2014 - The year of 4k? 28" 4k $699+. 1440p 120Hz too!

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1080 is much too low of a resolution for many people. I have been using resolutions higher than that for more than a decade now. Using 1080 for daily task or to game just does not really work very well (hence why I use two monitors at work).
 

moonbogg

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Am I the only one excited about the BenQ XL2720Z?

Granted it't TN, and 1920x1080 at 27".

But Lightboost
Strobe Backlighting
144hz
1ms
Low blue light radiation for less eye strain
Blur Reduction

Asus released the VH278H long ago and its basically the same thing, or nearly the same. I've been using it since release and its great, but this new 1440p asus just takes that same excitement to a whole new level, leaving the 1080p solutions feeling outdated. I see 1440p in my future.
Gotta give it to Nvidia for stealing the R9 290's right out from under my nose with their cute little G-sync trick. This Asus panel is the reason I won't buy them now. Crazy.
 
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CurrentlyPissed

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Asus released the VH278H long ago and its basically the same thing, or nearly the same. I've been using it since release and its great, but this new 1440p asus just takes that same excitement to a whole new level, leaving the 1080p solutions feeling outdated. I see 1440p in my future.
Gotta give it to Nvidia for stealing the R2 290's right out from under my nose with their cute little G-sync trick. This Asus panel is the reason I won't buy them now. Crazy.

Have you seen AMDs free sync?
 

omeds

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There is no freesync, it was a proof of concept. You wont be able to use it any time soon imho.
 

Kronvict

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It's only 120hz, not 144. Granted it's difficult to really realise that difference past that 120hz point anyways.

And G-Sync, sure if you use Nvidia. But then there is also AMDs free-sync coming about too though.

But yes, I do wish the BenQ was 1440p. But then again, the BenQ will only be $499. Compared to the $799 of the Asus.

It's already been stated by JJ from Asus that it can do 144hz even though its marketed as "120hz+"
 

Makaveli

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There is no freesync, it was a proof of concept. You wont be able to use it any time soon imho.

I think you are downplaying the rivalry between Ati and Nvidia.

We may see it sooner than you think.

We know how these guys like to one up each other.
 

Squeetard

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Its not about low expectations. Some people see things differently. Some people seem blind to the massive ghosting in LCD (which is even worse in IPS) while some are blind to color issues.

Personally ghosting to me is a lot more obvious and a much greater detriment then slight issues of a good TN panel.

Here here! Bought a VG278HE when I heard about lightboost and after trying it, immediately sold my Dell U2711. Going to get that ROG monitor as soon as it comes out.

All you have to do is strafe side to side without even touching the mouse to see how incredible it is. Gaming is not about accurate colors, it is all about smooth motion.

Although, IPS owners do have plenty of time to admire the sharp static image, while they are waiting to respawn.

I've been gaming since the early nineties, had a high end CRT, as soon as I went to an lcd, I knew something was off.
 
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RussianSensation

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Speak for yourself.

If ghosting is a major/#1 issue for you as you imply, all LCD/LEDs in the world are irrelevant. You'd be gaming on a plasma or a CRT. No LCD/LED can even come close to matching any good Panasonic or Samsung plasma in this regard. To be perfectly honest, even if they released a 4K 1ms LED with 120Hz refresh rate, it would still fall flat on its face against the best plasmas in color reproduction, viewing angles, black levels and response time. Unfortunately, due to uinformed masses, plasma is going to die soon and we'll be stuck with a marketer's dream 4K LED monitors that the masses will gawk over based on specs but will not hold a candle in IQ other than their "4K" spec. The irony is that 4K is coming to what is essentially an inferior technology for overall IQ.
 
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bystander36

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If ghosting is a major/#1 issue for you as you imply, all LCD/LEDs in the world are irrelevant. You'd be gaming on a plasma or a CRT, period. No LCD/LED can even come close to matching any good Panasonic or Samsung plasma in this regard.
Lightboost monitors have 0 motion blur as well, and they are TN. They utilize strobing to do it. All G-sync monitors have the same tech, which might be why they are all TN.
 

bystander36

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The point is, the choice is subjective. It is not a right or wrong answer as some have stated.

It is ok to like IPS, it is ok to like TN. Calling the other trash, because you don't like it, is not exactly ok.
 

smackababy

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The point is, the choice is subjective. It is not a right or wrong answer as some have stated.

It is ok to like IPS, it is ok to like TN. Calling the other trash, because you don't like it, is not exactly ok.

Come on now, this is the internet. Anything we don't like is garbage and everyone who does like it is stupid. Enjoy Call of Duty? Well, obviously you're a moronic, mouth breathing mongoloid scum of the earth type; everyone knows Call of Duty is a terrible game and nobody derives enjoyment from it.


I really want confirmation on those Dell specs. 5ms for a TN just doesn't seem right. Dell has IPS that do that same response time. And the 30hz limitation seems off, especially if it includes inputs other than HDMI 1.4. I hope more clarification comes out, otherwise, I'm going to have to go with the Asus.
 

Makaveli

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Come on now, this is the internet. Anything we don't like is garbage and everyone who does like it is stupid. Enjoy Call of Duty? Well, obviously you're a moronic, mouth breathing mongoloid scum of the earth type; everyone knows Call of Duty is a terrible game and nobody derives enjoyment from it.

This is the most accurate statement i've ever seen posted in my 10+ years on these forums.

Thanks for the laugh
 

Pandamonia

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If ghosting is a major/#1 issue for you as you imply, all LCD/LEDs in the world are irrelevant. You'd be gaming on a plasma or a CRT. No LCD/LED can even come close to matching any good Panasonic or Samsung plasma in this regard. To be perfectly honest, even if they released a 4K 1ms LED with 120Hz refresh rate, it would still fall flat on its face against the best plasmas in color reproduction, viewing angles, black levels and response time. Unfortunately, due to uinformed masses, plasma is going to die soon and we'll be stuck with a marketer's dream 4K LED monitors that the masses will gawk over based on specs but will not hold a candle in IQ other than their "4K" spec. The irony is that 4K is coming to what is essentially an inferior technology for overall IQ.

Panasonic 50" GT50 owner right here
 

magomago

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2560x1440 isn't big enough of a jump from 1920x1080 for me. I have a 22" Dell eIPS 1080p monitor, and 4K would definitely be the next big jump.

I'm not sure if I'd do 4K TN Panel. I do game, but I also use lightroom quite a bit so accurate colors matter to me. Its also lovely to have beautiful viewing angles. Surprisingly I don't have any issues with ghosting, but the last time ghosting was really a problem was back in 2003 when I just flailed the mouse back and forth in CS to notice the ghosting.
 

ali1988

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Maybe i'm in the minority here but I really don't see what all the fuss is about 4k monitors. Now TVS I understand because they are massive and it allows shorter viewing distances but monitors already look great at existing 1080p/1440/1600 and are practically at limit of the human retinas resolution at comfortable viewing distances.

If anything I think monitors with any higher resolution are a negative thing because there's little to be gained in terms of actual clarity above standard resolutions yet it puts so much extra load on the GPU, giving you shitty performance and requiring way more GPU grunt then would otherwise be necessary. It also makes running triple screen surround gaming a pipedream.

Put it this way, what would you rather have. Three 24" 1080p screens at 5760x1080 or one 32" 4k monitor. I know which I'd choose. When you add pricing to the mix it's a slam dunk for triple mons. If price is no issue for you however then 3x30" screen is possible to run on latest GPUs for 7680x1600 res and shits all over a single 4k mon.

/end rant

As for the 120hz 1440p monitors, that is awesome sauce. Can't wait.
 

Pandamonia

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Maybe i'm in the minority here but I really don't see what all the fuss is about 4k monitors. Now TVS I understand because they are massive and it allows shorter viewing distances but monitors already look great at existing 1080p/1440/1600 and are practically at limit of the human retinas resolution at comfortable viewing distances.

If anything I think monitors with any higher resolution are a negative thing because there's little to be gained in terms of actual clarity above standard resolutions yet it puts so much extra load on the GPU, giving you shitty performance and requiring way more GPU grunt then would otherwise be necessary. It also makes running triple screen surround gaming a pipedream.

Put it this way, what would you rather have. Three 24" 1080p screens at 5760x1080 or one 32" 4k monitor. I know which I'd choose. When you add pricing to the mix it's a slam dunk for triple mons. If price is no issue for you however then 3x30" screen is possible to run on latest GPUs for 7680x1600 res and shits all over a single 4k mon.

/end rant

You have obviously never used the MBP Retina then.

Its a nice upgrade and everything else sucks after viewing these high dpi screens.

You have to have 2 or even 3 serious cards to play at these resolutions but at least AA isnt very important so its a trade off
 

smackababy

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Maybe i'm in the minority here but I really don't see what all the fuss is about 4k monitors. Now TVS I understand because they are massive and it allows shorter viewing distances but monitors already look great at existing 1080p/1440/1600 and are practically at limit of the human retinas resolution at comfortable viewing distances.

I don't think we are even close. In terms of Pixel per Degree (used for the Apple Retina calculations), you need at least 53 according to Steve Jobs. But, if you have above average vision, you need a much higher PPD (about 1/3 more PPI for the 10" screen).

If anyone wants to do the actual math to calculate the required PPD for a desktop monitor, be my guest.

Formula accord to wikipedia: It can be calculated by multiplying the distance to the screen times the resolution of the screen in pixels per unit length times twice the Tan of π divided by 360 (equal to half a degree in radians). Remember to use units, whether imperial or metric, consistently in applying this formula. If the distance to the screen is measured in inches, then the resolution of the screen must be in PPI. If the distance to the screen is measured in centimetres, the resolution of the screen must be in PPC. Two times the Tan of π divided by 360 can also be approximated with π divided by 180 (= 0.01745).
 

magomago

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Maybe i'm in the minority here but I really don't see what all the fuss is about 4k monitors. Now TVS I understand because they are massive and it allows shorter viewing distances but monitors already look great at existing 1080p/1440/1600 and are practically at limit of the human retinas resolution at comfortable viewing distances.

If anything I think monitors with any higher resolution are a negative thing because there's little to be gained in terms of actual clarity above standard resolutions yet it puts so much extra load on the GPU, giving you shitty performance and requiring way more GPU grunt then would otherwise be necessary. It also makes running triple screen surround gaming a pipedream.

Put it this way, what would you rather have. Three 24" 1080p screens at 5760x1080 or one 32" 4k monitor. I know which I'd choose. When you add pricing to the mix it's a slam dunk for triple mons. If price is no issue for you however then 3x30" screen is possible to run on latest GPUs for 7680x1600 res and shits all over a single 4k mon.

/end rant

As for the 120hz 1440p monitors, that is awesome sauce. Can't wait.

You have obviously never used the MBP Retina then.

Its a nice upgrade and everything else sucks after viewing these high dpi screens.

You have to have 2 or even 3 serious cards to play at these resolutions but at least AA isnt very important so its a trade off

Agreed that high resolution displays look great. Its like going from lower resolution phones of several years ago to 720p/1080p phones of today: visually its a complete delight.

IMO, I'd love to do 4K resolution on a 27" screen.
 
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2560x1440 isn't big enough of a jump from 1920x1080 for me. I have a 22" Dell eIPS 1080p monitor, and 4K would definitely be the next big jump.

I have both a 1440 and 4k display. Although its true 4k (4k seiki tv) is a really big jump, going from 1080 to 1440 is also very nice. Its a 78% increase in pixels. Enough to give you a better picture while also not killing your video card.
 

Makaveli

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2560x1440 isn't big enough of a jump from 1920x1080 for me. I have a 22" Dell eIPS 1080p monitor, and 4K would definitely be the next big jump.

I'm not sure if I'd do 4K TN Panel. I do game, but I also use lightroom quite a bit so accurate colors matter to me. Its also lovely to have beautiful viewing angles. Surprisingly I don't have any issues with ghosting, but the last time ghosting was really a problem was back in 2003 when I just flailed the mouse back and forth in CS to notice the ghosting.

So why not go a 30` 1600p screen that will certain be a big jump from a 22' 1080p screen and cost alot better than any of the 4k screens and since you using lightroom I don't think I would want a TN panel.
 

Kippa

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This probably has been mentioned before, but if I play games with no AA on at all on a 4K rig, could a single Titan handle it alright? Isn't MSAAx4 rendering it in 4K as it is then downscaling?
 
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This probably has been mentioned before, but if I play games with no AA on at all on a 4K rig, could a single Titan handle it alright? Isn't MSAAx4 rendering it in 4K as it is then downscaling?


Titan should do ok in some games, but newer demanding games you will need to lower the settings. I ran a few test myself. Tho I was limited at only 30hz. Games like warframe and dota 2 seem to work fine on my 7950, tho I did not test all that long as 30hz was too slow to be useful.
 
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