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Chelsea Lately on E! Coming to an end, contract won't be renewed.
I tried watching that when nothing else was on during the summer... Did not find her funny and even offensive/rude.
Chelsea Lately on E! Coming to an end, contract won't be renewed.
I tried watching that when nothing else was on during the summer... Did not find her funny and even offensive/rude.
What's's worse han cancelled, double cancelled. CBS scraps remaining Friends and Teacher episodes from schedule.
Interdasting. Community, season 6 on Hulu?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/29/showbiz/tv/community-hulu-ew/
I don't think it's a lack of grasping that, it's more that those individuals are less valuable than the ones who sit and watch live, with commercials, thus they shouldn't be weighted equally.
I'd like to see you back that up with any evidence.
They still don't grasp that many many people do NOT watch "normal" television anymore. (Or normally for that matter). They need to re-establish how their ratings system works. I realize they sort of count some online streaming sources, but for the most part they are missing the mark big time. These days most people would rather watch an entire season / series back to back than sit week to week waiting (that is just one example).
Chozen blew huge chunks anyway. You know a show is really bad when even their promos suck.
Legit was GREAT, though. Another good one bites the dust.
I would assume that TV execs, or at least the guys who actually give them the numbers, are smart enough to factor in DVD sales, VOD sales, and streaming revenues when making cancel/renew decisions. I agree that general live ratings don't mean a ton anymore, but it's still important for selling advertising. Networks used to make all of their money from advertising. Then they added carriage fees. Now it's diversified to actual episode/season purchases and streaming revenue. This all hits the bottom line and helps make the decisions.
If a show isn't a hit right off the bat it gets cancelled. Just ridiculous. Big Bang Theory was slow to find an audience when it first came out, and that turned out well. Execs don't want to give anything a chance anymore.
What's worse is they cancel one show, then debut another show almost exactly like it targeting the same audience, sometimes even using the same actors from the previously cancelled show.
New Girl (Daman Wayans)
Happy Endings (Damon Wayans)
Don't Trust the B__ in Apt. 23 (James Van Der Beek)
Friends with Better Lives (James Van Der Beek)
I would assume that TV execs, or at least the guys who actually give them the numbers, are smart enough to factor in DVD sales, VOD sales, and streaming revenues when making cancel/renew decisions. I agree that general live ratings don't mean a ton anymore, but it's still important for selling advertising. Networks used to make all of their money from advertising. Then they added carriage fees. Now it's diversified to actual episode/season purchases and streaming revenue. This all hits the bottom line and helps make the decisions.
If a show isn't a hit right off the bat it gets cancelled. Just ridiculous. Big Bang Theory was slow to find an audience when it first came out, and that turned out well. Execs don't want to give anything a chance anymore.
What's worse is they cancel one show, then debut another show almost exactly like it targeting the same audience, sometimes even using the same actors from the previously cancelled show.
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My understanding has always been that most network stations buy their content, so while DVD and VOD sales help the creators it doesn't do too much for the network's bottom line. In order to get to the point where you can afford to make the show in the first place you need someone to agree to buy episodes. Most shows are done week to week with maybe a a episode padding there isn't much room to create enough content for DVDs if it gets dropped because of low ratings. Even then, none of those sales really do much for the networks that are paying to air the shows.
I can't really speak to the debuting one show just like the one they cancelled other than to point out that almost ALL entertainment has been blended down the lowest bland non-offensive crap. Look at music or movies and you'll see shades of the same shit being marketed. Entertainment is a business that thinks it's cracked the code on safe sells.
On the other topic of allowing a show to grow it's audience... Most networks can't afford to allow that to happen because it risks another network getting that viewer. Networks go off the important number of who's watching it live at that moment and sitting through commercials. If everyone wasn't watching the commercials then we'd have no TV as that's the only way networks recoup their costs. As I pointed out DVD sales don't mean crap the local NBC that's rebroadcasting content in some odd small town. While streaming has been changing the way some things are being done, the big money is still from networks buying content and selling commercials to pay for it.
yep, loved Legit, was really funny, but it also had another element to it that I can't really describe, that I liked.
Which brings me back to my original point. Much of it has to be having an impact and affecting the longevity of new shows. Peoples habits and wants are changing. They still want quality shows, but they want them on their own time and in their own way...and more than likely without commercials.
While I don't disagree with you in idea, I'm not sure I follow you all the way. The networks that air the shows locally are the real money. They're buying that show to air and put commercials in it. Without them TV would be too expensive to make, at least in the bulk we consume. While Netflix and Amazon are making good shows, with Netflix releasing them all at once, they're only making a few shows here and there. No where near enough to sustain the rate we consume shows. I also would point out, that the number of TV owners really dwarfs the number of people with streaming services. That's still way too much money to just drop because a lot of people want to binge on a show. While I'm very interested in seeing where we're going marketwise, we're still a long ways off from making the massive changes to how TV is made.
We're not talking about quite the same thing. I'm not referring to shows that Amazon or Netflix create, just what they stream via seasons of network television.
I guess to reiterate, what I mean is their main (wishful) target demographics are not watching broadcast television live, and with commercials. I'm not saying it is right, I'm just saying it is where more and more people are going and it seems like that could be also playing into the "low" ratings that shows are getting the last few years that quickly get ousted and something new brought in.
I suppose one could argue that Breaking Bad had no problems (for example) so there definitely is a market...but I'm not sure how that would have done on a major network.