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Haslam actually tossed his mouth guard at a ref. Sorta different situation.
 

RagingBITCH

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Not when the obvious best player is on the losing team. If Cavs lose, Lebron has still played far and away the best and has been the most valuable player. If the Warriors win, they have done most of it without Curry. Cavs would have lost 0-4 without Lebron. That's silly saying they should always be on the winning team.

That's like saying Lebron was the MVP last year...this was the same argument someone made. He was the MVP in many people's minds by single handedly carrying the Cavs with no one else helping him...they just lost. Won't make a lick of a difference if they lose again in Game 7. MVP is on the winning team.
 

RagingBITCH

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There is no value in losing. When T-Mac was on Orlando scoring over 30 a game and considered one of the best in the game, he was never a serious MVP candidate, why? Because his team wasn't winning. It doesn't matter if Lebron averages over 100 points and 50 rebounds per game, if he doesn't win, then there was no value to what he did. It's a pretty simple concept, the most valuable thing in basketball is to win. If your contributions had the most impact in getting your team the win, you are the MVP. If you lost, then it doesn't matter how you played, you still lost.



I don't think anything tops Wade's finals performance against the Mavs. He flopped his way to the ring and the refs totally gave it to them.

There's lots of reasons the Mavs lost in '06. That one still stings. Can't blame his flops solely for that. Redemption in '11, but that one still burns a hole in every MFFLs' hearts.
 

RagingBITCH

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The NBA definitely go what they wanted with the Green suspension. How you get thrown to the ground and tea-bagged, and get thrown out from the next game.. lol.

Credit to the Cavs though, they've been grinding on D and knockin down shots. Lebron has been taking and making shots. It's what he's got to do.

On the Warrior's side, they're shots have not been falling. Everything that went down early in the series from their bench and roll players, just haven't been going down.

It seems like a matter of who's shots are falling pretty much.

I'm surprised you didn't quote Madden. "Usually the team that scores the most points wins."
 

SP33Demon

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the officiating is the reason the warriors were clanking 3's left and right last night. the officiating is the reason that the warriors only scored 11 points in 12 minutes of play last night. the officiating is the reason klay thompson had a clear path to the basket for a layup and pulled up for a 3 instead and bricked it. the officiating is the reason lebron has had 41 points in back to back games with 3 turnovers in 2 games instead of the 20+ or so in the first 4. the officiating is the reason that basically every game in this series has been a blowout.

yep, officiating is the only reason that this series is going to game 7. no other reason at all.
You are a homer if you think the officiating has been good. Wins/losses obviously are decided by jumpers not going in. Harrison Barnes shouldn't be allowed to take a shot in game 7 after missing 15 in a row between games 5 and 6. Just stop shooting, bro.
 

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You are a homer if you think the officiating has been good. Wins/losses obviously are decided by jumpers not going in. Harrison Barnes shouldn't be allowed to take a shot in game 7 after missing 15 in a row between games 5 and 6. Just stop shooting, bro.

And you are a dipshit if you think the officiating is the reason the Cavs just tied the series
 

purbeast0

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You are a homer if you think the officiating has been good. Wins/losses obviously are decided by jumpers not going in. Harrison Barnes shouldn't be allowed to take a shot in game 7 after missing 15 in a row between games 5 and 6. Just stop shooting, bro.

404 - "officiating has been good" not found.

but keep crying.
 

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You are a homer if you think the officiating has been good. Wins/losses obviously are decided by jumpers not going in. Harrison Barnes shouldn't be allowed to take a shot in game 7 after missing 15 in a row between games 5 and 6. Just stop shooting, bro.
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What exactly do you think should be better? GS actually has more FT attempts in their losses than they do in their wins by a YUUUUUGE margin. They have almost 2 to 2.5 the number of FT attempts in the losses than they do in their wins. And when they lose, they typically have more FT attempts than Cleveland. What exactly do you want different?

With Bogut out they have zero post game. It's all done to cuts from Thompson and some drives from Curry. Iggy makes some good dribble penetration and dishes. But it's nothing like Lebron or Tristan Thompson (or even Love when he tries) playing a post up game. Refs weren't biting on the offensive contact last night.

GS wins by the three and dies by the three. When it's not falling they are done.
 

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What exactly do you think should be better? GS actually has more FT attempts in their losses than they do in their wins by a YUUUUUGE margin. They have almost 2 to 2.5 the number of FT attempts in the losses than they do in their wins. And when they lose, they typically have more FT attempts than Cleveland. What exactly do you want different?

With Bogut out they have zero post game. It's all done to cuts from Thompson and some drives from Curry. Iggy makes some good dribble penetration and dishes. But it's nothing like Lebron or Tristan Thompson (or even Love when he tries) playing a post up game. Refs weren't biting on the offensive contact last night.

GS wins by the three and dies by the three. When it's not falling they are done.

Yeah, that's what we all thought last year to, but those 3's kept falling and falling. They're gonna have to fall again for them to win game 7. I'm looking forward to watching it. Not really rooting for any team, just hope it's an epic down to the wire, last posession wins type game.
 

RagingBITCH

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Yeah, that's what we all thought last year to, but those 3's kept falling and falling. They're gonna have to fall again for them to win game 7. I'm looking forward to watching it. Not really rooting for any team, just hope it's an epic down to the wire, last posession wins type game.

But then someone is going to say "Well the officials called a foul and cost (LOSER) the game".
 

digiram

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I'm surprised you didn't quote Madden. "Usually the team that scores the most points wins."

Hey, where's my captain obvious meme??

I'm saying though, even the mid range easy turn arounds that Livingston hits againsts smaller defenders haven't been going in, or wide open 3's for Barnes, Klay's shots haven't been falling. Every miss leads to a Tristan Thompson rebound, and the Cavs are running the other way.
 

RagingBITCH

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Hey, where's my captain obvious meme??

I'm saying though, even the mid range easy turn arounds that Livingston hits againsts smaller defenders haven't been going in, or wide open 3's for Barnes, Klay's shots haven't been falling. Every miss leads to a Tristan Thompson rebound, and the Cavs are running the other way.

Live and die by the 3. High risk, high reward. It's how they've lived all season. Chalk it up to overconfidence in a 3-1 series lead, the wear and tear of 2 back to back 7 game series, whatever - they better pray it comes together Game 7. Or have Green nutshot LBJ since there is no next game/suspension to worry about this time.
 

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The challenge with 3's is that the longer the series the goes the harder it is to hit them. When your legs get flat it's hard to get that pop you need for a good shot. You overcompensate with your arms and your shot isn't as pure. Plus all the series bumps and bruises start adding up. Transition and post games are much more forgiving.

With no Bogut in there I think Cleveland is clearing the lane a lot more and putting more pressure on the perimeter shooting.
 

Red Storm

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I feel the X factor is Thompson. If the Warriors can limit his impact on the glass - especially offensive rebounds - they stand a very good chance of winning. If he keeps that hustle going and gets all the rebounds, I say Cleveland wins.
 

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If I'm Golden State I send every drive right at him and force the contact and get him in foul trouble early. Skip the threes, get rid of their muscle first.
 

Drako

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Wow, Ayesha needs to stay off twitter. She's not doing her husband any favors.
 

QueBert

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That's like saying Lebron was the MVP last year...this was the same argument someone made. He was the MVP in many people's minds by single handedly carrying the Cavs with no one else helping him...they just lost. Won't make a lick of a difference if they lose again in Game 7. MVP is on the winning team.

Jerry West would like to have a word with you, yeah it was decades ago, but there has been an MVP who was on the losing team. Sure at best it should be beyond rare to happen. But James is leading both teams across the boards in all stats. When it happened decades ago, West's performance wasn't even as dominate yet it was still awarded to a dude on the losing team. Win or lose Sunday, James outplayed everyone by such a wide margin it's not even funny. If they lose hopefully the league will have a Jerry West flash back and award it to the most deserving player.
 

purbeast0

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Jerry West would like to have a word with you, yeah it was decades ago, but there has been an MVP who was on the losing team. Sure at best it should be beyond rare to happen. But James is leading both teams across the boards in all stats. When it happened decades ago, West's performance wasn't even as dominate yet it was still awarded to a dude on the losing team. Win or lose Sunday, James outplayed everyone by such a wide margin it's not even funny. If they lose hopefully the league will have a Jerry West flash back and award it to the most deserving player.

yeah but the award isn't "who has the best stats in the series" it is for who is the "most valuable player". if your team can't get the W then it doesn't matter wtf you did because it was of no value to the end goal, which is to win.
 

Ackmed

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having an MVP on a losing team is pointless and makes no sense to me. what was he the most valuable at? getting his team to a game 7 and almost winning? being most valuable on a team that came in second place means absolutely nothing.

Usually I would agree with you. I realize winning trumps all, especially in championship. However on rare cases I think a losing team could have the MVP. Can we agree James is the MVP through 6 games? What if he has another 40+ point game, not hard to imagine since he's had 2 in a row. What if in the 4th quarter he either scores or assists in 27 straight points, again not hard to imagine because he did so last night. Carrying the entire team on his back. What if the Warriors win by 5 points with nobody standing out. Just a good team win, 20'ish for Curry and Thompson, others chip in. If this scenario played out like that, who would you give it to?

James is currently leading in all 5 major stats. Points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. Not that stats mean everything, but it's clearly obvious he's the best through 6. Curry has been a no show too often, or crumbled under pressure. I'd say Thompson has played better.

I'm not alone thinking like this, players, commentators etc agree with me. Of course the same agree with you. James could have a terrible game and then it wouldn't matter.
 

Ackmed

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Wow, Ayesha needs to stay off twitter. She's not doing her husband any favors.

She's a damn nut case. Not even just this game, but for awhile. I'd be embarrassed to have her as my wife acting that way. Accusing the police of profiling her dad? C'mon, she's an idiot.
 

purbeast0

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Usually I would agree with you. I realize winning trumps all, especially in championship. However on rare cases I think a losing team could have the MVP. Can we agree James is the MVP through 6 games? What if he has another 40+ point game, not hard to imagine since he's had 2 in a row. What if in the 4th quarter he either scores or assists in 27 straight points, again not hard to imagine because he did so last night. Carrying the entire team on his back. What if the Warriors win by 5 points with nobody standing out. Just a good team win, 20'ish for Curry and Thompson, others chip in. If this scenario played out like that, who would you give it to?

James is currently leading in all 5 major stats. Points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. Not that stats mean everything, but it's clearly obvious he's the best through 6. Curry has been a no show too often, or crumbled under pressure. I'd say Thompson has played better.

I'm not alone thinking like this, players, commentators etc agree with me. Of course the same agree with you. James could have a terrible game and then it wouldn't matter.

what accomplishment would he be most valuable for? coming in 2nd place? they could come in 2nd place with him on the bench the entire time. they don't need him to come in second place.

and then if you say well they wouldn't have made it to game 7 or been this close to winning, or wouldn't even be in the playoffs without him, yeah you're right. but then we start to get into "participation" type levels of awards (and yes i realize it's not close to being a participation award, but you know what i mean).
 
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