2013-14 NBA Season

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HendrixFan

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Lebron isn't a "scorer" like Durant or Jordan but he can and has shown he can carry the scoring load if needed. Saying he can't rise to the occasion completely ignores the numerous occasions (including playoff games and elimination playoff games) where he has done exactly that. It can be easy to confuse the fact that he is FAR AND AWAY the best player currently in the game at getting his teammates involved and see that as a deficiency in scoring.

Lebron's shot chart numbers (and subsequent FG%) show him to be a "better" shooter than anyone else in the league. He scored 37 points on 23 shots in game 7 of the Finals. He had the infamous 45 point game 6 against Boston two years ago. He dropped 40 points in a "must win" game 4 against the Pacers the previous series. To get a better comparison of his scoring prowess you need to go back to his Cleveland days where he had to shoulder the scoring load to keep his terrible team competitive. In the six game series the Cavs lost to the Magic Lebron scored 49, 35, 41, 44, 37, and 25 points. He dropped 45 in an elimination game 7 against the Celtics the year before. He had that monster 48 point game against the Pistons the year before that, his playoff coming out party of sorts.

Lebron has proven time and time he can put up the points when needed, against top tier defensive teams in playoff games. To say he lacks something keeping him from being a dominant scorer simply isn't true. He just isn't known as a "scorer" like the others mentioned because he actually brings something else to the table besides scoring.

And OILFIELDTRASH, Lebron had super elite athleticism as a 13 yr old. His athletic prowess gives him a higher ceiling than most everyone else but isn't any greater than a Jordan or Wilkins. Lebron's ceiling and results are higher than others because of his court vision and willingness/desire to be a complete player and not just a scorer ALA Jordan.
 

dbk

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Dude Lebron's not even trying. Everytime I watch, he seems disinterested.. maybe at 50% tilt. He's gonna blow the doors off in the playoffs.
 
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Imo I believe the guy is on steroids. You can call people idiots that deny him being the best player on the planet and I'll call you an idiot right back if you don't believe his out of this world athleticism is a result of good ole modern medicine.

OK, but there's a difference between a verifiable fact (LeBron's stats are better than anyone else's over the last five years) and conjecture (he must be on steroids). I'm certainly not discounting the possibility that he might be on steroids. But without any evidence whatsoever to back up your claim, it's just conjecture on your part. Calling someone an idiot because they don't agree with your unsubstantiated statement of fact with absolutely no evidence supporting it is just foolhardy. If you can come back with evidence outside of "well, he looks a lot bigger than most people" then maybe you'll gain some traction. History is littered with people who are just freakishly large without the help of any steroids or growth hormone; the odds are just as likely it's that as modern medicine. Better, actually, since no one has ever purported to have a smidgen of evidence of LeBron doping, which is something that is getting progressively harder to hide in this day and age.

In the meantime, you're letting blind hatred form your opinion and missing out on some truly amazing talent in the process. It's a pity you can't overcome an irrational animosity based on nothing at all towards a person you don't even know.
 

HendrixFan

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Dude Lebron's not even trying. Everytime I watch, he seems disinterested.. maybe at 50% tilt. He's gonna blow the doors off in the playoffs.

He isn't trying and yet his team has almost the same record at this point as the last three years, each of which they played in the Finals? He isn't trying and he is having the most efficient high usage season a wing player has ever had in the history of the game? He isn't trying and he is the second leading scorer in the league while only shooting 16 shots per game? I don't know why that narrative has caught on but both Lebron and Bosh have been on beast mode while Wade has missed a TON of games.

The professional leagues here in the US don't put too much into testing players but the Olympics sure do. Lebron didn't lose anything during the Olympics or Worlds any of those times. The testing is very stringent. This isn't the NFL where players never have to subject themselves to the much more rigorous blood testing of the Olympics. All the Lebron is jacked stuff again ignores that his game is so advanced because of his court vision and willingness to move the ball. All the roids and uppers in the world won't make you a willing passer or see the floor in ways most can't.
 

blamb425

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No one has mentioned Melo's 62? I am disappointed, thread!

Zero turnovers on the night for him, as well--first time in NBA history that this has been done.
 

HendrixFan

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No one has mentioned Melo's 62? I am disappointed, thread!

Zero turnovers on the night for him, as well--first time in NBA history that this has been done.

I have only caught highlights so far, the Knicks and Bobcats both didn't make the cut for my league pass five this year. I'll have to wait until I get back home from a trip to download the game to watch, something I am very excited to do!

Melo is a top tier scorer who has had the misfortune of playing for crappy teams and crappy coaches. A competent GM would surround him with just the right guys and Melo's teams would always be making a big push to the Finals. Remember the Olympic teams where he was THE scorer amongst the giants we rolled out?

It won't happen, but Melo to the Pacer or Bulls would put both teams over the hump.
 

jayzds

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I have only caught highlights so far, the Knicks and Bobcats both didn't make the cut for my league pass five this year. I'll have to wait until I get back home from a trip to download the game to watch, something I am very excited to do!

Melo is a top tier scorer who has had the misfortune of playing for crappy teams and crappy coaches. A competent GM would surround him with just the right guys and Melo's teams would always be making a big push to the Finals. Remember the Olympic teams where he was THE scorer amongst the giants we rolled out?

It won't happen, but Melo to the Pacer or Bulls would put both teams over the hump.

Perhaps...as long as it is a team with good defense and players that don't require a lot of shots because he will jack up a lot of them. IMO he is overrated and not a good team player and the reason he would only fit in with a team with a strong defense but, I do agree that he is a good player non the less.
 

darkewaffle

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Heat/Thunder -- Great game....for OKC.

Durant looking like the MVP.

Yeah, impressive showing by OKC going down by nearly 20 points right off the bat and then coming back to win with a substantial cushion. The Heat were hot for a quarter but that was about it.
 

Mai72

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The Pacers coach graduated from the same highschool as me. We both went to Wildwood High.
 
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Yeah, impressive showing by OKC going down by nearly 20 points right off the bat and then coming back to win with a substantial cushion. The Heat were hot for a quarter but that was about it.

Strangely enough, the Thunder's monstrous comeback came after benching Perkins. Perkins plays 5 minutes, puts up a monstrous statline of 0-0-0-0-0 and -13 in scoring margin, goes to the bench and the Thunder proceed to outscore the Heat by 30 over the remainder of the game. Which might prompt people to ask the question they've asked during literally every single Thunder game in the last three years; why the fuck is Kendrick Perkins still playing? He's good for 5 points and 6 rebounds a night... as a starting center? Are you fucking kidding me? He has the lowest PER of any center in the league. Not just starting centers; ANY CENTER (who's played at least 6 minutes per game). But at least they're only paying him slightly more than Reggie Jackson, Nick Collison, Jeremy Lamb and Steven Adams combined. Good value there.

Scott Brooks' steadfast refusal to bench Perkins despite his complete lack of production on either end of the floor has been his biggest failing as a coach, and a fairly strong argument that he's tremendously overrated. Good coaches don't trot someone out night after night if they don't produce. After two games, Perkins would be at the far end of Popovich's bench, desperately trying to avoid getting relegated to the D-League. Brooks starts him every night. All this talk of coach of the year is just because he fell ass-backwards into a team handled by a brilliant GM who got him Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, Martin and a great cast of roleplayers who can carry their weight with the best of 'em. Of course, Presti also orchestrated the Perkins trade, so I guess he shares some blame for that. But why double down on failure? Don't play the guy if he can't contribute!
 

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Scott Brooks' steadfast refusal to bench Perkins despite his complete lack of production on either end of the floor has been his biggest failing as a coach, and a fairly strong argument that he's tremendously overrated. Good coaches don't trot someone out night after night if they don't produce. After two games, Perkins would be at the far end of Popovich's bench, desperately trying to avoid getting relegated to the D-League. Brooks starts him every night. All this talk of coach of the year is just because he fell ass-backwards into a team handled by a brilliant GM who got him Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, Martin and a great cast of roleplayers who can carry their weight with the best of 'em. Of course, Presti also orchestrated the Perkins trade, so I guess he shares some blame for that. But why double down on failure? Don't play the guy if he can't contribute!

Preach on brutha!

Perkins is a relic that only has value in slow, big man dominated half court offenses. Which would be fine if many teams played that way anymore. He made a reputation as a guy that could body up physically imposing players without picking up stupid fouls. Outside of those few times that a big man acutally posts up he's nothing but a slow, plodding liability that has zero offensive skills.
 

Gibsons

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Preach on brutha!

Perkins is a relic that only has value in slow, big man dominated half court offenses. Which would be fine if many teams played that way anymore. He made a reputation as a guy that could body up physically imposing players without picking up stupid fouls. Outside of those few times that a big man acutally posts up he's nothing but a slow, plodding liability that has zero offensive skills.

Zero offensive skills? I think he'd have to improve considerably to reach zero.
 

Red Storm

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I still cannot believe the Thunder traded away James freaking Harden and also refused to amnesty Perkins. For an organization that has made a lot of good moves, those are two really bad ones.
 

Gibsons

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I still cannot believe the Thunder traded away James freaking Harden and also refused to amnesty Perkins. For an organization that has made a lot of good moves, those are two really bad ones.

Another thing they could've done was forced Houston to take Perk's contract in the Harden trade. They certainly didn't get enough for him.
 

Miramonti

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It's a popularity contest. Honestly, this one doesn't bother me. LaMarcus Aldridge is clearly a better player than Blake Griffin at this point, but Blake Griffin was tailor-made for the All-Star Game; he's a flashy player who is entirely over-exposed through his endorsement deals and he throws down absolutely thunderous dunks, not to mention he plays in the second largest media market in the country. Blake Griffin is going to be the next Kobe; elected to every All-Star game until he dies. And that's fine; I can get why the fans want to see that at the All-Star Game. Hell, I want to see that at the All-Star Game. That's what the game is supposed to be. What I don't want to see is people like Joakim Noah being trotted out there by the coaches because of his defensive abilities; no one gives a shit about defense at the All-Star Game, dammit!

But I do think they need to implement a rule that players need to play in a certain percentage of games to be eligible, at least as a starter. Bryant and Wade are excellent players, but each has missed a significant number of games (Bryant especially). If you can't play in 75% of your team's games, you shouldn't be starting in the All-Star Game. In cases where an injured/ineligible player gets elected starter, his votes are tossed and the next runner-up at the position (frontcourt/backcourt) gets his spot. That way fans can still vote for Kobe or Wade out of respect for their body of work, but a more deserving player gets the starting nod. So this year, for example, rather than Wade and Bryant, you'd end up with John Wall and Jeremy Lin. Wait, Jeremy Lin? What the everloving fuck?

OK, turns out the fans are just fucking retarded.

Fair enough. I agree for the most part, it's a game to market the game, which involves, if not requires, it to be a popularity contest.

It's good to see Aldridge voted in by the coaches. Fortunately there is a sane process for the alternates. I'd be all for a games-played requirement as well.
 

Miramonti

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The tragedy of the east is Kyrie Irving making the allstar game. He's had a cr@ppy season, relatively speaking, and altho he has individual skills, he runs the offense as "me"=#1 while his teammates are there to bail him out. The (few) games I've seen, he seems to do nothing to actually play 'winning basketball' and set the tone for teamwork. Talented as sh!t, but simple-minded as fvck.
 

dbk

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Poor lance stephenson dude got hit upside the head and still managed to get a triple dip.. He waz robbed!
 
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The tragedy of the east is Kyrie Irving making the allstar game. He's had a cr@ppy season, relatively speaking, and altho he has individual skills, he runs the offense as "me"=#1 while his teammates are there to bail him out. The (few) games I've seen, he seems to do nothing to actually play 'winning basketball' and set the tone for teamwork. Talented as sh!t, but simple-minded as fvck.

Eh, I mean the Cleveland situation is a complete shitshow, and I don't really blame Kyrie all that much for it. Hire a competent coach and Cleveland would be half decent (at least in the East)
 

Miramonti

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Eh, I mean the Cleveland situation is a complete shitshow, and I don't really blame Kyrie all that much for it. Hire a competent coach and Cleveland would be half decent (at least in the East)

There won't be an effort to defend the competence of their coach found here, but this is Irving's 3rd year and more should be expected of him. When I see him, including tonight, he plays like he doesn't give a sh!t about his teammates.
 
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There won't be an effort to defend the competence of their coach found here, but this is Irving's 3rd year and more should be expected of him. When I see him, including tonight, he plays like he doesn't give a sh!t about his teammates.

He's 21 years old, so I'm not sure the maturity is there. But it's a difficult situation, especially when Dion Waiters accuses you and Tristain Thompson of playing "buddy ball." In other words, I don't blame Irving for not giving a shit
 
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