2010-2011 TV Death Watch

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sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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i'm watching nikita. surprisingly not bad considering its on CW

Allow me to quote Gregg Easterbrook:

Anyone can produce a television show that is mainly nonsense: As James Parker of The Atlantic has noted, to produce a TV show that consists entirely of nonsense is an art form. The latest variant of Nikita rises to the level of nothing but nonsense: There are no scenes that make sense. So by Parker's standard, the latest Nikita is art. But like a lot of art, it's really bad. Five episodes have aired, and TMQ needs to get his points in before the cancellation.

"Nikita" is a remake of the 1997 television series, itself a remake of the 1990 movie. Doesn't more time need to pass before a TV series can be remade? By this standard a "Friends" remake is already overdue. Nikita is locked in struggle with An Agency Far, Far More Secret Than the CIA. Whenever An Agency Far, Far More Secret Than the CIA shows up in movies or TV, my first thought is that the agency budget would have to be many billions of dollars: Where does its budget come from? The latest Agency Far, Far More Secret Than the CIA is depicted as near-omniscient, yet cannot locate Nikita even though she lives in a palatial apartment and constantly uses cell phones and the Internet.

In the pilot, Nikita, this time played by Maggie Q, effortlessly beats into unconsciousness two huge men with guns -- Maggie Q might weigh 110 pounds -- and doesn't even muss her clothes. She breaks a dead-bolted hotel door with a single kick, shattering the hinges, then kicks a huge man, causing him to go flying backward and smash into a wall unconscious. One doubts even a martial-arts champion could do either thing.

Nikita depicts its heroine killing bad guys by throwing knives. In one scene, a steak knife thrown into a huge bad guy's chest causes him to fall dead instantaneously. Even if a steak knife could be thrown into the center of the chest (unlikely -- the sternum is pretty strong), a person wouldn't just fall dead: he would struggle, try to clamp the wound and so on. In Nikita, he falls instantly dead. The flick "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" offered a lengthy sequence in which Angelina Jolie throws steak knives into the chests of numerous huge men, resulting in instant death every time. And in that movie the huge men are wearing body armor -- the steak knives go through their bulletproof vests, then through their sternums and are still moving with enough force to cause instant death. That's some throw, considering Jolie weighs maybe 120 pounds. Obviously "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" contained nothing but nonsense. Can't physical reality at least be depicted accurately? At the end of the scene, Jolie accidentally hits Brad Pitt with one of the knives. He is unharmed and doesn't even bleed --- though the same knives caused instant death to everyone else.

Nikita has also featured a scene increasingly presented in nonsense cinema -- she causes instant death to a huge guy by twisting his head. In the Fox show "Fringe," in the Arnold Schwarzenegger flick "Commando" and in other Hollywood offerings, regular people who don't have any superpowers cause instant death by twisting someone's head. Is this possible? And wouldn't the person whose head is being twisted -- what's the word I am looking for -- resist?

In my favorite scene, Nikita stops bullets fired at her from point-blank range by holding up a plastic beach chair. Secret agencies need people with these skills!
 

Jeraden

Platinum Member
Oct 9, 1999
2,518
1
76
Guy seems to be nitpicking a lot. You could rip holes in pretty much any tv show for lack of realism if you wanted.
 

Vette73

Lifer
Jul 5, 2000
21,503
9
0
NBC Cancels New Legal Drama 'Outlaw'

NBC today pulled the plug on legal drama Outlaw after putting the freshman series on a production hiatus last week. Starting this Friday, NBC will air a second hour of newsmagazine Dateline in Outlaw's Friday 10 PM slot. NBC has been airing 2-hour Dateline from 8-10 PM, leading into Outlaw. This Friday, the network will premiere new reality series School Pride, which will be followed by a 2-hour Dateline. The remaining 4 original episodes of Outlaw will air Saturdays at 8 PM with the exception of Halloween night, Saturday Oct. 30 when NBC has a Shrek special already scheduled. The Jimmy Smits-starring Outlaw never found its footing on Fridays. In its do-or-die airing this past week, it was only able to matched its underwhelming 1.0 rating in adults 18-49 from last week and drew 4.2 million viewers, down 11% from last week. On the other hand, Outlaw's lead-in, a two-hour Dateline (1.6/6) spiked 23% from last week, which probably helped NBC brass' decision to stick with a 2-hour Dateline on the nigh


So outlaws leadin was 2 straight hours of Dateline. No whonder no one watched outlaw. Hell the only worse lead in would be a Jay Leno show.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
30,859
4,976
126
The only show I had any hope in was Running Wilde. And it failed miserably. I tried to like it... but it's a flop.

No new drama even peaked my interest.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,419
1,599
126
sorry I've done a piss poor job of maintaining the OP, I'll try to be more relevant
 

Ryland

Platinum Member
Aug 9, 2001
2,810
13
81
I can see The Event being canned. I have only seen the first episode of Chuck for the season and it looked pretty good. Unsure about Stargate Universe being canned.
 

techs

Lifer
Sep 26, 2000
28,559
4
0
ABC, CBS and NBC cancel entire season.

Said a spokesman for the networks:
"Let's face it. We make crappy shows. It's time to nuke it from orbit and start again"


Amen, brother.
 

CallMeJoe

Diamond Member
Jul 30, 2004
6,938
5
81
Regardless of lead-in, Outlaw never stood much of a chance. There just aren't enough hard-core Jimmy Smits fans to carry a show built on that absurd a premise.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
64,609
12,971
146
Regardless of lead-in, Outlaw never stood much of a chance. There just aren't enough hard-core Jimmy Smits fans to carry a show built on that absurd a premise.

Agreed. The concept of a Hispanic Supreme Court judge is absurd enough on its own... (almost as absurd as the concept of a Black president in The Event) but a Justice who would willingly quit such a job to "right the wrongs of the justice system" is even more absurd.

I've watched a couple of episodes...not impressed...and not sad to see it die.
 

coolVariable

Diamond Member
May 18, 2001
3,724
0
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Agreed. The concept of a Hispanic Supreme Court judge is absurd enough on its own... (almost as absurd as the concept of a Black president in The Event) but a Justice who would willingly quit such a job to "right the wrongs of the justice system" is even more absurd.

I've watched a couple of episodes...not impressed...and not sad to see it die.

Outsourced is actually really funny.
Diedrich Bader is hilarious! (http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm0046033/)
Pippa Black is HOT! (http://pro.imdb.com/name/nm1569147/)
And it has some really funny moments!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,285
30,303
146
What's with this recent standard of dividing a regular season into 2 seasons now? It has become fall = one season, winter/spring = 2nd season. Is this contractual fallout from the writer's strike? Is it some marketing scam? Is it some way for the networks to strangle these shows into oblivion while they make contract decisions between these half-seasons?

I bitch b/c Mad Men's "final episode of the season" is apparently next week.
 

rcpratt

Lifer
Jul 2, 2009
10,433
110
116
What's with this recent standard of dividing a regular season into 2 seasons now? It has become fall = one season, winter/spring = 2nd season. Is this contractual fallout from the writer's strike? Is it some marketing scam? Is it some way for the networks to strangle these shows into oblivion while they make contract decisions between these half-seasons?

I bitch b/c Mad Men's "final episode of the season" is apparently next week.
Mad Men looks like it's on a short midsummer to fall season, kind of like entourage except a little later (this year). I don't think it will be starting up again until next July...
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
46,629
10,041
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What's with this recent standard of dividing a regular season into 2 seasons now? It has become fall = one season, winter/spring = 2nd season. Is this contractual fallout from the writer's strike? Is it some marketing scam? Is it some way for the networks to strangle these shows into oblivion while they make contract decisions between these half-seasons?

I bitch b/c Mad Men's "final episode of the season" is apparently next week.

One reason it that a season's worth of episodes has fallen from ~36 to ~22. They don't want to shoot their whole load and have nothing left. That's as looooong time to have no first run programming.

Another, more hidden reason would be quality control. Split seasons give the writers more time to come up with quality scripts. In the "good old" days, a truly quality script hardly seemed to matter. Now, on shows like Mad Men, it really, really does.

Associated with the above, shows like Mad Men and Breaking Bad are the brain children of one or two creators and a small coterie of associated writers. Again, not like the old network days when they could and would throw an army of contract writers at a show.
 
Sep 12, 2004
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Hopefully "The Defenders", "Raising Hope", and "No Ordinary Family" make it through. Probably THE highlight shows this season.
I really, really wanted to like No Ordinary Family but I stopped DVRing the series last night. Virtually none of the characters are likeable or even remotely compelling, the storyline is boring, cliche, and far too focused on overtly emo teen angstiness that is highly offputting, and the show seems to drag. A live actor adapatation of the Incredibles was an interesting premise but, imo, that premise isn't going to take the show very far unless the writing, pacing, and plots improve drastically.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,315
5,886
126
*crosses fingers* Please let SyFy cancel SGU . . .

If they do, I wonder if it will be the end of the SG series? I suspect it would be, which makes me not want to see U canceled despite its' rather poor quality in comparison to SG1/Atlantis. On its' own it's not that bad of a show. I prefer they keep it until they can find a new angle to make a new and improved SG series.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
64,609
12,971
146
I'll be disappointed if Detroit 1-8-7 gets canceled.

NO, it's not GREAT television, but IMO, it's getting at least slightly better. The characters are finally starting to develop as is the relationships between them.

Of course, like most TV cop shows, the "bad guys" confess too quickly and easily...the cops are too "super" at catching the bad guys, and the plots are too predictable...but it's still 1000X better than any of the reality shows on the tube...
 

rcpratt

Lifer
Jul 2, 2009
10,433
110
116
I don't see Detroit 1-8-7 being cancelled...the ratings have actually been pretty good. It's not great, but I'll continue to watch it because it's good enough. And I like seeing the landmarks. Although I could do without the one annoying Detroit insult each episode.
 

PhoKingGuy

Diamond Member
Nov 15, 2007
4,685
0
76
I'll be disappointed if Detroit 1-8-7 gets canceled.

NO, it's not GREAT television, but IMO, it's getting at least slightly better. The characters are finally starting to develop as is the relationships between them.

Of course, like most TV cop shows, the "bad guys" confess too quickly and easily...the cops are too "super" at catching the bad guys, and the plots are too predictable...but it's still 1000X better than any of the reality shows on the tube...

I think 5-O and 187 are the two best of the new shows, everything else blows.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,285
30,303
146
I'll be disappointed if Detroit 1-8-7 gets canceled.

NO, it's not GREAT television, but IMO, it's getting at least slightly better. The characters are finally starting to develop as is the relationships between them.

Of course, like most TV cop shows, the "bad guys" confess too quickly and easily...the cops are too "super" at catching the bad guys, and the plots are too predictable...but it's still 1000X better than any of the reality shows on the tube...

I really liked Southland last year, or whenever that was. Just enough interesting, ridiculous but not over-the-top cases. Some real humanity. But you could tell it was started to get into the melodrama heavily.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,285
30,303
146
Mad Men looks like it's on a short midsummer to fall season, kind of like entourage except a little later (this year). I don't think it will be starting up again until next July...

July?!! D:

Fuckers better bring back P&R NAO! to mollify me!
 

Zargon

Lifer
Nov 3, 2009
12,218
2
76
5-0 isnt going anywhere, its getting great #'s and set a 7 day dvr record.

I enjoy it as empty good action with OK copwork and sharon looking hot

I em enjoying Outsourced so far as well. My wife likes shit my dad says, so I watch that too

Terriers seems like it has promise but I cant get around to watching it.

Chase, Undercovers, and The Defenders are close to me stopping even DVR'ing them.

I still do 2 1/2 men, HIMYM, Castle, House, Lie to Me, Mentalist, and Bones.

Bones needs to fix its shit, its really lacking this season. Chuck and Fringe are on my DVR and I havent gotten around to them yet, need a minimarathon soon.

I have that Todd Margaret show dl'd cuz I dont get IFC, but apparantly it kinda sucks?
 
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