2014, year of the "Pro" tablets?

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jpiniero

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If anything, Apple is trying to turn OSX into iOS (ie: fullscreen apps, suspend/resume, etc). I imagine this will continue until the merging is complete. So while split screen apps isn't likely, the iPad Pro being a 2-in-1 could happen.
 

Ns1

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That doesn't really work as a solution as pointed out above for several reasons. I had tried to always attach it but every time I grad the tablet and start trying to type, I have to take it off because its so large it makes tone side very uncomfortable.

I have a case coming in that has a pen loop in the back. Hopefully that will get it out of the way but always keep it pretty close by.

When this happens I use a mouse and call it a day. Or use the crappy but functional trackpad
 

s44

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Currently there is no way to split screen apps or make effective use of the extra real estate.

Microsoft is the only company with a usable productivity tablet OS.
Samsung, though not AOSP, has split screen apps. I have to think this will be the big add for the next Nexus 10 (and is perhaps the big holdup now).
 

Ravynmagi

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And the Samsung, has no eraser on the end, nor does it have side buttons. (to conform with the device styling when stored) Making a built in silo for the stock pen kind of worthless for me since I would get a more functioning pen afterwards, forgoing the stock pen (just like now with using a Lifebook pen that has two side buttons and an eraser for my Surface Pro 2 - handy for having a middle mouse click and undo key combination).

Needless to say, if one device isn't right for you, there are other options, with tradeoffs.

And, you do know you can turn the touch screen into a trackpad so you do not need to use the pen all the time for pin point pointing and mousing.

I used my Samsung pen all the time because it was always right there in the tablet. The Surface pen is definitely better, but I hardly ever used it because it was lying somewhere else on a table or in a bag or something.
 

Imaginer

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I used my Samsung pen all the time because it was always right there in the tablet. The Surface pen is definitely better, but I hardly ever used it because it was lying somewhere else on a table or in a bag or something.

Guess you probably grew up with spiral bound notebooks. Me? Loose leaf notebook paper and folders with paper holding tabs. I am used to having a pen separate from the medium at hand and in near proximity (bag, pen pockets, pen clips)
 

ElFenix

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Samsung, though not AOSP, has split screen apps. I have to think this will be the big add for the next Nexus 10 (and is perhaps the big holdup now).

i feel like i'm stating the obvious, but samsung doesn't make ipads.
 

Ravynmagi

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Guess you probably grew up with spiral bound notebooks. Me? Loose leaf notebook paper and folders with paper holding tabs. I am used to having a pen separate from the medium at hand and in near proximity (bag, pen pockets, pen clips)

I grew up on Trapper Keepers. They had storage inside for pens and pencils.
 

Ban Bot

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I don't know about 2014, but I am really digging my HP Omni 10 ($350) with Microsoft Wedge Keyboard/Stand ($50).

$400 got me a 10 inch 16:10 aspect screen with a 1920x1200 resolution display. It has the new quad core out-of-order Atoms (Bay Trail; Z3770) but it still light and thin with 8+ hours battery life. It comes with Windows 8.1 and Microsoft Office (Home and Student). While there are some niggles (2GB of memory is fine but more would be nice; 32GB eMMC is small; the SD/USB/HDMI slots are all micro; meh cameras; etc). But it runs my productivity programs fine (multiple Word docs, 300MB scanned PDF book, Zotero, a web browser, audio note recorded, and Bible program). The display and formfactor are very nice for reading books (especially scanned ones where a large, high resolution display and a lot of storage is needed).

More storage and RAM, better cameras, full SD/HDMI and more USB would be nice but I didn't want to wait, or pay a lot more, for those features as productivity, reading, movies, etc all work really well.
 

tamm

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Not the Surface Pro. No one buys those.

Ipad Pro rumors:
12.9"
2K screen in spring, 4k in fall?

Galaxy Note Pro rumors:
12.2"
resolution, guts same as the Note 10.1v2
announced at CES or MWC

Of course, with Samsung there will be other options... looks like the new AMOLED models will be called Tab Pro 8.4 and 10.1, presumably to distinguish them from the low-end nature of the regular Tab series. All of these will be released mid-end February.

More interesting than raw specs is whether Apple and Samsung intend to start officially supporting hybrid use with first-party accessories and software.

edit: Tab Pro 10.1 seems to have hit FCC already.

12.9 Screen, the only way Cook is going to go with that is if thats in the same ratio as the iPad Mini, Air. Also what would be the weight like on those tablets.
 

dmw16

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Samsung is rumored to be ready to unleash a ton of more affordable tablets as well, I think we'll see the iPad domination toppled as a result of Samsung's tablet onslaught.

I'll believe it when I see it. I think the non-Apple versions of things (tablets and phones) have made claims of being ready to topple iDevices a few times, but thus far nothing.

Android has made real strides, but it still feels slightly clunky to me. When I use my iPhone and then try an Android device the Android offering just feels a little slow. It seems like it's input response times that are still lacking.

But for the right price point I think the Android powered devices will make in-roads into the more budget minded users. But for the higher end market I think they still have a ways to go before they can take big chunks of Apple's market share. Even longer before they "topple" anything.
 

Puddle Jumper

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I'll believe it when I see it. I think the non-Apple versions of things (tablets and phones) have made claims of being ready to topple iDevices a few times, but thus far nothing.

Android has made real strides, but it still feels slightly clunky to me. When I use my iPhone and then try an Android device the Android offering just feels a little slow. It seems like it's input response times that are still lacking.

But for the right price point I think the Android powered devices will make in-roads into the more budget minded users. But for the higher end market I think they still have a ways to go before they can take big chunks of Apple's market share. Even longer before they "topple" anything.

Ironically the iPhones are the ones with lacking input response times compared to the Galaxy Note 3.
 

dmw16

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Ironically the iPhones are the ones with lacking input response times compared to the Galaxy Note 3.

I can't say as I've messed with that one. However, my beef with the Note 3 is the size. It looks ridiculous and seems like it would be a real burden to use one-handed much less holding it to your head to use as a phone.

A bunch of different "nothing"s combine to be a whole lot of something, even in institutional sales.

The drop in iPad sales isn't really surprising. Up until recently there was really no legitimate alternative device. Now there are. Which is great for the consumer especially if it drives down prices. However, Apple still owns 59% of the market which doesn't seem very "toppled" to me.

When the 3 device line-up that costs no-less than $299 can be brought down to below 50% of the market share then maybe the competition is really make in-roads. Before that I just don't see it.

I'm not saying Apple is awesome and can't be wrong and all that stuff. All I'm saying is I think there is this unfounded idea that other companies are really beating Apple and up to this point I just don't see it.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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If Apple makes a Surface-like iPad that will be the fastest turn around I've ever seen since they were literally just mocking it in their last unveiling.

I can't really see the need or point of a "Pro" iPad when they have the Air. Anything they put out in the $500-1000 space will eat into the sales of the Air.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Ironically the iPhones are the ones with lacking input response times compared to the Galaxy Note 3.

Android is nowhere near as smooth as iOS.

It's gotten better, but it's still far laggier and buggier than any mobile operating system I've ever used. Also, I'm strictly talking about the Google-only experience, not whatever shitware Samsung/HTC have decided to lop onto the OS.
 

zerogear

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Android is nowhere near as smooth as iOS.

It's gotten better, but it's still far laggier and buggier than any mobile operating system I've ever used. Also, I'm strictly talking about the Google-only experience, not whatever shitware Samsung/HTC have decided to lop onto the OS.

As someone who frequently switches devices, I find this to be a half truth, unless you are actively looking for lags, which people just don't do unless it's an obsessive compulsion. I see both lags in iOS and (stock) Android, doing different tasks. And even then iOS7 is far buggier than the current incarnation of Android 4.4.
 

jpiniero

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I can't really see the need or point of a "Pro" iPad when they have the Air. Anything they put out in the $500-1000 space will eat into the sales of the Air.

I think that's the point though. Imagine if the iPad Pro has a 4K screen. People would eat that up.
 

s44

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I can't really see the need or point of a "Pro" iPad when they have the Air. Anything they put out in the $500-1000 space will eat into the sales of the Air.
That's not a bug, it's a feature.

On the tablet side, getting people to buy more expensive stuff is a big win.

On the laptop side, the Macbook Airs are about the only reasonably priced devices in Apple's lineup. That means they aren't making them enough profit. Remember, literally hundreds of dollars per device are going to Intel to use their ULV Haswells. If those sales switch to a Swift-powered iPad Pro...

Also, the screens on the MBAs are shit.
 

s44

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Heh, has this guy been just reading my posts?
Analyst Patrick Wang of Evercore Partners speculates that Apple will release a 12-inch iPad Pro model. [...] He expects the iPad device to be a hybrid of sorts, and a direct competitor to what Microsoft has been trying to accomplish with the Surface line of products. [...] The analyst cited the cost of production for the MacBook Air versus the iPad as support for his claim. The chipset of the MacBook Air accounts for 22% of its materials’ cost. The iPad chip on the other hand makes up only 4% of its production cost.
 

you2

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The one thing I really dislike about the new samsung tablet is the lack of a kickstand (or similar). The other thing is I don't like the backing on the pro note; still i wanted a 12-13 inch tablet so maybe one of these will do if the price is reasoanble. Kind of wish the non-lte version had the snapdragon.
 
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