2015 m3/m4

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Lifer
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-drives/first-drive-2015-m3-m4

http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m3/2015/road-test.html

"Compared to the two-door M4, the sedan body is actually narrower, though they share the same track widths. That means the M3's wheel arches stick out more outrageously so the two cars can share their forged aluminum suspension pieces, ultra-rigid rear end subframe, brakes and 18-inch forged alloy wheels. It also means you'll have to be more careful parking it next to a curb.

The narrower sedan body translates to slightly less shoulder room than the M4, though the M3's rear-seat passengers have significantly more head- and shoulder room. It's also heavier than the M4 coupe, with a curb weight of 3,351 pounds, versus 3,301 for the two-door. The dual-clutch transmission will add an extra 44 pounds as well."



"Despite the twin-power name, that N55 makes do with a single blower, but this S55B30 gets a pair, each operating a trio of cylinders. While power climbs only slightly over the old V8, from 414 hp to 424 hp, the torque curve is on another planet. Instead of 295 lb-ft at 3900 rpm, you get 406 lb-ft all the way from 1800-5500 rpm, and that comprehensively transforms the way this car drives—and how much more mischief you can now get up to. "

" Curves that required second gear before can now be dispatched in third. Cheeky on-ramp powerslides that used to last 100 ft now feel like they’d last all the way onto the highway and onto the off-ramp a junction down. Roll onto the gas hard in second gear in moving traffic, and the bespoke Michelin Pilot sports will actually spin up. Go for the seven-speed DCT dual-clutch transmission, and besides the expected launch control, which will scoot you from 0-62 mph in 4.1 seconds (down 0.7 seconds), there’s a smoky-burnout mode. Instead of building power against the brake to be a holeshot hero, you simply mash the right pedal from idle, the revs swing up to 3500 rpm, the clutch engages with a bang, and you’re left sawing at the wheel as the car slews up the road. Not the fastest way to get off the line, but a whole lot of fun.

Opt for the six-speed manual and those two features are down to your own clutch control (and total lack of mechanical sympathy). But there are good reasons to go for the stick. Price is one. The DCT will set you back $2900. Weight is another. This manual ’box comes from the old 1 M and weighs 26.5 lbs less than the old one, 88 lbs less than the DCT. And it’s a really sweet change. First gear is longer than on the double-clutch, but from there on, the gearing is pretty close through sixth, the key difference being that the DCT has the benefit of a long seventh ratio for cruising. tle or exit in plumes of smoke is up to you, but the traction is actually really strong, and there’s virtually no understeer. The default DSC-on setting has been tuned to be uber-safe so as not to freak out drivers used to unflappable Audi RS AWD traction, but the middle-setting MDM (M Dynamic Mode) is properly fun, allowing some serious angles before cutting in, and then doing so as smoothly as a lounge lizard at a 1950s dance.

Equally smooth is the change in rack gearing as you move the steering from the straight ahead to the lockstops. It’s way more subtle than in something like a 3 Series sedan with optional sport steering, which just feels plain odd on the track. This is actually the first time BMW has fitted an electric rack to an M3, but you’d never know it, so convincing are the sensations. We enjoyed it best in Sport rather than over-weighty Sport Plus, or one-finger Comfort, and mated to the sharpest of the three engine maps. As with the M5, you can save your favorite settings and call them up by pressing one of two buttons on the steering wheel.



 
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Lifer
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Instead of 295 lb-ft at 3900 rpm, you get 406 lb-ft all the way from 1800-5500 rpm, and that comprehensively transforms the way this car drives—and how much more mischief you can now get up to.

Holy drool. 3300lbs isn't bad at all either.
 

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Lifer
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That number might not be accurate.... I'm reading 3500 over at bimmerpost but R&T/Edmunds have it in the 3300's
 

phucheneh

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The integration of components onto the engine is getting a bit ridiculous.

Replacing spark plugs
1. remove intercooler

I pity the mechanics who have to work on these engines.

BMW honestly isn't typically that bad. They seem to understand that the components have to be removed.

How to remove a component that is in the way of replacing something on BMW: Remove bolts. Disengage clips. Ect.

How to remove a component that is in the way of replacing something on Ford: Travel to Hogwarts. Become a wizard. Ect.

Domestic carmarkers are great at turning what should be simple into disassembling a ship in a bottle.

edit: oh, and the 2014 Mazda3 with the GM interior in the OP isn't much to my liking.
 

dirtboy

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So that puts the M4 Convertible about a year out, then a year after that for the lease rates to become reasonable... I'll be a buyer then.
 

Railgun

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BMW hasn't put a lot into their interior design as of late. While it's certainly functional, it's a far cry from Audi.

Though with everyone doing this pop up like display...I think that's horrible and seems like an afterthought rather than the integrated hoods in the E9xs.

The intstrument cluster itself with it's dynamic bottom is pretty nice though. I had driven a 530D GT in 2011 and the info you get was pretty nice. The HUD is a welcome addition too.

Also, having had a 335i back when...while you're not getting your high RPM anymore, when done well, a proper turbo setup is pretty sweet. I'm looking forward to test driving one of these. The torque is something the E9x was sorely missing. Not that that motor wasn't one of the best sounding V8s ever...especially uncorked.

Weight is listed as:

Automatic transmission - 3585 lbs
Manual transmission - 3530 lbs
 
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The e90 is special... I think it's much better than the e46.

I have an E90 330i and an E46 M3. In some ways I do think the E90 chassis is superior - it has better turn-in and overall I prefer the steering feel. I do personally prefer the S54 to the S65 - its noise and high-strung nature are just more to my taste - but I have no doubt I would be faster in an E90 than an E46. Personally I think the E46 M3 is one of the most beautiful modern cars, and the styling of the E90/E92/E93 has always left me a little cold, but that is not something that concerns me much.

I imagine your E93 is a fantastic car, though intellectually I have a hard time with a 4,000-pound sports coupe. The weight of that car has always shocked me a bit.
 
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dirtboy

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I have an E90 330i and an E46 M3. In some ways I do think the E90 chassis is superior - it has better turn-in and overall I prefer the steering feel. I do personally prefer the S54 to the S65 - its noise and high-strung nature are just more to my taste - but I have no doubt I would be faster in an E90 than an E46. Personally I think the E46 M3 is one of the most beautiful modern cars, and the styling of the E90/E92/E93 has always left me a little cold, but that is not something that concerns me much.

I imagine your E93 is a fantastic car, though intellectually I have a hard time with a 4,000-pound sports coupe. The weight of that car has always shocked me a bit.

It is heavy... I'm not going to deny it. I didn't buy it to race. Beyond that it's a fantastic car. The only car I've ever own that even after 2 years it still puts a smile on my face when I hit the gas.
 

rh71

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I felt the new electric steering in an F15 X5 and while it was a lot easier to drive around (it's a heavy car), it was completely different than feeling connected to the road like my E70. A lot of people agree the electric steering kills the traditional BMW feel. Sad to hear they went the same route with the M3/M4. The F10 M5 still had hydraulic and it would've been nice if they kept the Ms that way at least. What a sweet drive that M5 was - 575hp w/ comp pkg.
 
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I felt the new electric steering in an F15 X5 and while it was a lot easier to drive around (it's a heavy car), it was completely different than feeling connected to the road like my E70. A lot of people agree the electric steering kills the traditional BMW feel. Sad to hear they went the same route with the M3/M4. The F10 M5 still had hydraulic and it would've been nice if they kept the Ms that way at least. What a sweet drive that M5 was - 575hp w/ comp pkg.

I agree. How much fuel is actually saved by electric power steering? I can't imagine it being a very significant amount.
 

rh71

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I agree. How much fuel is actually saved by electric power steering? I can't imagine it being a very significant amount.

This article says 1mpg. It also shows in their blind test that electric was actually favored to some degree. Then it also states this...

528i (electric) vs. 535i (hydraulic or HPS)
We learned from these measurements that the rise in steering effort immediately off-center is significantly quicker and higher with HPS, giving the 535i a tighter, more connected feeling in straight-ahead driving. Also, all 12 of the 535i traces (only two of which are shown) depict significantly less wander and deviation than is evident in the 528i plots. In other words, the buildup and decay of steering effort during back-and-forth maneuvers is more consistent with HPS, an advantage useful during passing maneuvers. Higher efforts do not equate to better feedback, but at least the 535i’s on-center characteristics lend a more secure sensation on the highway.

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ering-a-comprehensive-comparison-test-feature
 

halik

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I have an E90 330i and an E46 M3. In some ways I do think the E90 chassis is superior - it has better turn-in and overall I prefer the steering feel. I do personally prefer the S54 to the S65 - its noise and high-strung nature are just more to my taste - but I have no doubt I would be faster in an E90 than an E46. Personally I think the E46 M3 is one of the most beautiful modern cars, and the styling of the E90/E92/E93 has always left me a little cold, but that is not something that concerns me much.

I imagine your E93 is a fantastic car, though intellectually I have a hard time with a 4,000-pound sports coupe. The weight of that car has always shocked me a bit.

Agreed on all points, especially the steering. I was shocked how good it is on my brother's 335i, even compared to my 911.
 

andylawcc

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BMW honestly isn't typically that bad. They seem to understand that the components have to be removed.

How to remove a component that is in the way of replacing something on BMW: Remove bolts. Disengage clips. Ect.

How to remove a component that is in the way of replacing something on Ford: Travel to Hogwarts. Become a wizard. Ect.

lmao
 

Zargon

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thank god a 4 door. I might actually be able to buy one in 4 years when they come off lease
 

uOpt

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I didn't drive an M4 but from driving the 435 I am very skeptical about the whole F30 series as a car for me. I don't know whether it's the electric steering or the runflats or the body roll or the weight but I really didn't like how it drove.
 

SSSnail

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I didn't drive an M4 but from driving the 435 I am very skeptical about the whole F30 series as a car for me. I don't know whether it's the electric steering or the runflats or the body roll or the weight but I really didn't like how it drove.

It's a combination of all of them. You really need the M-Sports package for it to work properly (and change the tires).
 

uOpt

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It's a combination of all of them. You really need the M-Sports package for it to work properly (and change the tires).

The 435 one I drove had both M-sport and DHP. Sorry

There is some hope that the pure M-sport suspension is better than DHP but that isn't available in the M4.

My request to change the tires for the test drive has been politely declined. Wussies.
 

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The 435 one I drove had both M-sport and DHP. Sorry

There is some hope that the pure M-sport suspension is better than DHP but that isn't available in the M4.

My request to change the tires for the test drive has been politely declined. Wussies.
And you selected Sports + during your test drive? But yeah, the car feels big and boated. I think it's meant to be a luxury coupe rather than a sports coupe. The 2 series is what you want if it's driving experience you sought.
 
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