2013 Mass Layoffs - Economy is tanking fast again

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Acanthus

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Obama is gonna make all those rich bastards pay so there is absolutely no need to worry. He's got four whole years ahead of him to fundamentally transform us. With a Dem controlled house in 2014 and Pelosi back at the helm, well, the goodness will be overwhelming.

Get every member of the household on unemployment, pop out some kids and let the good times roll. The rich can probably bankroll all of this forever I'm guessing.

Oh, and don't turn in those guns too early. There's a good possibility that the .gov will pay more for them at a later date. Sell high, it's how the evil rich bastards made their money.

Most importantly, trust in Our Father, Who art in the White House

Your post has zero substance.
 

Doppel

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100537056

Job creation broke out in February, with the economy creating a net 236,000 new jobs as the unemployment rate fell to 7.7 percent.
Private job creation stood at a robust 246,000, finally indicating that the economy may be ready to escape the tight growth range in which it has been held since the financial crisis.


OP = owned and should stop posting
 

Oldgamer

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Well they just announced this morning that unemployment is down by 7.7% and construction jobs are way up. So far looks good. Although they asked is this the high water mark before the sequester starts to affect people.
 

Genx87

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100537056

Job creation broke out in February, with the economy creating a net 236,000 new jobs as the unemployment rate fell to 7.7 percent.
Private job creation stood at a robust 246,000, finally indicating that the economy may be ready to escape the tight growth range in which it has been held since the financial crisis.


OP = owned and should stop posting


That is some wishful thinking.
 

mshan

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Well they just announced this morning that unemployment is down by 7.7% and construction jobs are way up. So far looks good. Although they asked is this the high water mark before the sequester starts to affect people.

2% GDP appears to be steady state point in terms of job creation.

First quarter GDP is supposed to be tracking 2.5% (acceleration from end of last year)

Sequester supposed to knock 0.5% off of GDP and "cost" 500,000 - 750,000 jobs (lost or not created) over 10 months starting around mid-year. Supposed to start knocking about 50,000 off of monthly jobs reports number beginning about mid-year.

Rebuild from Hurricane Sandy is supposed to start being stimulus for country going forward.
 
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allisolm

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236,000 jobs ADDED to the economy in February and Jobless rate falls to 4yr low

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/business/economy/us-added-236000-jobs-in-february.html?_r=0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/08/february-jobs-report-jobs-unemployment-rate_n_2836174.html

Among the sectors adding the most jobs in February were construction, which hired 48,000 people; health care, which added 32,000 people; and the retail sector, which added nearly 24,000. Temporary services payrolls grew by 16,000, possibly a leading indicator for future hiring. The motion-picture industry added 20,800 jobs.
 

Capt Caveman

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236,000 jobs ADDED to the economy in February and Jobless rate falls to 4yr low

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/09/business/economy/us-added-236000-jobs-in-february.html?_r=0
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/08/february-jobs-report-jobs-unemployment-rate_n_2836174.html

Among the sectors adding the most jobs in February were construction, which hired 48,000 people; health care, which added 32,000 people; and the retail sector, which added nearly 24,000. Temporary services payrolls grew by 16,000, possibly a leading indicator for future hiring. The motion-picture industry added 20,800 jobs.

Now, let's not post the positive. This is another debby downer McOwn'd thread.
 

slsmnaz

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participation rate and unemployment rate both drop at the same time. Coincidence?
 

mshan

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participation rate and unemployment rate both drop at the same time. Coincidence?

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea05.htm


Civilian labor force increased, number of employed increased, number of unemployed decreases (except a bit for bachelor's degree and above).

Participation rate has been in secular decline for quite some time.

IIRC, not just aging population with older workers retiring, but women are not entering workforce as aggressively as they have in past, and I think third reason was students not taking temporary jobs like they had in past (?). I forgot exact number, but even if we had full employment, I think natural trajectory of participation rate is around 61%.




http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/10/employment-decline-in-participation.html
 
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dmcowen674

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Well they just announced this morning that unemployment is down by 7.7% and construction jobs are way up. So far looks good. Although they asked is this the high water mark before the sequester starts to affect people.

Try as they might, wages are down, many Companies planning mass layoffs again.

This is just more of Wall Street and the 1%ers doing well while Main Street and real Americans keep going down the shitter.
 

allisolm

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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Illinois-to-Lose-1800-Jobs-by-March-138924654.html
Illinois to Lose 1,800 Jobs by March

Sixteen companies, based both inside and outside of Illinois, informed the state that they have cut or are planning to cut jobs,

The biggest cuts came from Hull House Association, the social service agency in Chicago that closed at the end of January, leaving nearly 300 workers unemployed. Also at the top of the list is TCF National Bank, which plans to eliminate more than 200 employees at two branches in the Chicago area.
Other companies, including Kraft Foods Inc., Dearborn Wholesale Grocers L.P., and Garden Fresh Market plan to eliminate jobs as well.

Or...

Chrysler Adds 1,800 Jobs in Illinois

Illinois has added +222,100 private sector jobs since January 2010

Illinois added 7100 jobs in January
 

dmcowen674

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or the real America

The one you are not part of because the Elite 1%ers are not affected

3-8-2013

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/brea...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

“You Want Fries With That?” Underemployment Remains Stubbornly High



By now you know that today's edition of The Biggest Number Ever in the form of Non-Farm Payrolls came in much better than expectations. The economy added 236,000 jobs in February far exceeding the official estimate of 175k. The unemployment rate dropped to 7.7% compared to 7.9% last month.


Wall Street is applauding and the economy continues to improve, albeit at the slowest rate in history. But the headlines aren't the real story.



According to Gallup polling the "Underemployment Rate" is near 18%.



In the attached clip I ask John Canally the Investment Strategist and Economist for LPL Financial if improvement in the unemployment rate trumps the relatively low quality of the jobs themselves.


"The ratio of full time to part time jobs is still relatively high," Canally says.



"The kind of jobs being added are not helping to push wage rates higher."

It's better for the human soul to be working rather than on the government dole but low end jobs are unlikely to drive the recovery America needs no matter what today's headlines say.
 

nehalem256

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http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea05.htm


Civilian labor force increased, number of employed increased, number of unemployed decreases (except a bit for bachelor's degree and above).

Participation rate has been in secular decline for quite some time.

IIRC, not just aging population with older workers retiring, but women are not entering workforce as aggressively as they have in past, and I think third reason was students not taking temporary jobs like they had in past (?). I forgot exact number, but even if we had full employment, I think natural trajectory of participation rate is around 61%.




http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/10/employment-decline-in-participation.html

Workforce participation was just another bubble that popped.
 

OverVolt

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I tend to agree with dmcowen though. These days a waiter will not only deliver your wine to the table, but could also explain its molecular composition if you wanted.

The jobs being added ARE low wage jobs. The jobs lost were middle income/high income jobs. One reason unemployment is going down is because people have given up looking for work and wall street cheers about it.

The computer field is very hot right now, and it has gone to this forums head a bit. Maybe try talking to people whose jobs do not revolve around computers for once. (The other 95% of the economy)

Its common sense that the unemployment numbers are crap. They go down because people are so hopelessly unemployed they stop trying to apply for jobs. Hooray recovery!

Its common sense that the stock market has nothing to do with the main street economy anymore. Hooray record corporate profits & simultaneously stagnant wages!

I dunno about "lay offs right around the corner" but things won't last this way forever. Its an era of transition. Everything right now is very impermanent.
 
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OverVolt

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2% GDP appears to be steady state point in terms of job creation.

First quarter GDP is supposed to be tracking 2.5% (acceleration from end of last year)

Sequester supposed to knock 0.5% off of GDP and "cost" 500,000 - 750,000 jobs (lost or not created) over 10 months starting around mid-year. Supposed to start knocking about 50,000 off of monthly jobs reports number beginning about mid-year.

Rebuild from Hurricane Sandy is supposed to start being stimulus for country going forward.

Q4 2012 was originally supposed to be forecast at 4% it was an obviously wildly optimistic outlier when all year we were pegging 1-1.5%. Then it got slashed to 2%, 1.5%, 1.3%, 1% etc.

And the actual Q4 2012 print? was -0.1%

Probably the start of an actual recession. Going by
http://www.businessinsider.com/wal-mart-tanks-2013-2
And
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013/02/27/target-cautious-after-weak-holiday-quarter-shares-fall/
The discount retailer's [Target's] fourth-quarter profit fell short of Wall Street expectations as the number of purchases dropped 1 percent, the first such decline in 14 quarters.

By 2013 Q1 it'll be more obvious but we aren't there yet.

Oh the higher payroll taxes, high gas, high food and stagnant wages eventually have an effect on spending, doi! Whoda thunk that Americans whom spend every dollar as soon as they get it, if they have less dollars to spend, don't buy as much doi.
 
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boomerang

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I tend to agree with dmcowen though. These days a waiter will not only deliver your wine to the table, but could also explain its molecular composition if you wanted.

The jobs being added ARE low wage jobs. The jobs lost were middle income/high income jobs. One reason unemployment is going down is because people have given up looking for work and wall street cheers about it.

The computer field is very hot right now, and it has gone to this forums head a bit. Maybe try talking to people whose jobs do not revolve around computers for once. (The other 95% of the economy)

Its common sense that the unemployment numbers are crap. They go down because people are so hopelessly unemployed they stop trying to apply for jobs. Hooray recovery!

Its common sense that the stock market has nothing to do with the main street economy anymore. Hooray record corporate profits & simultaneously stagnant wages!

I dunno about "lay offs right around the corner" but things won't last this way forever. Its an era of transition. Everything right now is very impermanent.
Anyone who is honest with himself understands the points you made are true. Unfortunately, the media is spoon fed information from the government and reports it with the spin our leaders want on it. The brighter among us know what's going on in this regard. The uninformed voters, and they are legion, don't know and don't care and the faithful followers rejoice and regurgitate the talking points fed to them by the media.

The layoffs are real. By law companies of the size that announced these layoffs must announce them well ahead of time. They are complying. Massive layoffs are on the horizon but the village idiots have seized upon the transient good news and have proceeded to rejoice and be merry. It makes them feel good to think that they voted the correct way all the while ignoring that we're in the longest "recovery' in modern history.

I could go on but I will wrap up by saying that when the next round of numbers are released and the layoffs are factored in, the numbers are fudged and we go back to the new normal of stagnant job growth they'll just blame Bush. The rejoicing will continue because it ain't the fault of their guy.
 
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dmcowen674

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3-14-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/unemployment-most-illinois-metro-areas-181216261.html

Unemployment up in most Illinois metro areas



Jobless rate spikes in most Illinois metro areas; Decatur hit hard



The state Department of Employment Security says unemployment increased in January in seven of Illinois' 12 metro areas.



In its Thursday metro jobs report the department said the biggest increase was in Decatur. Unemployment jumped to 14 percent from 11.1 percent a year earlier.



Archer Daniels Midland and Caterpillar are two of Decatur's employers and both cut either jobs or production in the past year.
Unemployment in the Chicago area increased from 9.5 to 9.9 percent.
 
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