2016 Leaf = 107 miles

[Ns1]

I think it should be obvious that someone living in Forest, BFE is not the target market for an EV.

 

[Ferzerp]

I live in the mountains, where a tree down or mud slide on the main route can mean an extra 10-20 miles of driving to get around it. It happens a handful of times every winter. I can't have a car where picking a route to get home is a point of no return because I can't afford to backtrack.

The concept of bingo fuel in an automobile does bother me a little bit

 

[smackababy]

I think it should be obvious that someone living in Forest, BFE is not the target market for an EV.

What about when, on my way home from work, I decide I want to get something from a place far away. This whole "Oh, I need x miles for my daily commute so we are almost there!" is just silly. No. If I can't drive a full week to work and back before needing to refuel (regardless of how easy it is) the distance simply isn't worth it. Having to recharge my car every night is just dumb. I don't have to gas up every day and I shouldn't have to charge my car. They need more battery. And the only way to do that is to increase the battery capacity without increasing the weight (lowering it would be ideal).

 

[Ns1]

What about when, on my way home from work, I decide I want to get something from a place far away. This whole "Oh, I need x miles for my daily commute so we are almost there!" is just silly. No. If I can't drive a full week to work and back before needing to refuel (regardless of how easy it is) the distance simply isn't worth it. Having to recharge my car every night is just dumb. I don't have to gas up every day and I shouldn't have to charge my car. They need more battery. And the only way to do that is to increase the battery capacity without increasing the weight (lowering it would be ideal).

We get it, you're not the target market for an EV either.

 

[natto fire]

What about when, on my way home from work, I decide I want to get something from a place far away. This whole "Oh, I need x miles for my daily commute so we are almost there!" is just silly. No. If I can't drive a full week to work and back before needing to refuel (regardless of how easy it is) the distance simply isn't worth it. Having to recharge my car every night is just dumb. I don't have to gas up every day and I shouldn't have to charge my car. They need more battery. And the only way to do that is to increase the battery capacity without increasing the weight (lowering it would be ideal).

Not everyone is as close minded as you, hence why EV sales are increasing, not decreasing. Your unrealistic expectations for the battery and completely ignoring the maintenance gap between an ICE and BEV is pretty much trolling at this point. Ns1 is spot on, you don't like EVs, just move on and don't even click on EV threads like Vdubchaos finally did.

 

[Yuriman]

What about when, on my way home from work, I decide I want to get something from a place far away. This whole "Oh, I need x miles for my daily commute so we are almost there!" is just silly. No. If I can't drive a full week to work and back before needing to refuel (regardless of how easy it is) the distance simply isn't worth it. Having to recharge my car every night is just dumb. I don't have to gas up every day and I shouldn't have to charge my car. They need more battery. And the only way to do that is to increase the battery capacity without increasing the weight (lowering it would be ideal).

Gosh, you have to fill up every week? I'm 900 miles into my tank of gas, and will probably drive on it for another 3-4 days. If I had to refill every week, the distance just wouldn't be worth it.

 

[cabri]

Gosh, you have to fill up every week? I'm 900 miles into my tank of gas, and will probably drive on it for another 3-4 days. If I had to refill every week, the distance just wouldn't be worth it.

And you are probably using a hybrid not a ICE only. And if a hybrid; when are you charging it?

 

[Yuriman]

And you are probably using a hybrid not a ICE only. And if a hybrid; when are you charging it?

I'm not charging it.

EDIT: My point is, it's a matter of perspective. I wouldn't drive a <50mpg car, and lately I'm disappointed when I have a tank that's below 70.

 

[tweakmonkey]

It's OK for the people that need 400-900 mile EV range or whatever. They are just going to keep trolling the EV threads for the next 20 years.

But really, if you need to drive "out of the way" occasionally making a 300 mile round trip at 7 PM after work, you're a minority and 99% of people won't need the range you will. So when we're driving sweet 200+ mile range EVs every day, you can keep driving some gas guzzling F250 or whatever getting 7 MPG... cause you need that range. If I ever need to go more than 200 miles, I'm taking a plane or train. I'm over the whole "20 hour road trip" thing. And I'm sure if it ever comes to needing one, I'll be able to borrow/rent one.

 

[cabri]

I'm not charging it.

EDIT: My point is, it's a matter of perspective. I wouldn't drive a <50mpg car, and lately I'm disappointed when I have a tank that's below 70.

What is your vehicle that is providing 50-70mpg?

 

[Yuriman]

Action shot: 100mpg instantaneous @ 63mph, level terrain, 94mpg averaged over 35.7 miles.

118mpg averaged traveling 44mph over ~10 miles:

 

[natto fire]

I'm not charging it.

EDIT: My point is, it's a matter of perspective. I wouldn't drive a <50mpg car, and lately I'm disappointed when I have a tank that's below 70.

Thank you for the perspective, particularly with the fact that driving habits can change the variables almost as much a how the car is made.

Clearly this Nissan Leaf thread has gone way off track, but my argument has mainly been that batteries are unfortunate, and electric motors are vastly superior. You are living that dream, and I applaud you for jumping in this thread with your experience.

 

[dud]

107 is getting pretty close to what I would need for a daily driver. I really need ~120 to be able to handle the commute and client trips, plus have enough in reserve to not get stranded in the event of a road closure. Though it could be fun to scavenge power from places I park during the day where possible, I can't actually count on an outlet at any point other than at home.

It's frustrating that Nissan doesn't offer a piggy-back battery pack to add 50-100 additional miles. How hard would it be to design a simple pack that would fit into the cargo area and just raise the floor a bit? I'd happily pay another few thousand dollars for a warrantied option.

The 24kwh battery pack weighs in at about 650lbs. The Leaf comes in at about 3,300 lbs. an extra pack, IF you could find room for it would push vehicle weight to 2 tons. At that weight efficiency and mileage would probably suffer because of the extra weight. This assumes that the suspension would not have to be replaced to handle the extra weight.

 

[AdamK47]

Action shot: 100mpg instantaneous @ 63mph, level terrain, 94mpg averaged over 35.7 miles.


118mpg averaged traveling 44mph over ~10 miles:

On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate your smug factor?

 

[tweakmonkey]

I had an Insight. The only smug I noticed was attitude from people that thought I was bragging about MPG, when really I was just happy that I could go 700 miles on $25 and only had to buy gas once a month.

 

[Yuriman]

I had an Insight. The only smug I noticed was attitude from people that thought I was bragging about MPG, when really I was just happy that I could go 700 miles on $25 and only had to buy gas once a month.

Yeah, it's not smugness so much as a general disgust for the rest of the automobile industry. I couldn't see myself buying a car that got worse mileage, but nothing out there has been made yet that does better, except (arguably) an electric. But then you have limited range.

 

[Brovane]

What about when, on my way home from work, I decide I want to get something from a place far away. This whole "Oh, I need x miles for my daily commute so we are almost there!" is just silly. No. If I can't drive a full week to work and back before needing to refuel (regardless of how easy it is) the distance simply isn't worth it. Having to recharge my car every night is just dumb. I don't have to gas up every day and I shouldn't have to charge my car. They need more battery. And the only way to do that is to increase the battery capacity without increasing the weight (lowering it would be ideal).

Do you also get annoyed when you have to plug in your phone to charge it?

 

[Brovane]

The concept of bingo fuel in an automobile does bother me a little bit

Did you ever find also those Tesla owners in Barstow? Because obviously they put a Supercharger in Barstow to service those people.........:\

 

[smackababy]

Do you also get annoyed when you have to plug in your phone to charge it?

Yes. If I have to charge my phone every day, the battery isn't good enough. It should also be noted, you use your phone a lot more than you use your car in a typical day. Even with that, I don't want to be forced to charge my phone every day. Imagine, for example, if you happen to forget to charge your car in the night. So, I can't go to work today because my car doesn't have enough juice? Or, I have to be late? Yeah, no thanks.

I don't need to gas up my car every day, why should I be forced to charge my car? It simply isn't practical, especially for those of us that don't have the ability to install a home charger. I am not going to run an extension cord from my place to the place where I park. Guess what, like 35% of Americans rent.

 

[Ns1]

I get it now - I found pictures of smackababy's car.

 

[Brovane]

Yes. If I have to charge my phone every day, the battery isn't good enough. It should also be noted, you use your phone a lot more than you use your car in a typical day. Even with that, I don't want to be forced to charge my phone every day. Imagine, for example, if you happen to forget to charge your car in the night. So, I can't go to work today because my car doesn't have enough juice? Or, I have to be late? Yeah, no thanks.

I don't need to gas up my car every day, why should I be forced to charge my car? It simply isn't practical, especially for those of us that don't have the ability to install a home charger. I am not going to run an extension cord from my place to the place where I park. Guess what, like 35% of Americans rent.

If you don't have appropriate parking to easily charge a EV during the evening then this vehicle might not be appropriate for you. It would be the same that if I have a apartment/condo with underground parking or parking structure, I might not want to buy a sprinter van.

Whenever you buy a item you make certain choices on advantages/dis-advantages of buying that item. A Electric vehicle has certain trade-offs for buying it versus a gasoline/diesel car. For people with the appropriate residential parking a EV like the Leaf can make a lot of sense. They don't mind plugging in a vehicle at night because it only takes seconds. However for someone like you that don't want to plug in a vehicle every-night a EV might not be appropriate. Especially if your regular parking doesn't have access to the appropriate power. A gasoline vehicle would be more appropriate. For many years with vehicles and the fuels they use we have only been offered the choice of gas/diesel. We are now seeing the introduction of battery powered vehicles, fuel-cell vehicles that use hydrogen are also starting to be introduced. They all involve different trade-offs but they are not going to function the same way. To expect them to is un-reasonable.

 

[Ken g6]

or if you live in CO, you can get the current leaf for ~11 grand.

How's that work? I see only $6000 CO tax credit on top of $7500 federal.