2012/2013 NHL Playoffs thread

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Me too, if you're wondering why I'm picking the Pens.

For those who don't know, Vegas inexplicably has the Penguins as very early favorites to win next year's Stanley Cup despite the pounding they received from the Bruins this year and other lackluster playoff performances.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/e...orites-for-2014-stanley-cup-blackhawks-second

Cause Vegas, NBC and the NHL can't get enough Penguin penis, so they have the odds makers favor them so their storyline for next year is already set. Nevermind they sold the farm to try to win this year and fail, and now they will have depth issues and a depleted minor league system. Ignore all that and embrace the penis.
 

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Hawks trade Frolik and Bolland.

I fear this might lead to an earlier exit than desired in next year's playoffs if the kids from the minors can't step up quickly.

But what can you do? They did sign Bickell.
 

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I can't believe he went for only a first round pick...a legit franchise goalie for a pick? Insane.

It is pretty crazy that they didn't get an NHL player as well.

What the hell is going on there in Vancouver? Word has it that Luongo is all messed up in the head about this.
 

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It is pretty crazy that they didn't get an NHL player as well.

What the hell is going on there in Vancouver? Word has it that Luongo is all messed up in the head about this.

I'm very confused. Why not just buy out Luongo's contract and keep Corey? There is zero chance of anyone picking up Luongo on a trade.
 

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Hawks trade Frolik and Bolland.

I fear this might lead to an earlier exit than desired in next year's playoffs if the kids from the minors can't step up quickly.

But what can you do? They did sign Bickell.

Bolland wasn't the second line center he needed to be and was ineffective (although hurt) during the regular season. Frolik was due to get more money after next year, and they could get value for him now.

That, and cap space. Always cap space.
 

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It is pretty crazy that they didn't get an NHL player as well.

What the hell is going on there in Vancouver? Word has it that Luongo is all messed up in the head about this.

It was a steal for sure, but now Devils fans have to anxiously wait for next offseason to see if he signs an extension.

And we badly need to re-sign some free agents and hopefully pick up a decent UFA forward.

I'm very confused. Why not just buy out Luongo's contract and keep Corey? There is zero chance of anyone picking up Luongo on a trade.

Maybe they didn't want to pay a very capable NHL goaltender $27 million to play for someone else.
 

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I'm not happy the Preds missed out on offense but all the experts say getting Seth Jones at 4 is a steal for the them. Time will tell I suppose.
 

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Sorry if I'm gloating, I've been browsing NHL pages for a bit.

From what I've seen:

Chicago's GM + (Chicago's past history/NHL winning percentage over that time period) > Vancouver's GM + all accumulated hockey knowledge
 

JujuFish

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I think the Sabres had a decent draft, but I really wish they would have taken a gamble on Nichushkin. We need elite potential on this team.
 

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I was glad to see that the Habs drafted bigger players this year after years of drafting smaller ones.

Michael
 

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I'm not happy the Preds missed out on offense but all the experts say getting Seth Jones at 4 is a steal for the them. Time will tell I suppose.
I saw Seth play many times this year (for our local Jr team, the Portland Winterhawks), and yes you should be excited He looks like a man amongst boys in the Jr league. I was shocked he dropped to #4.

Interesting note: He is the first African American to be a top-five pick in an NHL draft.

"We had Jones rated No. 1," said Predators general manager David Poile. "This is a franchise-type player."
Agreed!
 

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It was a steal for sure, but now Devils fans have to anxiously wait for next offseason to see if he signs an extension.

And we badly need to re-sign some free agents and hopefully pick up a decent UFA forward.

I don't really see it that way. They have him for two seasons, whatever happens after that happens.

Honestly, I think as long as Elias re-signs that's good enough for now. Kovy, Zajac, Elias, Henrique, Clarkson, Zubrus, Josefson, Tedenby, Ponikarovsky

That's actually a really good set of forwards if they play well. Someone pointed out that if you plug in Cory Schneider's career save pct. (or his save pct. last season, it's the same number) to the Devils' team stats last year, you end up with 27 fewer goals against and the team easily makes the playoffs.

Obviously that's not really a legitimate way to analyze his impact, but it's food for thought. I've played team sports for years, and it's amazing the impact that having a good goalie can have on the way the rest of the team plays.

When your goalie gives up a soft goal after you and your teammates have been working hard to limit chances and generate opportunities on offense, it's unbelieveably deflating, it's almost impossible to simply return to the same level of intensity. I don't want to excuse the crappy production the Devils' skaters had last year, but I have to believe that the awful goaltending played some role in it.
 

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Sorry if I'm gloating, I've been browsing NHL pages for a bit.

From what I've seen:

Chicago's GM + (Chicago's past history/NHL winning percentage over that time period) > Vancouver's GM + all accumulated hockey knowledge

I think it is a matter of understanding the Cap and working within it. Not getting attached to players and letting them walk or trading to get value when you can is what Bowman does well. That and a world class coach that knows exactly what the team needs and lets Bowman pick up all of those needs. The Hawks entire front office is amazing lately.
 

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I don't really see it that way. They have him for two seasons, whatever happens after that happens.

Really, you wouldn't mind having to find another goaltender in two years?

Thinking about it though, I don't think he could find another team that is as consistently good as the Devils and in need of a starting goaltender. I don't think he's crazy enough to want to play in Philadelphia. The Penguins don't appear to be giving up on Fleury.

Honestly, I think as long as Elias re-signs that's good enough for now. Kovy, Zajac, Elias, Henrique, Clarkson, Zubrus, Josefson, Tedenby, Ponikarovsky

Ponikarovsky isn't re-signed yet. Clarkson isn't re-signed and there's a good chance he'll go somewhere else. He thinks he's a 30 goal scorer now.

That's actually a really good set of forwards if they play well. Someone pointed out that if you plug in Cory Schneider's career save pct. (or his save pct. last season, it's the same number) to the Devils' team stats last year, you end up with 27 fewer goals against and the team easily makes the playoffs.

Obviously that's not really a legitimate way to analyze his impact, but it's food for thought. I've played team sports for years, and it's amazing the impact that having a good goalie can have on the way the rest of the team plays.

When your goalie gives up a soft goal after you and your teammates have been working hard to limit chances and generate opportunities on offense, it's unbelieveably deflating, it's almost impossible to simply return to the same level of intensity. I don't want to excuse the crappy production the Devils' skaters had last year, but I have to believe that the awful goaltending played some role in it.

Yeah I don't doubt we'd make the playoffs with Cory Schneider on last year's team. But we didn't have a great offense with Parise on the team, and we didn't do anything to replace Parise's scoring when he left. I'd like a legitimate top 6 forward even if Clarkson stays. We have the cap space, I just don't know if Lou will be allowed to spend to the cap.
 
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Really, you wouldn't mind having to find another goaltender in two years?

Thinking about it though, I don't think he could find another team that is as consistently good as the Devils and in need of a starting goaltender. I don't think he's crazy enough to want to play in Philadelphia. The Penguins don't appear to be giving up on Fleury.

That's not really what I mean, I'm just saying that two years is a long time in professional sports. Maybe he's good and the team is good and he wants to stay and they re-sign him. That'd be beloved patriot dory. On the other hand imagine all the ways this could play out. He could be good but the team could stink. In that case the Devils might prefer to trade him at the deadline and go with a younger goalie (since he'd be 29 at that point). Or the team could be good and he could stink. Or they both could stink, or maybe Kinkaid or Wedgewood catches on fire and suddenly he's the odd man out.

In my view, we have two years of a damn good goalie in his prime, and even if we only get him for those two years, the #9 pick in a soft draft is not a bad price to pay at all.

Ponikarovsky isn't re-signed yet. Clarkson isn't re-signed and there's a good chance he'll go somewhere else. He thinks he's a 30 goal scorer now.

Ahh, I haven't been keeping up too closely on the offseason. Yeah, if they lost Clarkson that would sting. Honestly though, the guy scored 30 two seasons ago and scored at a 25 goal clip last year, that's first line level production, he has earned a big contract.

Yeah I don't doubt we'd make the playoffs with Cory Schneider on last year's team. But we didn't have a great offense with Parise on the team, and we didn't do anything to replace Parise's scoring when he left. I'd like a legitimate top 6 forward even if Clarkson stays. We have the cap space, I just don't know if Lou will be allowed to spend to the cap.

I thought the offense was pretty damn good in the Spring of 2012, I don't remember how much they scored, but they were rolling four strong lines after they got Poni. When Parise was here they had five first-line forwards: Kovy, Parise, Zajac, Elias, and Clarkson. That's a rare luxury. If they can hang on to Clarkson (or replace him) they can always make a deadline deal to add another scorer if the team is playing well enough to warrent it.
 

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That's not really what I mean, I'm just saying that two years is a long time in professional sports. Maybe he's good and the team is good and he wants to stay and they re-sign him. That'd be beloved patriot dory. On the other hand imagine all the ways this could play out. He could be good but the team could stink. In that case the Devils might prefer to trade him at the deadline and go with a younger goalie (since he'd be 29 at that point). Or the team could be good and he could stink. Or they both could stink, or maybe Kinkaid or Wedgewood catches on fire and suddenly he's the odd man out.

In my view, we have two years of a damn good goalie in his prime, and even if we only get him for those two years, the #9 pick in a soft draft is not a bad price to pay at all.



Ahh, I haven't been keeping up too closely on the offseason. Yeah, if they lost Clarkson that would sting. Honestly though, the guy scored 30 two seasons ago and scored at a 25 goal clip last year, that's first line level production, he has earned a big contract.



I thought the offense was pretty damn good in the Spring of 2012, I don't remember how much they scored, but they were rolling four strong lines after they got Poni. When Parise was here they had five first-line forwards: Kovy, Parise, Zajac, Elias, and Clarkson. That's a rare luxury. If they can hang on to Clarkson (or replace him) they can always make a deadline deal to add another scorer if the team is playing well enough to warrent it.

My problem with Clarkson is that he was on fire at the beginning of the season and then he produced nothing for the rest of the season. He scored 15 goals, but 10 of them were in the first 14 games and 5 were in the last 34 games. So he had a 100 game stretch where he was a 30+ goal scorer and the rest of his career he's never scored more than 17 in a season. In terms of skill he's not a first line forward. He doesn't skate well, and his signature move is a failed wraparound because he holds onto the puck too long to take any other shot. He is pretty good at redirecting other players' shots and putting home juicy rebounds. Also, his career high is 46 points; he was on pace for 41 in an 82 game season this year, and he was on pace for about 40 a few years ago when he was injured part of the season. That's not great.

He's worth maybe $4 million, but he probably wants $5+ because he's an "elite" goal scorer now. I think it'd be crazy to pay him that, but we might because it's easier to keep him here than to get someone else to come here.

I really wish we had gotten P.A. Parenteau last year. I don't know if that was ever a possibility, and Parise's "indecision" certainly ruled it out, but he makes $4 million a year.
 

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Yeah, he was like the rest of the team, everything was good early and then it all fell apart. Most scorers are streaky. I was a big Clarkson skeptic but he pretty much converted me. Admittedly, I didn't watch much hockey in the spring, getting dumped by your gf and having problems at work will do that, so maybe if I had been watching I'd feel the same way. That said, it seems like it would be a bit short sighted to let him go because his production tailed off for a while. Every forward on the roster has had that happen, including Ilya.
 

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Yeah, he was like the rest of the team, everything was good early and then it all fell apart. Most scorers are streaky. I was a big Clarkson skeptic but he pretty much converted me. Admittedly, I didn't watch much hockey in the spring, getting dumped by your gf and having problems at work will do that, so maybe if I had been watching I'd feel the same way. That said, it seems like it would be a bit short sighted to let him go because his production tailed off for a while. Every forward on the roster has had that happen, including Ilya.

Well I want him to stay, I just think some other team (Toronto) will make him a stupid offer that he'll take instead of staying here for what he deserves to make.

But that's kind of how it goes in free agency.
 

Blackjack200

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For some reason I thought they drafted someone at the top of the 2012 draft too. What happened to their pick in 2012?
 
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