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PlasmaBomb

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this article says med/high tire wear:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/events/turkish-grand-prix/

i expect the site to be filled out as race day approaches, like this:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/events/ubs-chinese-grand-prix-2/

Excellent, thanks.

I wonder how the new Pirelli's will cope with turn 8 -

The double-apex left-hander’s extreme loads sometimes affected tyre strategy when grooved rubber was still being used, but slicks – reintroduced in 2009 – proved more resistant to its demands.
 
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US tv times:

all times edt
practice 3: 4 am, saturday, speedtv.com
qualifying: 7 am, saturday, speed
race: 8 am, sunday, speed
 

RockinZ28

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Seriously wtf. Did the other races have commercials? I dled 1080i mkvs so maybe they were just edited, but i just watched this race on tv. Luckily recorded this morning on dvr so i could ff, but it was still annoying as hell.
 

LTC8K6

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The manufactured passing is beginning to bug me, as I thought it would.

Oh look, they're coming to the DRS area. Oh look, the guy behind blew right by the guy in front. What a surprise!

Oh look, this guy has the hard tires. Oh look, the guy with the soft tires blew right by him. Yet another surprise!

"Wow, that guy is driving very well to hold his position."
*****
Oh darn! DRS again.

Oh well, why bother trying to hold on to my position?

Might as well just move over and brake early...can't make any moves and can't do anything about DRS...

I'll just wave as the guy I have been holding off blows right by...

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The manufactured passing is beginning to bug me, as I thought it would.

Oh look, they're coming to the DRS area. Oh look, the guy behind blew right by the guy in front. What a surprise!

Oh look, this guy has the hard tires. Oh look, the guy with the soft tires blew right by him. Yet another surprise!

"Wow, that guy is driving very well to hold his position."
*****
Oh darn! DRS again.

Oh well, why bother trying to hold on to my position?

Might as well just move over and brake early...can't make any moves and can't do anything about DRS...

I'll just wave as the guy I have been holding off blows right by...

***

lots of fans are sharing your sentiments. the drs is a work in progress, and probably not even in its final form, so i'll give it time. i think they'll end up just allowing adjustable wings and calling it a day.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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The manufactured passing is beginning to bug me, as I thought it would.

Oh look, they're coming to the DRS area. Oh look, the guy behind blew right by the guy in front. What a surprise!

Oh look, this guy has the hard tires. Oh look, the guy with the soft tires blew right by him. Yet another surprise!

"Wow, that guy is driving very well to hold his position."
*****
Oh darn! DRS again.

Oh well, why bother trying to hold on to my position?

Might as well just move over and brake early...can't make any moves and can't do anything about DRS...

I'll just wave as the guy I have been holding off blows right by...

***

I don't agree. It's not as though the cars coming up behind are slower. You catch a guy, you have the faster car, but you just can't get past him without making a very risky move.

I thought the race today was yet another fantastic one. Good job Alonso getting on the podium. Someone has to upset the juggernaut that is Red Bull Racing.
 

LTC8K6

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Knowing in advance when and where the passes will occur, and who will be able to pass who, completely ruins the race for me. Might as well script the rest of it, too.
 
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Knowing in advance when and where the passes will occur, and who will be able to pass who, completely ruins the race for me. Might as well script the rest of it, too.

I don't agree that it's that predictable - the tire compounds, in particular, allow for some exciting passes that still require skill and aggression. DRS does create some fairly easy passing, but you still see situations where the guy using DRS fails to execute the pass. The bottom line from my perspective is that at least there IS passing, something that had become all too rare in modern F1.
 
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DivideBYZero

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Knowing in advance when and where the passes will occur, and who will be able to pass who, completely ruins the race for me. Might as well script the rest of it, too.
I don't agree, because if the driver in front is genuinely faster, then he'll be in the 1 second zone on the next lap and get to retake his place and keep swapping all race long, but this wasn't happening.

It's just another tactical advantage, just like KERS.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
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If the cars have similar lap times, a driver should be able to hold his position. When you give the following car a huge advantage at a certain spot, what's the point? A driver should be able to drive well, work hard, and keep his position.

If being a better driver than the guy behind you, doesn't allow you to hold the spot you've earned, then what does?

The Button/Hamilton battle would have been great had it been allowed to continue.

It's a shame, imo.
 

Timorous

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When cars have similar lap times they can hold position. The overtaking after the first stint was partly DRS but mostly tyre wear. I mean did you see the way massa caught rosberg up through turn 8 he would have nailed him with or without DRS because he had a massive grip advantage coming out of the turn 9/10 chicane.

Also the Alonso - Webber battle was great because Alonso made a good move early on to get past Webber but as the strategy played out and the fuel loads came down the maximum pace of the cars changed and Webber was able to retake his 2nd position.

What the DRS does do is stop the drivers from attempting marginal moves and taking themselves or competitors out because they know that if they concentrate and put in good laps they can overtake at some other point in the race. There have been 0 safety cars so far this season and very very few 1st lap collisions so the racing is defiantly at a higher standard.

I do think the DRS zone in Turkey was a touch too long though but it is something that the FIA will get to grips with so they can more accurately judge the length of the zone to make overtaking possible without being too easy if the car in front is of a similar pace.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
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When cars have similar lap times they can hold position. The overtaking after the first stint was partly DRS but mostly tyre wear. I mean did you see the way massa caught rosberg up through turn 8 he would have nailed him with or without DRS because he had a massive grip advantage coming out of the turn 9/10 chicane.

Also the Alonso - Webber battle was great because Alonso made a good move early on to get past Webber but as the strategy played out and the fuel loads came down the maximum pace of the cars changed and Webber was able to retake his 2nd position.

What the DRS does do is stop the drivers from attempting marginal moves and taking themselves or competitors out because they know that if they concentrate and put in good laps they can overtake at some other point in the race. There have been 0 safety cars so far this season and very very few 1st lap collisions so the racing is defiantly at a higher standard.

I do think the DRS zone in Turkey was a touch too long though but it is something that the FIA will get to grips with so they can more accurately judge the length of the zone to make overtaking possible without being too easy if the car in front is of a similar pace.

Yes, the different tires and the requirements to use both are also an attempt to manufacture passing.

Soon, they will figure out why passing is difficult, and then maybe we will finally get back to the wide open F1 we had before, with different cars, different engines, and different tire mfgs.

Then we will have proper passing. Then we will have cars come from the back by passing all the other cars on the track.

The intent was to save money, but that hasn't really happened, so there's no need to continue down the path of making the cars the same, imo. The teams with the money remain at the top of the heap, as usual.

Why not just call it "Push To Pass" like Indy car does? Next year the button will get you an extra 100 horses, just in case there was any doubt about the pass...
 
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LTC8K6

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I wonder if F1 is watching this "anti-interlocking" Indy car abomination we are about to be saddled with?

 
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it's that time (ok, a little late ) again:

US tv times (all times eastern)
practice 3: 5 am sat speedtv.com
qualifying: 8 am sat speed
race: 7:30 am sun speed
 
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