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zerocool84

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If you play bball, all that stuff happens. You make it seem like he has matrix like control of his body, amazing agility and lightening fast decision making to know just when to hit someone in the groin. Watch the play again, why would he hit lebron with an open fist if that was his intent.
Like I said before, he has history. History of this stuff is what affects the ruling.
 

Eymar

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Like I said before, he has history. History of this stuff is what affects the ruling.

Yup, if Green hadn't kick Adams in the balls this call change would of been a technical at most and he'd playing game 5. Green showed restraint, but best for him not to even swipe at all to cause an after game review.
 

QueBert

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Hahah. The NBA is a joke. They suspended Green for game 5. Lol.

About time, he should have been suspended for a game during OKC. If the ref's had done the right thing during that series, Warriors might not be in the finals. The reffing as a whole has been complete shit. While I don't agree he tried to punch James in the nuts, a suspension for him is way overdue. What happened should have been a double technical, which would have lead to him being suspended. Bravo for the NBA for finally getting something semi right at least.
 
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zerocool84

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About time, he should have been suspended for a game during OKC. If they had done the right thing during that series, Warriors might not be in the finals. The reffing as a whole has been complete shit. While I don't agree he tried to punch James in the nuts, a suspension for him is way overdue.
Honestly though it doesn't matter now. Cavs haven't showed they WANT to win this series.
 

SP33Demon

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Dubs losing Draymond shouldn't matter since they have S.I.N.
In reaction to the suspension, the Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook dropped the Warriors from a 6.5-point favorite to a 6-point favorite.

Lebron is about to become Le-Loser (again). Biggest choke artist of the NBA Finals when he doesn't have his superstar buddies (Bosh/Wade/Allen) to pick up his slack. Apparently D-Wade was the real leader of Lebron's 2 championships, who is Lebron inspiring in this and last year's Finals? Noone except Kyrie who was forced to take 3432907823 shots because Lebron refused to shoot.
 
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zerocool84

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Dubs losing Draymond shouldn't matter since they have S.I.N.


Lebron is about to become Le-Loser (again). Biggest choke artist of the NBA Finals when he doesn't have his superstar buddies (Bosh/Wade/Allen) to pick up his slack.
So Curry not having his superstar buddies wouldn't have won it either. They won without Curry anyways. LeBron has singlehandedly taken multiple teams to finals.
 

SP33Demon

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So Curry not having his superstar buddies wouldn't have won it either. They won without Curry anyways. LeBron has singlehandedly taken multiple teams to finals.
Sure he has.
http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2016/...tioned-after-cleveland-cavaliers-game-4-loss/

For one, James got sloppy with the ball, contributing all but four of Cleveland’s 11 turnovers. He seemed tentative on some drives, fumbling the ball away when the Cavs were building some momentum. He would still try and take the ball to the hoop, but didn’t nearly seem as sure of himself as he should’ve been.

Worse than the turnovers, though, was what James put forth in the fourth quarter.

Down two and desperately needing a win to save their season, the Cavs simply had to play one of the best quarters of their lives. Quicken Loans Arena was rocking, with fans doing whatever they could to help the hometown team.

One 20-point quarter later, said supporters were collectively going through the thousand-yard stare, in shock over what they had just seen.

They watched as James went back to settling for jumpers. They witnessed him standing around under the basket while the Warriors out-hustled him for second-chance scoring opportunities. They saw him sandwich a turnover with two bricked 25-footers.

The man who aggressively called his teammates out, who privately accused them of not putting forth the ideal effort for the stage they were on, just kind of gave up.

It certainly seemed like the perfect stage for James to take the game over, a vintage display of driving to the rim with a fury, destroying the opponent’s will with every basket. Couple that with an arena full of fans dying to see what many call Cleveland’s best shot at a title make this Finals a series again, and how could you not have expected him to put forth a highlight reel performance?

But no. James settled, hoisting ill-advised jumpers and fumbling the ball.

To their credit, his teammates took his advice and followed his lead. Ball movement was eliminated, everyone stopped and watched isolation possessions. The team looked disinterested in defense, standing around on rebound attempts just as James did.

Steph won't have Draymond on Monday night, let's see how that goes. I bet he doesn't turn the ball over 7 times at home and has more assists than Le-Loser. If Steph goes off Monday he will win the MVP. That's a fact.
 

zerocool84

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Sure he has.
http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2016/...tioned-after-cleveland-cavaliers-game-4-loss/



Steph won't have Draymond on Monday night, let's see how that goes. I bet he doesn't turn the ball over 7 times at home and has more assists than Le-Loser. If Steph goes off Monday he will win the MVP. That's a fact.
So basically ignore what I said. That's fine. I don't love LeBron but he has taken sorry ass teams to the finals multiple times. Curry has yet to show he has that type of great player.
 

emperus

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About time, he should have been suspended for a game during OKC. If the ref's had done the right thing during that series, Warriors might not be in the finals. The reffing as a whole has been complete shit. While I don't agree he tried to punch James in the nuts, a suspension for him is way overdue. What happened should have been a double technical, which would have lead to him being suspended. Bravo for the NBA for finally getting something semi right at least.

The right thing? Did you watch any of the clips of his inadvertent kicks? You should google it. I can understand people want their preferred teams and I'm no fan of either. But, it's ridiculous to think that he did that on purpose. Again. people have put out reals of his random (tourette like) kicks. You can't watch those clips and believe it was purposeful.

Here is one
https://twitter.com/TEN000HOURS/status/734825505971544064/video/1
And another
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/05/23/draymond-green-frequently-kicks-his-leg-out-on-shots-videos/

I can understand if they want to fine him for that, but they should ifne every other player who does that as well like Westbrook. But to act like what happened in Game 4 was deservant of a Flagrant 1 is ridiculous.
 

pete6032

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I don't care who wins the series as long as I see some good basketball. But thank goodness Draymond Green got suspended. What a dick he has been. Totally deserves it.
 

zerocool84

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The right thing? Did you watch any of the clips of his inadvertent kicks? You should google it. I can understand people want their preferred teams and I'm no fan of either. But, it's ridiculous to think that he did that on purpose. Again. people have put out reals of his random (tourette like) kicks. You can't watch those clips and believe it was purposeful.

Here is one
https://twitter.com/TEN000HOURS/status/734825505971544064/video/1
And another
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/05/23/draymond-green-frequently-kicks-his-leg-out-on-shots-videos/

I can understand if they want to fine him for that, but they should ifne every other player who does that as well like Westbrook. But to act like what happened in Game 4 was deservant of a Flagrant 1 is ridiculous.
Green clearly threw his hand, it's easily seen. If he didn't have any history it would have not been a big deal, he put himself in the position that of he got another flagrant he was going to be out. Stop getting flagrants and he would be fine.
 

purbeast0

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according to some, a finals record of 2-0 is better than a finals record of 2-5.

yeah, go ask any NBA player if they would rather be in the finals 2 times of 7 times. i'd put my entire bank account on 100% of them saying they'd rather be there 7 times.
 

smackababy

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according to some, a finals record of 2-0 is better than a finals record of 2-5.

yeah, go ask any NBA player if they would rather be in the finals 2 times of 7 times. i'd put my entire bank account on 100% of them saying they'd rather be there 7 times.



The best thing is we only give Lebron shit for losing in the finals. Nobody else gets shit for it.
 

ControlD

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The best thing is we only give Lebron shit for losing in the finals. Nobody else gets shit for it.

Well, when you are the anointed and self proclaimed best player in the world, that sort of comes with the territory.
 

vi edit

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according to some, a finals record of 2-0 is better than a finals record of 2-5.

yeah, go ask any NBA player if they would rather be in the finals 2 times of 7 times. i'd put my entire bank account on 100% of them saying they'd rather be there 7 times.

The crappy part about going that far and losing that many times is that it's like 2 extra seasons worth of wear and tear on your body.

And you do tend to get some labels associated. Think of the Buffalo Bills and their historic superbowl losses. They went 4 years straight and didn't win a single one. After a while that probably starts to eat at you.
 

smackababy

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Well, when you are the anointed and self proclaimed best player in the world, that sort of comes with the territory.



When did he self proclaim that? And why? I'm sure Larry Bird and Magic Johnson were anointed as such, and nobody cares when they lost.
 

ControlD

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When did he self proclaim that? And why? I'm sure Larry Bird and Magic Johnson were anointed as such, and nobody cares when they lost.

Last year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-i-feel-confident-because-im-the-best-player-in-the-world/

The thing about Larry and Magic is that they were contemporaries generally considered to be on the same level. More times than not they were losing to each other which is a little different than LeBron's case. I'm not saying LeBron deserves always taking the blame, but it is a different league now.
 

Adrenaline

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The crappy part about going that far and losing that many times is that it's like 2 extra seasons worth of wear and tear on your body.

And you do tend to get some labels associated. Think of the Buffalo Bills and their historic superbowl losses. They went 4 years straight and didn't win a single one. After a while that probably starts to eat at you.

If LeBron makes it to the NBA Finals next year and loses, that will be four losses in a row for him.
 

Muse

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About time, he should have been suspended for a game during OKC. If the ref's had done the right thing during that series, Warriors might not be in the finals. The reffing as a whole has been complete shit. While I don't agree he tried to punch James in the nuts, a suspension for him is way overdue. What happened should have been a double technical, which would have lead to him being suspended. Bravo for the NBA for finally getting something semi right at least.
Bravo my ass. And Green would not have been suspended if it had been a double technical. He was two technicals short of a suspension, one flagrant.
So basically ignore what I said. That's fine. I don't love LeBron but he has taken sorry ass teams to the finals multiple times. Curry has yet to show he has that type of great player.
big part of the difference is that Curry plays in the better conference. GSW, OKC, SA all > Cavs
 
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Muse

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Well, when you are the anointed and self proclaimed best player in the world, that sort of comes with the territory.
He's kind of a dick head. "Follow my lead," let me take you there, I'm the best. He isn't a team player particularly. GSW are the quintessential team. We'll see tonight.
 

Drako

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LOL at the "inadvertent kick" defenders. Just because Green does that shit all the time doesn't mean he should be able to get away with doing it if it's a foul. D:
 

Jeeebus

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As a bitter Miami fan, I'm hoping Golden State closes it out tonight so that LeBron comes to the realization that even with a healthy team and his antics that baited Green into a suspension (and there is nobody that can say LeBron was not purposefully trying to get Green going), they still can't win.

If that makes me a spiteful bitch, that is a badge I will wear proudly.
 

smackababy

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Last year.



http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-i-feel-confident-because-im-the-best-player-in-the-world/



The thing about Larry and Magic is that they were contemporaries generally considered to be on the same level. More times than not they were losing to each other which is a little different than LeBron's case. I'm not saying LeBron deserves always taking the blame, but it is a different league now.



Larry and Magic lost to a nobody squad from Detroit.

Shaq was swept by the Rockets and nobody Sam Cassell put up 30+ points on them.
 
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