Ancalagon44
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"I think the FGT will be a budget supercar, like $60k to $70k"
How is it going to compete with other similarly priced but much faster cars?
"I think the FGT will be a budget supercar, like $60k to $70k"
How is it going to compete with other similarly priced but much faster cars?
The Ferrari is geared for the track its not electronically limited it just runs out of gears. It's supposed to be a track monster. Has more power and less weight then the P1. It's also only RWD, so yeah slower from the gun, but I think it would be a challenge to beat on the track. But I don't see us getting hard numbers any time soon.Which makes no sense. The P1 is faster than Ferrari's offerings in the 0-60 and has a top speed that is electronically limited to be just under the F12s (217 vs 220). Now, neither have a Top Gear track time listed, but it is reported the P1 beat the Huayra (but that was from McLaren, so take it as you will). I also imagine the 918 is faster.
I've never heard anyone say that. Everywhere I read and everyone I talk to picks the P1 over the Porsche and Ferrari.
It's just one and it was a tire change from beating the 918 on track. But even when setting the fastest time. The driver didn't enjoy it as much as the 918. There are several others out there. I think the P1 will do good against the LF, it beats the 918. But at the end of the day I think it probably is the most compromised of the the 3. Wanna track car that makes you feel on the edge get a LF. Wanna super fast insane road car with crazy technology get the 918 spider.The McLaren P1 was up first (and because McLaren refuses to be beaten, also last), but Bovingdon seemed non-plussed. He described the sensations using rather embellished vocabulary, but it seems to me that his heart just wasn't in it. This became clear when he started discussing the negatives. The industrialised sound and feeling. How he felt that the P1 ached to go faster, round quicker, be both meaner and yet nimbler, but just couldn't. All those embellishments aside, I feel Bovingdon walked away less than impressed, and didn't have nearly as much fun as he had hoped he would have had.
His reaction to the Porsche 918 Spyder was entirely different. I would probably have been annoyed by the Spyder aspect of the Spyder (I'm not one for going 120MPH with the top open, but maybe that's just because even with clips, ties, and hairbands, my bangs always seem to fly directly into my face), but frankly it just looked more fun than the P1. It sounded more fun, and Bovingdon clearly appeared to be having more fun. It was far easier to believe his embellished language and literary flourishes about the 918 because the look on his face, his stance in the seat, the grip of the wheel... I could really tell he was living, breathing, existing in the 918 in a way he just well, wasn't, in the P1.
The Ferrari, on the other hand, felt resolutely old-school next to the P1 and the 918. A big N/A V12, with the hybrid element only there to help boost the ICE engine, it feels the least hybrid of the three here, the most ‘pure'. But it's not. There's absolutely no way a car could have that kind of throttle response without electric help, no way it could actually be able to handle nearly 1000bhp with so much ease. The Ferrari feels like it's entirely natural to have this kind of power on the road, and to use it. It feels like a 458 Speciale on steroids. It rides, it has simply jaw-dropping - though polarizing - looks, and a noise to make knees weak. I love the seating position (much better than the too-upright seats in the P1 or especially the Porsche), I‘m keen on the ultra-fast steering, the gearbox, the throttle response and again the noise. I love the fact that it's such a linear response to every situation. It has all that tech, and yet it doesn't feel like it. What's more incredible is that I'm not a fan of the Ferrari brand - it just doesn't chime with me. I much prefer the idea of saying that I drive a McLaren. But what you can't deny, is that beyond all the Ferrari-branded tat and faint air of arrogance, Ferrari makes some pretty astonishing cars. And if I had to choose a car to drive, the hypercar to keep right now, then I would have the Ferrari LaFerrari. Stupid name and all.
Not that crazy about the new FGT, but it isn't bad.
However, if a 600HP V6 is all it has, I don't see it really competing with the new Honda NSX.
I think the FGT will be a budget supercar, like $60k to $70k. Something that can run rings around far more expensive cars. No hybrid drive train otherwise it would have been announced already.
I must say I am startled by that pricing. I think the car looks amazing and I love the Ford GT legacy, but $400K for a V6-powered sports car feels . . . excessive.
Love it all, but could they have picked a more hideous color for the auto show? What creative nitwit decided an off-blue that almost looks pastel would be a good thing on a stage?
Not sure what I think of that new Raptor yet. A twin-turbo v6 seems somehow... wrong.
SO Ford jumps on the "hybrid" band wagon.
Sad
Nice Mustang, at least that one is not ruined.....yet.
I agree, but the 12mpg or less from the 6.2 was probably the reason it got the 3.5EB. Now it might get 13.5 mpg! yay!
What on earth are you talking about? Hybrid?
Well, they're only making 500 of them, so they're not really worried about them being a huge sales success.
Where did you read only 500? And after R&D plus materials, I wonder what each car really is costing Ford? Must be a pretty hefty markup if they can sell them for $400k after they were able to make a profit on them last time around at only $150k. Sure they might cost more to make this time around, but they can't be THAT much more expensive to produce.
Where did you read only 500? And after R&D plus materials, I wonder what each car really is costing Ford? Must be a pretty hefty markup if they can sell them for $400k after they were able to make a profit on them last time around at only $150k. Sure they might cost more to make this time around, but they can't be THAT much more expensive to produce.
They're making 250 /year and probably only for 2 years, so that comes out to 500. I doubt they'll break even, but that's not the point of a halo car.