2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

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Not going to discount Gore.. I thought he was done a couple seasons back and then he popped off two 1k years in a row.

David Cobb might be a good fit.. 5-6th round.
 

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T rich better not get a contract. Guys like that Shouldnt have a place in the NFL. Guy is the worst kind of player. Selfish and always thinks its every one else that has the problem.

Unfortunately I think he gets a contract somewhere.. and wouldn't be surprised if its the 49ers. Baalke loves those 1st round guys who didn't do much.
 

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Not going to discount Gore.. I thought he was done a couple seasons back and then he popped off two 1k years in a row.

David Cobb might be a good fit.. 5-6th round.

david cobb is gonna be one of the steals of the draft. I know alot of guys have him as a fifth rounder or 4th rounder but a couple teams have him as a second round talent. He may go earlier.

didnt gore have a strained arch a few years ago? those take forever to heal and he played trough it like a champ.


http://walterfootball.com/draft2015RB.php

walter and bunch of people have Cobb below guys like Buck Allen and Langford and I just dont see that. I see him getting picked right after Abdullah and TJ Yeldon though I would take him ahead of Yeldon and possibly Abdullah because of his size.


javorius Buck Allen would be a good fit for the 49ers too. Guy is totally underrated.
 

smackababy

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Unfortunately I think he gets a contract somewhere.. and wouldn't be surprised if its the 49ers. Baalke loves those 1st round guys who didn't do much.

Yeah, I don't get why Richardson is awful. I mean, he was terrible at Cleveland, but so is everyone else, so I kind of forgave that. Then, he went into Indy and was just bad when he ran the ball. Alternatively, when he caught the ball beyond the LoS, he was phenomenal. Maybe he just lacks vision. Perhaps, he would do good on the Cowboys, where the line can open a hole the size of Texas so he doesn't have to find it.
 

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Yeah, I don't get why Richardson is awful. I mean, he was terrible at Cleveland, but so is everyone else, so I kind of forgave that. Then, he went into Indy and was just bad when he ran the ball. Alternatively, when he caught the ball beyond the LoS, he was phenomenal. Maybe he just lacks vision. Perhaps, he would do good on the Cowboys, where the line can open a hole the size of Texas so he doesn't have to find it.

his vision between the tackles this year was horrible. He had some holes to run through and he would run into the guard and lose yardage half the time. he has physical tools so get him in space and he can run a little but you cant depend ont he guy.


hes the rb equivalent to Cutler.....



Cowboys sign Mcfadden.


Washington signs Culliver for 8 million per


HOLY CRAP is that big money
 
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david cobb is gonna be one of the steals of the draft. I know alot of guys have him as a fifth rounder or 4th rounder but a couple teams have him as a second round talent. He may go earlier.

didnt gore have a strained arch a few years ago? those take forever to heal and he played trough it like a champ.


http://walterfootball.com/draft2015RB.php

walter and bunch of people have Cobb below guys like Buck Allen and Langford and I just dont see that. I see him getting picked right after Abdullah and TJ Yeldon though I would take him ahead of Yeldon and possibly Abdullah because of his size.


javorius Buck Allen would be a good fit for the 49ers too. Guy is totally underrated.

I really like Cobb. The 49ers draft a RB every year and can see someone like him being the pick.
 

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Lol. It's Always Funny in Philadelphia! :biggrin:

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Prove that you are worth this investment, DeMarco Murray, and you can rescue a profession, a coach, a philosophy and a city.

No pressure.
 

smackababy

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Cowboys sign Mcfadden.

2 year $5.8m. Can't say I love McHurtALot, but that isn't a huge price for would could be good production, if he stays healthy (which he wont, so it gives Randle and Dunbar some chance to prove they can be the starting back in the future).
 

manimal

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Ugh.. not worth the 8mil but sad to see him go even with all his troubles.
ya he played well but damn thats alot of money.

2 year $5.8m. Can't say I love McHurtALot, but that isn't a huge price for would could be good production, if he stays healthy (which he wont, so it gives Randle and Dunbar some chance to prove they can be the starting back in the future).

I think they bring in another vet like Pierre Thomas. Hope the bears give Thomas a look. Guy can block and catch and run.
 

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Saints sign Spiller. Looks like Brees gets a new even faster Darren Sproles to play with, with one exception - Spiller can't block for shit.
 

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Saints sign Spiller. Looks like Brees gets a new even faster Darren Sproles to play with, with one exception - Spiller can't block for shit.

Good signing for NO.


NO just traded Kenny Stills for a third and LB Ellerbe from the fins.



Wow NO is doing what the bears should have done this year. Stockpile picks in the deepest draft in years.
 

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Good signing for NO.


NO just traded Kenny Stills for a third and LB Ellerbe from the fins.



Wow NO is doing what the bears should have done this year. Stockpile picks in the deepest draft in years.

Payton & Loomis were not lying when they said big changes were coming, they are upsetting the apple cart this off season.
 

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Good signing for NO.


NO just traded Kenny Stills for a third and LB Ellerbe from the fins.



Wow NO is doing what the bears should have done this year. Stockpile picks in the deepest draft in years.

Deep in some spots (DL, WR, OL, maybe RB), but certainly not spectacular in secondary, QBs, etc. For NO, it is a good move. For the Bears, they are stuck with Cutlet until they can get an upgrade, as they are already paying him $15 million for the season, regardless.
 

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Deep in some spots (DL, WR, OL, maybe RB), but certainly not spectacular in secondary, QBs, etc. For NO, it is a good move. For the Bears, they are stuck with Cutlet until they can get an upgrade, as they are already paying him $15 million for the season, regardless.

There is a faint rumor going around that the Saints are going to draft Mariota, I doubt that happens though.
 

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Least surprising news ever to close the books on the worst trade in at least the last decade or so. Still don't think Gore is a full-fledged RB1 at this point so I'm wondering who else the Colts are going to sign unless they're going to rely on Ballard's ACL not to explode for a 3rd time or think that Boom Herron can be effective enough paired with Gore to effectively make a complete RB1.

You are taking a beating for this comment so I will back you up. Does that make you change your opinion?

Gore is going to be 32 years old and has a lot of wear on the tires. And as a Seattle fan I see a lot of Gore--he is definitely slowing down IMO. For those reasons I think this was a HUGE reach and overpay. Indy is paying him $8.5M the next two years of which $6.5M fully guaranteed. Only 8 rushers have more guaranteed money in their contracts.

Putting aside 2014, Santa Clara has had a very good run blocking line, probably the best in the league from 2011-2013. That needs to be taken into consideration when looking at his performance. His contribution in the passing game has substantially declined, party as he needs more rest (last 4 seasons Gore averaged 150 yards on 18 receptions a season; before that he was a 40+ catch 400+ yard guy). Since 2007 Gore is a guy who has consistently put up 1,100-1,200 yards seasons but with an observable decline in abilities (not a knock--Lynch has lost a step since his 4.4 combine but is still a monster), general decline in workload, and seeing a general and expected regression in average per carries I don't think he has a ton left in the tank. Rushers tend to drop off a cliff as they age. Some last longer before they drop off and Gore is a magnificent example of longevity at RB.

I think Indy's line is worse than Santa Claras. I think Gore has less in the tank the next 2 years than he did the previous 2 years. I think even though Santa Clara reduced his workload he still show decline. I think Gore will average less than 4.0 yards a carrier the next 2 years and post less than 1,800 yards over those 2 season. This will be a huge overspend on a 32-33 year old back. It is the WRONG way for Indy to build a team.

For $4M avg. a season they cold have gotten the much younger (25 right now) Mark Engram. For less guaranteed money, 1 more year on the contract, and a lot less wear and tear.
 

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Deep in some spots (DL, WR, OL, maybe RB), but certainly not spectacular in secondary, QBs, etc. For NO, it is a good move. For the Bears, they are stuck with Cutlet until they can get an upgrade, as they are already paying him $15 million for the season, regardless.

One of the reasons we are seeing such high prices for FA corners is the lack of quality ones coming out.


While this draft doesnt have many good QBs and corners its incredibly stocked with good depth in most other postions. Safety is a little weak athletically but like last year we will see a few corners turned into safeties and a few guys looked at for Big nickle packages like the Cards did with that rookie this year.


There are 12-15 quality recievers and more than 10 possible starters at rb. There are 10 quality Defensive lineman and there should be develeopmental starters all the way into the fifth round.

Guys like Bud Dupree would have been a top 10 pick most other years now some lucky ass team will see him the the high teens and low 20s.


Hell look at how many starting caliber RTs there are this year. Tons of Guard prospects and about 5 real LT prospects. NO is doing the smart thing.


Bears could have easily eaten the contract. sure it would have been painful this year in dead money but someone would have signed him offsetting the pain a little bit. The bears real problem was there wasnt anyone worth replacing him for. That was their problem. They dont have enough picks to make a move.


They could have easily signed Hoyer and Moore and kept Fales as the third and have gotten the same production that they got from Cutlet.


Going back to a guy like Cutlet is terrible for the team. EVERYONE and their sister saw Cutty sabotage the team. HE LITERALLY refused to audible when the line was stacked. He also freelanced on plays and caused sacks when there was good coverage.


GUY is a see it and stick it player. He is incapable of really running an offense.

Sure they could have a little success if they run a ton of play action and work the middle of the field but cutty proved he isnt accurate enough to play small ball.


I think Jimmy ends up starting after five games this year.
 

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For $4M avg. a season they cold have gotten the much younger (25 right now) Mark Engram. For less guaranteed money, 1 more year on the contract, and a lot less wear and tear.

Ingram took a home town discount, he could have gotten more than the 4 million a year from quite a few other teams including the Colts.
 

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You are taking a beating for this comment so I will back you up. Does that make you change your opinion?

Gore is going to be 32 years old and has a lot of wear on the tires. And as a Seattle fan I see a lot of Gore--he is definitely slowing down IMO. For those reasons I think this was a HUGE reach and overpay. Indy is paying him $8.5M the next two years of which $6.5M fully guaranteed. Only 8 rushers have more guaranteed money in their contracts.

Putting aside 2014, Santa Clara has had a very good run blocking line, probably the best in the league from 2011-2013. That needs to be taken into consideration when looking at his performance. His contribution in the passing game has substantially declined, party as he needs more rest (last 4 seasons Gore averaged 150 yards on 18 receptions a season; before that he was a 40+ catch 400+ yard guy). Since 2007 Gore is a guy who has consistently put up 1,100-1,200 yards seasons but with an observable decline in abilities (not a knock--Lynch has lost a step since his 4.4 combine but is still a monster), general decline in workload, and seeing a general and expected regression in average per carries I don't think he has a ton left in the tank. Rushers tend to drop off a cliff as they age. Some last longer before they drop off and Gore is a magnificent example of longevity at RB.

I think Indy's line is worse than Santa Claras. I think Gore has less in the tank the next 2 years than he did the previous 2 years. I think even though Santa Clara reduced his workload he still show decline. I think Gore will average less than 4.0 yards a carrier the next 2 years and post less than 1,800 yards over those 2 season. This will be a huge overspend on a 32-33 year old back. It is the WRONG way for Indy to build a team.

For $4M avg. a season they cold have gotten the much younger (25 right now) Mark Engram. For less guaranteed money, 1 more year on the contract, and a lot less wear and tear.

Gore's passing numbers went down cause Harbaugh and Roman didn't know how to call a screen if their life depended on it.. most of his passing yardage came on broken plays. Also, Miller started taking more of the passes as Gore was left to block.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gore does a ton more blitz pickups and stays in for pass protection more than he used to.
 

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Gore's passing numbers went down cause Harbaugh and Roman didn't know how to call a screen if their life depended on it.. most of his passing yardage came on broken plays. Also, Miller started taking more of the passes as Gore was left to block.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gore does a ton more blitz pickups and stays in for pass protection more than he used to.
Or a play action... God that would have wonders for the offensive. Everyone writing off Gore will be wrong. He has plenty of carries, but if you actually watch him run, he tries to avoid damage, hard to explain, but he doesn't give up on plays but if he knows someone is going to catch him from behind or has a sideline, he'll choose the option that results in least likely to get hit hard.

Plus trying to compare his rushing vs. the Seahawks, who EVERYONE but what Dallas, had crap rush yards? Plus I think everyone is giving too much credit for how good SF's O-line was in previous years, this past year they weren't as good.
 

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Or a play action... God that would have wonders for the offensive. Everyone writing off Gore will be wrong. He has plenty of carries, but if you actually watch him run, he tries to avoid damage, hard to explain, but he doesn't give up on plays but if he knows someone is going to catch him from behind or has a sideline, he'll choose the option that results in least likely to get hit hard.

Plus trying to compare his rushing vs. the Seahawks, who EVERYONE but what Dallas, had crap rush yards? Plus I think everyone is giving too much credit for how good SF's O-line was in previous years, this past year they weren't as good.

I'd love to be wrong and have Gore run have a couple career years. And hell, my earlier projection of 150/675 would be RB1 territory on quite a few teams; JAX TEN SD TB off the top of my head he'd be leading rusher and perhaps by a lot.
 

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Richardson files grievance against the Colts. Hopes to recoup some of the final year of his rookie contract they were able to opt of out due to his suspension. He is claiming he missed walkthroughs due to his wife having pregnancy complications and he had to rush her to the hospital; he further claims when he spoke with Pagano about either flying out to the championship game on his own dime or rushing to try and make the team plane before it left, he was told not to worry about it and "we weren't going to dress you anyway".
 
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