2013 Ford Fusion

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JTsyo

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So the EPA doesn't test the cars themselves? Just give the companies guidelines to follow?
 

etrigan420

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Finally got a picture of my new ride. Got 137 miles on it and averaging 35.7 mpg. There have been trips where I get 46 or so. For my commute a bigger battery would help, I keep running the battery low and turning on the engine.


Very nice.

The wife and I bought one on Sunday (Ruby Red).

It's dark outside when I leave for work in the morning, and dark when I get home in the evening, so haven't been able to get a picture yet...but so far, I'm pretty impressed with it.

Averaging in the 39-40 range for mileage so far, and is a blast to drive!
 

JTsyo

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Interesting day today. had two people pull out in front of me withing 1/4 mile stretch. FFH was able to cut lanes very smoothly at 50mph. In the evening had a 13 mile drive that averaged 83mpg, mostly at 50mph and downhill. The return trip was only 32mpg. Averaged that's still 57 or so.

Ruby red was the color of my Alero, I'll be interested in a pic of the FFH in the same color.
 

alevasseur14

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Weather here isn't really cooperating with our desire to take photogs...


Not sure what you're talking about… I detail cars for a living and there's something special about a car that beads properly! And those new Fusions are good looking to begin with!
 

Aikouka

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I was a bit drawn in by the Fusion Hybrid at first, but then I saw one thing that instantly made it a no-deal for me: Ford doesn't allow push button start on the hybrid. Sorry, but after using it for over five years on my Altima, I'm not going to lose that nice little bonus! :$
 

alevasseur14

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I was a bit drawn in by the Fusion Hybrid at first, but then I saw one thing that instantly made it a no-deal for me: Ford doesn't allow push button start on the hybrid. Sorry, but after using it for over five years on my Altima, I'm not going to lose that nice little bonus! :$

That's interesting. I'm in and out of cars all day and have never seen the point of push button start. I suppose if my car wasn't a dinosaur and I didnt have to unlock the doors with the key, I may feel differently. I'm never sure what I'm supposed to do with the keys after I start a push button car. Haha, I'm sure ill get used to it eventually.

Anyone know why Ford doesn't have that option in the hybrids??
 

LTC8K6

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That's interesting. I'm in and out of cars all day and have never seen the point of push button start. I suppose if my car wasn't a dinosaur and I didnt have to unlock the doors with the key, I may feel differently. I'm never sure what I'm supposed to do with the keys after I start a push button car. Haha, I'm sure ill get used to it eventually.

Anyone know why Ford doesn't have that option in the hybrids??

You wouldn't even have a key fob in your hand, so there's nothing to figure out. The fob stays in your pocket. It's much easier if you are in and out of your car a lot.
 

Aikouka

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That's interesting. I'm in and out of cars all day and have never seen the point of push button start. I suppose if my car wasn't a dinosaur and I didnt have to unlock the doors with the key, I may feel differently. I'm never sure what I'm supposed to do with the keys after I start a push button car. Haha, I'm sure ill get used to it eventually.

Anyone know why Ford doesn't have that option in the hybrids??

Ask LTC mentioned, it's not just about the key-less ignition, but also about key-less entry... and pretty much key-less everything else. My Altima actually uses a Smart Key, which has a key hidden inside of it for emergencies, that allows you to open your doors and such. Unlike the amusing Top Gear skit (Clarkson drove off with Hammond's modern muscle car while it was parked across the road), you have to be very close to the specific button to operate it.

Essentially, I never take my keys out of my pocket except for when I have to open my front door, and that will be changing once I get my Lockitron as I'll never have to remove my keys from my pocket! :awe:

As for why they don't have it on the Hybrid, I have no idea. I've done a bit of searching to see if there's a published reason, but I haven't been able to find anything. It exists on the Titanium trim, and Toyota offers it on their hybrid cars, so I don't see why Ford doesn't.
 

JulesMaximus

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I was a bit drawn in by the Fusion Hybrid at first, but then I saw one thing that instantly made it a no-deal for me: Ford doesn't allow push button start on the hybrid. Sorry, but after using it for over five years on my Altima, I'm not going to lose that nice little bonus! :$

My wife's car has keyless entry and push button start. My car has a conventional ignition and a key fob I can use to unlock the car. I have no problem going back and forth between the two vehicles.

The miniscule annoyance of having to put the key in the ignition and turn it on is... well, miniscule. So miniscule to the point of hardly being worthy of mentioning let alone being a deal breaker for buying a car.
 

etrigan420

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The keyless entry would have been nice, but wasn't anywhere near a deal maker/breaker.

Remote start (or the lack thereof), on the other hand, *was* almost a deal breaker for my wife.
 

Aikouka

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My wife's car has keyless entry and push button start. My car has a conventional ignition and a key fob I can use to unlock the car. I have no problem going back and forth between the two vehicles.

The miniscule annoyance of having to put the key in the ignition and turn it on is... well, miniscule. So miniscule to the point of hardly being worthy of mentioning let alone being a deal breaker for buying a car.

Well, I agree that it's not necessary, but if I'm spending a modest amount of money on a car, I don't want to get something that's subjectively worse than what I already have. Although, if I really want a Fusion that badly, I could just "suffer" with the worse gas mileage and get the turbocharged I4 in the Titanium trim instead. Those larger, black rims do look rather nice too. :$

I haven't really decided if I want to replace my Altima, so it isn't a huge deal. I really just want a better infotainment setup, but I can't find an aftermarket unit that isn't slow as molasses to boot up. My Nissan unit takes ~5 seconds to start playing music, but I've seen aftermarket boot times between 15-30 seconds.
 

JTsyo

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The keyless entry would have been nice, but wasn't anywhere near a deal maker/breaker.

Remote start (or the lack thereof), on the other hand, *was* almost a deal breaker for my wife.

remote start on the hybrid might be pointless. When I start mine up, it doesn't turn the engine on unit I put it into drive.
 

CraigRT

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I really just want a better infotainment setup, but I can't find an aftermarket unit that isn't slow as molasses to boot up. My Nissan unit takes ~5 seconds to start playing music, but I've seen aftermarket boot times between 15-30 seconds.
My Pioneer Avic X930BT is really slow.. It's hardly the worst though, I originally had a Kenwood DNX-6180 and that thing was so godawful slow I called the store back and basically said I had to swap units to something else. It was just horrid, I have no idea how that thing got let out to the public with its performance issues. (It became more apparent as you used it on a daily basis, as opposed to testing it in the store)

It's really only an issue if you make short trips a lot though, and I have a 50 minute drive to work so the 20 seconds boot time I just could not care less about now.
 

Aikouka

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remote start on the hybrid might be pointless. When I start mine up, it doesn't turn the engine on unit I put it into drive.

The point of remote start for some people is to warm the car up when it's really cold outside.
 

etrigan420

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remote start on the hybrid might be pointless. When I start mine up, it doesn't turn the engine on unit I put it into drive.

Yup, which was a bit disconcerting at first...Is it on? Is it *not* on? What's that little car with direction arrow light mean anyway? :sneaky:

Remote start wasn't big deal to me either way. My wife wanted it, but after reminding her that I would be driving the car 90% of the time, and that the cars benefits outweighed the lack of remote start, she was pretty convinced.
 

JTsyo

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The point of remote start for some people is to warm the car up when it's really cold outside.

I realize that but I'm saying the engine won't turn on and warm up right away on the hybrid. Unless they add something to it when install the remote start.
 

JulesMaximus

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How do the heaters work in a hybrid car anyway? Do you have to wait until the gas engine warms up like a conventional car or is there some sort of instant on electric heat?

How does it work in a pure electric?
 

LTC8K6

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How do the heaters work in a hybrid car anyway? Do you have to wait until the gas engine warms up like a conventional car or is there some sort of instant on electric heat?

How does it work in a pure electric?

Most hybrids and pure electrics have some sort of heating/cooling system to control the temperature of the battery. They either cool it, or warm it, to keep in within a certain range.

Nissan's Leaf suffers greatly in temp extremes because it really has no system to regulate the battery temp except a fan.

Hybrids generally run the engine enough to keep it warm, so there is usually warm engine coolant available.

Pure electrics are purely electric, and everything you decide to turn on shortens your range. Heaters, being a heavy load, can shorten it quite a bit, as can an A/C compressor.

Cars that can be plugged in almost always use grid power to warm or cool the battery while they are plugged in, which adds a bit to the electric bill on top of the battery charging.
 

JTsyo

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How do the heaters work in a hybrid car anyway? Do you have to wait until the gas engine warms up like a conventional car or is there some sort of instant on electric heat?

How does it work in a pure electric?

Seems it takes in engine heat. When I have my heat on my engine stays on longer. If I turn the heat off, then the engine turns off too if the battery has charge. After the engine is hot enough and the interior is warmed up, the engine turns off. Electric heat would take up way too much energy.
 
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