2009 Camaro concept

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MikeMike

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Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
They've been floating that concept around for about 5-6 years now and haven't built it yet. By the time they get around to building it the whole retro thing will be over. Another good move by GM. Keep up the good work guys...morons :roll:

GM should change their mission statement to "A day late and a dollar short."

how are they a day late? they will be releasing it with the challenger...

im assuming the mustang will be being redesigned, or face lifted for that year as well.


you know how the original muscle cars were released??

o yea, mustang, then challenger, then camaro.

the camaro made it longer than the challenger, GM just didnt like the niche it had, as well as the TA and Camaro stole sales from each other.

Did you read anything I wrote? I said that these concept drawings have been floating around for a few years now. You don't usually release concept drawings and then build the car 10 years later. How long did it take Ford to go from concept to production with the new Mustang a couple years, at most? That car is a huge success. You can always tell a success by the rebates offered. To date they haven't offered any rebates on the new Mustang. Not the GT anyway.

You're confusing the orange rendered car with the pics at the top of this thread. The rendering was made years ago. The new pictures are that of a clay mockup for the concept that were leaked just a few days ago. Domestic FTW!



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vs.

the ones posted in the first post ARE NOT the same, thats some 18 year olds rendering.
 

AdamK47

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Right, the orange rendering wasn't even designed by GM. It was made by someone long ago to show what a 5th Gen may look like.
 

MikeMike

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First.....thank you Jason [Debler] and Chris [Frezza] for 'doing the right thing"........you could have increased your web traffic by a huge margin yesterday, but you once again have proved to many many people that you are --both of you-- a class act. I'm truly grateful.

To my fellow enthusiasts. I think I'm pleased, for the most part, as to the comments I'm hearing. Yes, there will always be a few that have harsh words....that's to be expected. I still look forward with great relish to watching the faces and expressions of my fellow enthusiasts as they see the concept in person for the first time....(you have no idea of how much I look forward to it.......)

Now.........why am I upset? (let's forget the Corp. position for a moment, shall we?)

How many times have you met someone......and your first impression was "Well, if he/she wasn't

>all sweaty/dressed poorly/bad-hair-day/20 pounds overweight/bad mood/ --insert anything bad here -- <

...........he/she would be a knockout...........

See what I mean? First impressions are oh-so important. We did not get the chance to control a first impression. The pictures you saw are obviously not of a finished product.

WE won't go into the financial impact this will have on GM....but suffice to say it will.

We do want your input.......but there's a proper way to get that. Your input, believe it or not, has been somewhat compromised in that, again, you did not see a finished product.

Moreover, it started a firestorm of controversy on several sites..and people started flinging insults back and forth.....and in a few cases, some close friends were summarily flamed beyond recognition. Because of someones' (that's plural, by the way) poor judgement, people are now mad at each other. That is even MORE unfortunate.

So........yup.......I am beyond angry at the GM or contract employee that allowed these photos to be posted. I suppose I will eventually lose some of my anger at a few webmasters that also played a part in this scenario.

All that said..........I hope you like what you saw. It is not the finished concept...and moreover, you can never adequately or fairly judge a product by a picture......esp. one like you saw. I hope that each of you will get to see the concept in person as it tours the country to several autoshows and events.......and that you are even more excited and enthused.

I hope that there's a lot of good that comes from this unfortunate experience......and that now, most, if not all of you can plainly see that 'The Future Indeed Looks Bright!"

Camaro brand manager on CamaroZ28.com

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414197
 

AdamK47

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
First.....thank you Jason [Debler] and Chris [Frezza] for 'doing the right thing"........you could have increased your web traffic by a huge margin yesterday, but you once again have proved to many many people that you are --both of you-- a class act. I'm truly grateful.

To my fellow enthusiasts. I think I'm pleased, for the most part, as to the comments I'm hearing. Yes, there will always be a few that have harsh words....that's to be expected. I still look forward with great relish to watching the faces and expressions of my fellow enthusiasts as they see the concept in person for the first time....(you have no idea of how much I look forward to it.......)

Now.........why am I upset? (let's forget the Corp. position for a moment, shall we?)

How many times have you met someone......and your first impression was "Well, if he/she wasn't

>all sweaty/dressed poorly/bad-hair-day/20 pounds overweight/bad mood/ --insert anything bad here -- <

...........he/she would be a knockout...........

See what I mean? First impressions are oh-so important. We did not get the chance to control a first impression. The pictures you saw are obviously not of a finished product.

WE won't go into the financial impact this will have on GM....but suffice to say it will.

We do want your input.......but there's a proper way to get that. Your input, believe it or not, has been somewhat compromised in that, again, you did not see a finished product.

Moreover, it started a firestorm of controversy on several sites..and people started flinging insults back and forth.....and in a few cases, some close friends were summarily flamed beyond recognition. Because of someones' (that's plural, by the way) poor judgement, people are now mad at each other. That is even MORE unfortunate.

So........yup.......I am beyond angry at the GM or contract employee that allowed these photos to be posted. I suppose I will eventually lose some of my anger at a few webmasters that also played a part in this scenario.

All that said..........I hope you like what you saw. It is not the finished concept...and moreover, you can never adequately or fairly judge a product by a picture......esp. one like you saw. I hope that each of you will get to see the concept in person as it tours the country to several autoshows and events.......and that you are even more excited and enthused.

I hope that there's a lot of good that comes from this unfortunate experience......and that now, most, if not all of you can plainly see that 'The Future Indeed Looks Bright!"

Camaro brand manager on CamaroZ28.com

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414197

You beat me to the punch. I was just going to post this.
 

AdamK47

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Oct 9, 1999
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He also posted this in another thread that pretty much sums up his feeling about Camaro.

"thank you all for the kind words.

It's been tough over the years....knowing that the 4th gen would be put to pasture....that a plant would be closed........and worse, I couldn't say much of anything to you other than "keep the faith."

I think what most people don't realize is that when I said "keep the faith" there was credibility attached to that statement. If I said that.....and nothing ever happened, I'm sure that at some point in time, there would be a posse in my front yard........with a rope....and burning torches........(and you get the idea) Therefore, I started with the "Read my book"........

I can honestly say -- as I have been for quite some time -- that the future, INDEED looks very bright.

AS to the Mustang helping the Camaro along.......you betcha. Would we have done a Camaro anyway? Well.....who knows.......but I can tell you that there are dealers like my friends:
Greg Heinrich (Fairway Chevy)
Darrell McCutcheon (Reliable Chevy)
Matt Berger (Berger Chevy)
Tom Henry (Tom Henry Chevrolet)
Steve West (West Chevy)
Bill Heard (Bill Heard Dealerships)
Rollie Purifoy (Purifoy Chevy)
Jeff Cauley (Jack Cauley Chevy)
John Rampone (Ramp Chevrolet)
George Moore (Geo Moore Chevy)

and even Jim Perkins.....former VP of GM and General Manager of Chevrolet Motor Division who is now retired and working for the Hendrick organization...and their many Chevy Dealerships.............
......Every time......and I DO MEAN EVERYTIME they had an audience with the top men and women at GM, the Camaro issue came up. They demanded a new Camaro. You can bet that the hiatus of the Camaro affected these dealers in more than one way. First...they all have a passion for the Camaro......moreover, they sold a LOT of Camaros.....and when Camaro went away...so did some profit!

(a tidbit....I was visiting one of the Bill Heard Dealerships back in late 2001.....they had over 130 new Camaros in stock...and were gonna order more.....and Bill's son came out to see me and said "Mr. Settlemire...if you continue to build the Camaro, our 24 dealerships will buy every one of them!" (Talk about "Hard to say 'no' to someone!) But it was not possible to keep the car in production for several reasons.)

In a way, the past couple of years have been hell.
I knew it would be.

I suppose that I could have transferred over to other Brands (turned a couple of jobs down)......but I chose to ride the Camaro out to the end.

Do I regret it?

NO.

Was it painful?
Boy Howdy.

Did I leave the office on many a night so depressed and defeated that I sometimes questioned if I was sane?

Yep.

But you know what?

I wouldn't change what I did.

When you love something that invokes a passion.....you do what you have to do.

Moreover, every time I meet one of you...
........and you tell me about your Camaro (or Firebird) and I see that certain 'gleam' in your eyes....and the passion you show for these cars........I know it was the right thing to do.

I don't mean to imply that I'm the only one that felt that way.....far from it. I know John Heinricy for one felt just as bad as I about the cars going on hiatus........and many many more just like him. I guess my sorry face is just a little more visible than most...............

I know many of you can hardly wait for January 9.

Well guess what?

I can hardly wait as well......because I want to see the expressions on some faces......

......and I want to be around in 25 years when people say "remember wayyyyyyyy back in January of 06 when we first saw that great concept???"

Again.....thank you for the kind words.........

MORE IMPORTANTLY....to many of you.......

THANK YOU.......

........for 'keeping the faith!"

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413391
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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Well, it will be interesting to see what the car looks like in person. If they do it right it should be a success.

Hopefully, they won't release 3 different versions like the Firebird/Camaro/Trans-Am. Keep it simple stupid.
 

enyce2k9

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were not even in 2006 yet how they confirmed a car from 2009? only thing confirmed to 2009 is my username...
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: enyce2k9
were not even in 2006 yet how they confirmed a car from 2009? only thing confirmed to 2009 is my username...

the only thing that's confirmed is that its an actual GM concept
 

OCNewbie

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/drooooollll Looks sweet.

Wonder if they'll stick with a solid rear axle, or go with 4 wheel independent this time, assuming it would have to stick with RWD.
 

misterj

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yikes. not liking the retro styling. then again, i don't like the looks of classics/muscle cars. if they feel they can profit from a retro audience, then by all means. it just seems to me you don't see other sports cars or exotics trying to go retro. maybe it's just domestic american?
 
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