2016 Ford GT and GT350 R (Updated with moar Raptor)

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Ferzerp

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Every time I see people say "markup" I have to snicker to myself. Dealers who don't want to sell cars put a "market adjustment" on all sorts of vehicles. That doesn't mean you can't get one for MSRP or lower. It just means that certain dealers are looking for a sucker to come along. (#notalldealers)
 

Topweasel

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Which makes no sense. The P1 is faster than Ferrari's offerings in the 0-60 and has a top speed that is electronically limited to be just under the F12s (217 vs 220). Now, neither have a Top Gear track time listed, but it is reported the P1 beat the Huayra (but that was from McLaren, so take it as you will). I also imagine the 918 is faster.
The Ferrari is geared for the track its not electronically limited it just runs out of gears. It's supposed to be a track monster. Has more power and less weight then the P1. It's also only RWD, so yeah slower from the gun, but I think it would be a challenge to beat on the track. But I don't see us getting hard numbers any time soon.

I admit to being a bit of a Ferrari slappy. But I like Mclaren and want them to be a good Super/Hyper competitor for not only Ferrari but the others as well. Just in the end while its a car worthy of its price. I think in the end the P1 isn't as hyper as the other two.
 

Topweasel

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I've never heard anyone say that. Everywhere I read and everyone I talk to picks the P1 over the Porsche and Ferrari.
The McLaren P1 was up first (and because McLaren refuses to be beaten, also last), but Bovingdon seemed non-plussed. He described the sensations using rather embellished vocabulary, but it seems to me that his heart just wasn't in it. This became clear when he started discussing the negatives. The industrialised sound and feeling. How he felt that the P1 ached to go faster, round quicker, be both meaner and yet nimbler, but just couldn't. All those embellishments aside, I feel Bovingdon walked away less than impressed, and didn't have nearly as much fun as he had hoped he would have had.
His reaction to the Porsche 918 Spyder was entirely different. I would probably have been annoyed by the Spyder aspect of the Spyder (I'm not one for going 120MPH with the top open, but maybe that's just because even with clips, ties, and hairbands, my bangs always seem to fly directly into my face), but frankly it just looked more fun than the P1. It sounded more fun, and Bovingdon clearly appeared to be having more fun. It was far easier to believe his embellished language and literary flourishes about the 918 because the look on his face, his stance in the seat, the grip of the wheel... I could really tell he was living, breathing, existing in the 918 in a way he just well, wasn't, in the P1.
It's just one and it was a tire change from beating the 918 on track. But even when setting the fastest time. The driver didn't enjoy it as much as the 918. There are several others out there. I think the P1 will do good against the LF, it beats the 918. But at the end of the day I think it probably is the most compromised of the the 3. Wanna track car that makes you feel on the edge get a LF. Wanna super fast insane road car with crazy technology get the 918 spider.

Doesn't matter all of the three are spoken for. They are all bedroom wall material. I really wasn't trying to "attack" the P1. Just give an alternate opinion to the idea of filling a supercar with hybrid stuff.

Or a TG comparison below as their final decision (not the big three guys though) when comparing the three.

The Ferrari, on the other hand, felt resolutely old-school next to the P1 and the 918. A big N/A V12, with the hybrid element only there to help boost the ICE engine, it feels the least hybrid of the three here, the most ‘pure'. But it's not. There's absolutely no way a car could have that kind of throttle response without electric help, no way it could actually be able to handle nearly 1000bhp with so much ease. The Ferrari feels like it's entirely natural to have this kind of power on the road, and to use it. It feels like a 458 Speciale on steroids. It rides, it has simply jaw-dropping - though polarizing - looks, and a noise to make knees weak. I love the seating position (much better than the too-upright seats in the P1 or especially the Porsche), I‘m keen on the ultra-fast steering, the gearbox, the throttle response and again the noise. I love the fact that it's such a linear response to every situation. It has all that tech, and yet it doesn't feel like it. What's more incredible is that I'm not a fan of the Ferrari brand - it just doesn't chime with me. I much prefer the idea of saying that I drive a McLaren. But what you can't deny, is that beyond all the Ferrari-branded tat and faint air of arrogance, Ferrari makes some pretty astonishing cars. And if I had to choose a car to drive, the hypercar to keep right now, then I would have the Ferrari LaFerrari. Stupid name and all.
 
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MagickMan

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I must say I am startled by that pricing. I think the car looks amazing and I love the Ford GT legacy, but $400K for a V6-powered sports car feels . . . excessive.
 

Fenixgoon

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400k seems a bit much. i think if it had been 150 it would be an easy sell. even 200 wouldn't be so bad.
 
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Yeah I don't know what Ford is thinking there. I could see it pushing 200-250k, was expecting an MSRP around 150k with some excessively priced options, but this is outlandish. I don't know, maybe that "over 600hp" will be more 700-800 with a 9000RPM basically race engine (with costly special equipment to get it to meet emissions) when it releases.

I'm guessing all that bodywork in carbon fiber is the culprit, and to me, that's ridiculous as it doesn't look that spectacular that I think that'd be worth it.

But then we've also seen the ultra-premium market seem to grow majorly, despite there being even more competition. Companies are having no problem selling all they can (and actually some like Ferrari are having to intentionally rein in productions in order to keep their exclusivity).
 

MagickMan

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Well, they're only making 500 of them, so they're not really worried about them being a huge sales success.
 

senseamp

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Pricing is good, if they priced it less, dealers would mark it up to 400k anyways. Better Ford get that money.
 

angminas

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I must say I am startled by that pricing. I think the car looks amazing and I love the Ford GT legacy, but $400K for a V6-powered sports car feels . . . excessive.

# of cylinders is meaningless. End product is what matters. If it looks great, runs great, and sounds great, I don't care if it has one cylinder. If not, I don't care if it has 16 cylinders.
 

twinrider1

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Love it all, but could they have picked a more hideous color for the auto show? What creative nitwit decided an off-blue that almost looks pastel would be a good thing on a stage?

What are you talking about? Those vehicles are white and gold.

 
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aleckz

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Not sure what I think of that new Raptor yet. A twin-turbo v6 seems somehow... wrong.

I agree, but the 12mpg or less from the 6.2 was probably the reason it got the 3.5EB. Now it might get 13.5 mpg! yay!
 

Vdubchaos

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SO Ford jumps on the "hybrid" band wagon.

Sad

Nice Mustang, at least that one is not ruined.....yet.
 

ghost recon88

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Well, they're only making 500 of them, so they're not really worried about them being a huge sales success.

Where did you read only 500? And after R&D plus materials, I wonder what each car really is costing Ford? Must be a pretty hefty markup if they can sell them for $400k after they were able to make a profit on them last time around at only $150k. Sure they might cost more to make this time around, but they can't be THAT much more expensive to produce.
 
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Where did you read only 500? And after R&D plus materials, I wonder what each car really is costing Ford? Must be a pretty hefty markup if they can sell them for $400k after they were able to make a profit on them last time around at only $150k. Sure they might cost more to make this time around, but they can't be THAT much more expensive to produce.

I'd guess they do cost a lot more. The previous one was basically an aluminum space frame with some carbon fiber bodyparts (I don't think most of the complex parts, like the rear canopy was carbon fiber, could be wrong though). It was a lot simpler design and engineering than this one. This one the whole body is carbon and with the buttresses and everything will be a lot more difficult to make, and packaging a turned up ecoboost (I'd guess it's output is similar to the race version but those have more space and ventilation I believe) in that tapered backside could prove troublesome.
 

MagickMan

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Where did you read only 500? And after R&D plus materials, I wonder what each car really is costing Ford? Must be a pretty hefty markup if they can sell them for $400k after they were able to make a profit on them last time around at only $150k. Sure they might cost more to make this time around, but they can't be THAT much more expensive to produce.

They're making 250 /year and probably only for 2 years, so that comes out to 500. I doubt they'll break even, but that's not the point of a halo car.
 
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