2011 Camaro Convertible finally revealed

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Too plain looking. Most of GM's lineup is awfully boring. Even the vette got boring after a while.
The Camaro is plain looking? Compared to what? The Camaro is still as gorgeous as the day the concept was unveiled. Shame it isn't a little lighter on it's feet, but still.
 

Jdawg84

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The Camaro is plain looking? Compared to what? The Camaro is still as gorgeous as the day the concept was unveiled. Shame it isn't a little lighter on it's feet, but still.

Since when did the camaro become good looking? It can't even hold a candle to how amazing the Challenger looks.
 

IcePickFreak

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I don't understand why anyone would buy a pig of a car like this? I believe the V6 Camaro weighs 3700lbs and the SS weighs close to 3900lbs. Why would you want a car with such weight? The Vette doesn't have this issue and comes in at a beautiful 3200lbs.

New mustang is sexier, lighter and faster anyway

Who knew a 2 seat sports coupe that costs over 50% more would be much lighter? Surely the lighter the material, the less it costs?? :\

And again, the Mustang chassis was designed for the ground up for the Mustang. The Camaro is a modified sedan chassis. Mustang GT is 3,600lbs and while that's a huge benefit to get it rolling quickly, it's not like it's 1,000lbs lighter. A bad driver in a Mustang is still going to loose to a half-way decent driver in a Camaro. I'm not particularly a Camaro fan either, but use a little common sense before you rant.

Go look at Chrysler for a real wtf. The Challenger is on the same chassis as the 4-door Charger and 300, and it weighs more than the Charger (and maybe the 300, not sure on that though.) That said, I like the looks of the Challenger the best out of the three.
 

Jdawg84

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Who knew a 2 seat sports coupe that costs over 50% more would be much lighter? Surely the lighter the material, the less it costs?? :\

And again, the Mustang chassis was designed for the ground up for the Mustang. The Camaro is a modified sedan chassis. Mustang GT is 3,600lbs and while that's a huge benefit to get it rolling quickly, it's not like it's 1,000lbs lighter. A bad driver in a Mustang is still going to loose to a half-way decent driver in a Camaro. I'm not particularly a Camaro fan either, but use a little common sense before you rant.

Go look at Chrysler for a real wtf. The Challenger is on the same chassis as the 4-door Charger and 300, and it weighs more than the Charger (and maybe the 300, not sure on that though.) That said, I like the looks of the Challenger the best out of the three.

Not sure where you're getting 50% more for a Corvette. Kerbeck chevrolet on the east coast sells new 2011 corvette coupe's for 43K. You can option out a SS to over 40K so whats the real point in buying a camaro unless you really need a 4 seater?

Challenger, Charger and 300 all were based off an old MB E Class chassis so i understand why they're heavy.
 

Bignate603

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Fanboi :biggrin:

Only one would take a slower car that costs more.

Not everybody is an internet benchtop racer. The vast majority of people that buy these cars will never take it to the track. The most demanding use that your average camaro or mustang sees is cruising moderately fast down a back road or giving it some gas on an onramp. For these type of drivers the driving feel and look of the car matter more than lap times. People prefer different driving feel and different looks and that often can (and should) affect their purchasing decision more than what some professional driver can wring out of the car.

Jdawg84 said:
I don't understand why anyone would buy a pig of a car like this? I believe the V6 Camaro weighs 3700lbs and the SS weighs close to 3900lbs. Why would you want a car with such weight? The Vette doesn't have this issue and comes in at a beautiful 3200lbs.

You're comparing a car with a backseat and a base MSRP of around $23k to one that's a two seater, has a body made of fiberglass, and a base price of $49k?

Jdawg84 said:
New mustang is sexier, lighter and faster anyway

And there are a ridiculous amount of them out on the road. While there are some very mild visual changes the new one looks almost exactly like the one they've been producing for years. There are plenty of people that want their car to be more noticeable, if yours look just like the million that are already out on the road it's pretty much impossible to do.

Personally, I think the mustang is a great car but if you don't realize that people buy these type of cars for something other than lap times or curb weight you're sorely out of touch with reality.
 

exdeath

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And there are a ridiculous amount of them out on the road. While there are some very mild visual changes the new one looks almost exactly like the one they've been producing for years. There are plenty of people that want their car to be more noticeable, if yours look just like the million that are already out on the road it's pretty much impossible to do.

Personally, I think the mustang is a great car but if you don't realize that people buy these type of cars for something other than lap times or curb weight you're sorely out of touch with reality.

If you can't beat em, join em Pretty retarded reason to desire a lesser car specifically because someone else has the other car.

Do you stick with your original XBox or PS1 because "everybody has 360s these days" ?

Fast is fast. Even most cars that are fast AND different all have LS1 swaps in them anyway, zomg same thing as everyone else!
 

Bignate603

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If you can't beat em, join em Pretty retarded reason to desire a lesser car specifically because someone else has the other car.

Do you stick with your original XBox or PS1 because "everybody has 360s these days" ?

Fast is fast. Even most cars that are fast AND different all have LS1 swaps in them anyway, zomg same thing as everyone else!

I hate to break it to you, but many people buy these cars as a fashion accessory. How it looks can matter as much if not more than its outright performance. So yes, there are plenty of people that won't like a car just because everybody else already has one.

And "lessor" is all subjective. If the performance is better but they hate how it looks they aren't going to buy it. Like I've said repeatedly, people buy these cars based off personal preference and outright performance is only part of it. What people like and dislike about different cars can't be wrapped up into a list of numbers.
 
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exdeath

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It's a Camaro. It's going to be a giant pile of shit under a nice looking body.

I always thought the opposite, great mechanicals underneath, but a subjective catfish body you either love or hate. Now it has a great body too.

If you're worried about what's under the hood, you must be new to the car world.
 

IcePickFreak

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Not sure where you're getting 50% more for a Corvette. Kerbeck chevrolet on the east coast sells new 2011 corvette coupe's for 43K. You can option out a SS to over 40K so whats the real point in buying a camaro unless you really need a 4 seater?

Challenger, Charger and 300 all were based off an old MB E Class chassis so i understand why they're heavy.

I was going off of MSRP pricing for a base Vette vs a 1SS - you can load a Camaro up with 10K+ worth of options if you want. I hear where you're coming from, but not everybody who wants a rwd v8 powered car wants a vette either. Kinda like how some guys will have more money tied up in a 49 Mercury then they could of bought a new Mustang or something for. I'm not going to complain though if companies want to sell a 400+hp rwd coupes for around 30k though lol, 10 years ago you couldn't find that.
 

Kirby

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I always thought the opposite, great mechanicals underneath, but a subjective catfish body you either love or hate.

I always thought the opposite, great mechanicals underneath, but a subjective catfish body you either love or hate. Now it has a great body too.

If you're worried about what's under the hood, you must be new to the car world.

Alzheimers FTW!


I haven't liked the Camaro's styling since the first generation. 1970 and later rub me the wrong way.

I'd commit a few homoeroctic acts, illegal in several states, for 69 ZL1 though. :fap:
 

zerocool84

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You're comparing a car with a backseat and a base MSRP of around $23k to one that's a two seater, has a body made of fiberglass, and a base price of $49k?

He obviously has a mental deficiency. Also it's only 2mpg less than the brand new Mustang V6. Not that big of a difference.
 
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Throckmorton

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I don't know about you haters, but Mustangs don't turn my head, yet Camaros still do. Oh wait, you probably do stare at them, all the while muttering about how it's 200lb heavier than the Mustang. You don't even notice the tears welling up in the eyes of your 200lb passenger.
 

LTC8K6

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The Mustang GT convertible weighs ~100 pounds less than the Camaro SS coupe...
 

SearchMaster

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I've never been a big fan of the styling of Camaros, but the new gen is hot to me for whatever reason. I love the latest style of Vette also.

*shrug*
 

IcePickFreak

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I think we've made a major discovery here - different people have different tastes! :\

In this day and age I'm just happy we can sit here and argue which 400+hp V8 powered rwd coupe - Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger no less - that we like best and which are "total crap." I'm sure this has never happened before.
 

Throckmorton

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How much stronger are the unibodies of these new heavy cars? Will they last longer than the 90s cars that are sagging and falling apart now?
 

zerocool84

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I find that sad.

11 Mustang GT Coupe: 3605lbs
11 Mustang GT Vert : 3720lbs

lol

You are funny. The Mustang FINALLY caught up to the Camaro. It got spanked in the 90/00's by the Camaro and was getting spanked again until Ford finally manned up for once and gave the Stang some decent power compared to a Camaro. It took them long enough. Also the new Camaro looks INFINITELY better than the Stang.
 

c3p0

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You are funny. The Mustang FINALLY caught up to the Camaro. It got spanked in the 90/00's by the Camaro and was getting spanked again until Ford finally manned up for once and gave the Stang some decent power compared to a Camaro. It took them long enough. Also the new Camaro looks INFINITELY better than the Stang.

To me, looks are totally subjective. And why is it so important that it took the Mustang soooo long to catch up? The bottom line to me is they did catch up, and in some areas passed their competition. Personally, I'm thrilled that Ford, Chevy and Dodge are making some pretty decent cars these days.

c3p0
 

arcenite

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There's more to a car than power/weight ratio and handling. Believe it or not, it does matter to some people (Me!) how common the car is, but that's besides the point. Back seat space is a huge deal. In the stangs, you need to be pretty tiny to be comfortably behind someone who is of average height. A coworker of mine recently bought a Challenger, knowing that it is the slowest of the modern muscle cars, because he actually fit it in comfortably!

Also, in the used world, the Fords tend to hold their resale better. A few years ago I was hunting for a muscle car; 06 GTO vs 07 Mustang. The GTO was 3k cheaper and was way more comfortable.

Point is, it's different strokes for different folks. Those who say Camaros are slow and handle like shit, don't be surprised when someone blows by you in one because they bought it just to throw people like yourself off, and spend 10...20...30...40k on upgrades. Dang I wish I had that kind of money.
 

LTC8K6

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There's more to a car than power/weight ratio and handling. Believe it or not, it does matter to some people (Me!) how common the car is, but that's besides the point. Back seat space is a huge deal. In the stangs, you need to be pretty tiny to be comfortably behind someone who is of average height. A coworker of mine recently bought a Challenger, knowing that it is the slowest of the modern muscle cars, because he actually fit it in comfortably!

Also, in the used world, the Fords tend to hold their resale better. A few years ago I was hunting for a muscle car; 06 GTO vs 07 Mustang. The GTO was 3k cheaper and was way more comfortable.

Point is, it's different strokes for different folks. Those who say Camaros are slow and handle like shit, don't be surprised when someone blows by you in one because they bought it just to throw people like yourself off, and spend 10...20...30...40k on upgrades. Dang I wish I had that kind of money.

Yes, because they somehow know the car they are trying to "throw off" hasn't also bumped it up...
 
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