2010 Macbook Pro Bootcamp overheat?

hypeMarked

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Hi all, I wanted to install Win7 on my 2010 mbp to play games but I read around and people are reporting mbp overheating in Win7 when playing games. Is this still a problem in the newest mbp? The reason I am asking is that most posts are in 2008/09.
 

secretanchitman

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osx has really good power/fan management compared to windows on a macbook pro. also, you will only run on the geforce 330M and not have the intel gpu to switch off to, so the fans will definitely be spinning a lot more.

its not absolutely terrible by any means - the drivers in windows arent as optimized as the ones in osx when it comes to power and fan management.
 

vbuggy

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Cooling is terrible on Macs - it's just one of those things. It hasn't really changed with the 2010 models. The best way to avoid overheating and the consequent stuttering/etc is to spin up the fans to max prior to doing anything strenuous, never use it lid-closed (even if you have an external monitor), and put it on a cooler or stand which allows for sufficient airflow under and around the machine. Putting airflow OVER the machine - across the keyboard - helps more than airflow under the machine, as would e.g. a 'traditional' underside-vented Windows notebook.

Many Appleist Dunning-Krugers make reference to aluminium being a good conductor of heat when talking about the unibody case, but the fact is that the MBP's casing no longer gets that hot, unlike the 2006-7 Macs which could easily reach 50C on certain areas of the case - and this is due to heat *not* being translated to the case. The Apples therefore rely on the fans quite a lot to move heat out of the system, and the fans don't work that well, all things considered , when compared with a performance Windows machine.

So helping it along with the above steps will allow your Mac to stay cooler.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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Cooling is terrible on Macs - it's just one of those things. It hasn't really changed with the 2010 models. The best way to avoid overheating and the consequent stuttering/etc is to spin up the fans to max prior to doing anything strenuous, never use it lid-closed (even if you have an external monitor), and put it on a cooler or stand which allows for sufficient airflow under and around the machine. Putting airflow OVER the machine - across the keyboard - helps more than airflow under the machine, as would e.g. a 'traditional' underside-vented Windows notebook.

Many Appleist Dunning-Krugers make reference to aluminium being a good conductor of heat when talking about the unibody case, but the fact is that the MBP's casing no longer gets that hot, unlike the 2006-7 Macs which could easily reach 50C on certain areas of the case - and this is due to heat *not* being translated to the case. The Apples therefore rely on the fans quite a lot to move heat out of the system, and the fans don't work that well, all things considered , when compared with a performance Windows machine.

So helping it along with the above steps will allow your Mac to stay cooler.

I've never had any overheating problems on OS X when playing SC2 or WOW. Yeah my fans will go 100% and my casing will get hot (above the keyboard), but after I quit the program after a couple minutes, the fans will go back to the normal and the casing will go back to normal.
 

Emulex

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osx and the smc on newer macbooks are very aggressive at downclocking to prevent an overheat scenario. so much that my 1.6ghz macbook air is faster at long running tasks (bench,fold,etc) than the 2.13ghz model. plus that 1.6 can undervolt at 800/600 to .925v 100% solid to alleviate heat even further. the 2.13ghz will overheat quick and shutdown a core which you may not notice or may notice.

this is apparent in all of their products -their is the laws of physics and those cannot be broken. look at xbox360 or the ole nvidia chip on the DV hp laptops (reheat gun anyone?) - this is not happening to macbooks - why? the laws are the same - because they aggressively clock down to self preserve - which sucks.

bootcamp drivers everyone knows just don't work as good as osx. i think they do this on purpose to make your win7 experience suck butt on the mac. nothing works as well. i figure they do this on purpose to make you stick to the osx love. lol.
 

electroju

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It is a problem for any notebook computer. If you buy a fast processor for a small notebook like a 15 inch, it will over heat. Thin notebooks are not good for heat sensitive devices unless they are using the chassis of the notebook for cooling. If you only have a 15 inch Macbook Pro, playing games on it will be limited. The 17 inch model will be better. To keep the load low, set quality setting in games to low.

If people say that bootcamp software does not work well in Windows, they do not know how Windows works. Windows works with ACPI and the BIOS to handle the temperature of the processor and other tasks. Windows does not support EFI BIOS well as Mac OS X. Though I think bootcamp for Windows 7 is still new since it came out in January of this year (2010).

Another thing to think about Windows 7 uses a lot more memory than Mac OS X, so Windows will be using more resources. If it is using more resources, expect the heat output be more.
 

vbuggy

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It is a problem for any notebook computer. If you buy a fast processor for a small notebook like a 15 inch, it will over heat. Thin notebooks are not good for heat sensitive devices unless they are using the chassis of the notebook for cooling. If you only have a 15 inch Macbook Pro, playing games on it will be limited. The 17 inch model will be better. To keep the load low, set quality setting in games to low.

If people say that bootcamp software does not work well in Windows, they do not know how Windows works. Windows works with ACPI and the BIOS to handle the temperature of the processor and other tasks. Windows does not support EFI BIOS well as Mac OS X. Though I think bootcamp for Windows 7 is still new since it came out in January of this year (2010).

Another thing to think about Windows 7 uses a lot more memory than Mac OS X, so Windows will be using more resources. If it is using more resources, expect the heat output be more.

One does wonder which fetid crevice you fished this all out from.

People do more in Windows on a Mac in terms of load, because ironically and somewhat laughably given the various issues involved in a Boot Camped scenario on a Mac, they're most likely doing the most heavy lifting in terms of application load in Windows - and more often than not, they're running a variety of shiny low-impact apps under OS X and therefore much less likely to come up against thermal issues, even on a computer with particlarly crap cooling. Few people run Windows on a Mac to crank up Internet Explorer.

And I can assure you the situation is not really any better on the 17-inch. They're what I use.
 

hypeMarked

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The reason why I asked in the first place is that I want to use BootCamp for games like 2-4 hours per session and OSX for everything else. I was just worried that BootCamp + win7 will overheat and destroy the MBP. What do you guys think?
 

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The reason why I asked in the first place is that I want to use BootCamp for games like 2-4 hours per session and OSX for everything else. I was just worried that BootCamp + win7 will overheat and destroy the MBP. What do you guys think?

It will possibly sound like it is overheating, but that is just because the BootCamp drivers don't have good fan control, so it basically just runs at 100% all the time. I don't think you will have any problems.
 

cre8chaos

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Is there a fan control that will work on it under Win7? I ran F@H on my 15" 2.16 for 2 months straight for a points challenge so 2-4 hours a day will not hurt IMO but the 100&#37; fans will drive you nuts.
 

vbuggy

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The reason why I asked in the first place is that I want to use BootCamp for games like 2-4 hours per session and OSX for everything else. I was just worried that BootCamp + win7 will overheat and destroy the MBP. What do you guys think?

As I said, give it enough airflow / contact cooling in the right places and you should still be within the maximum tolerable case (CPU case that is) temps - although it'll go way closer to the max than most other notebooks, 'pro' (ha) or otherwise.
 

electroju

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One does wonder which fetid crevice you fished this all out from.

People do more in Windows on a Mac in terms of load, because ironically and somewhat laughably given the various issues involved in a Boot Camped scenario on a Mac, they're most likely doing the most heavy lifting in terms of application load in Windows - and more often than not, they're running a variety of shiny low-impact apps under OS X and therefore much less likely to come up against thermal issues, even on a computer with particlarly crap cooling. Few people run Windows on a Mac to crank up Internet Explorer.

And I can assure you the situation is not really any better on the 17-inch. They're what I use.
This did not come from my ass. It came from experience that a small space to cool any device that produces a lot heat will have problems. I am just stating picking the slower processor for the 15 and 17 inch inch models will be better than picking a faster processor if you care for heat.

You miss my point about fan control in Windows. Again it is controlled by ACPI and not by Windows. Windows just controls when to put the monitor in stand-by, spin down the hard drive, enable power management for WiFi, and how it should handle sleep or hibernation by closing the lid and/or through a button. Fan control is not an option. The advice that Windows users gets for fan control is update the BIOS and use 3rd party utilities to control the power management.
 
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