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They definitely missed Green last night. His energy and defense are a major player in keeping Lebron in check. Curry was off target except for some circus like 3pt shots. Thompson was forcing a lot of shots that were *WAY* too far away from the 3pt line. Iguadala was great moving the ball and on defense but his jump shot was atrocious. He had at least 3 or 4 shots that barely hit the front of the rim. Just lame duck, ugly shooting.

Cleveland needs to figure out how to move the ball better. Last nights game won't be a repeat when Green comes back. Lebron isn't going to get that close to the basket as often and they'll double down on Kyrie faster.
 

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They definitely missed Green last night. His energy and defense are a major player in keeping Lebron in check. Curry was off target except for some circus like 3pt shots. Thompson was forcing a lot of shots that were *WAY* too far away from the 3pt line. Iguadala was great moving the ball and on defense but his jump shot was atrocious. He had at least 3 or 4 shots that barely hit the front of the rim. Just lame duck, ugly shooting.

Cleveland needs to figure out how to move the ball better. Last nights game won't be a repeat when Green comes back. Lebron isn't going to get that close to the basket as often and they'll double down on Kyrie faster.

Agreed on all counts. DG is such a huge part of their defense.

Also, whenever Kevin Love is in the game, GSW's offensive rebounds go waaay up. Wonder why that is?

Also I'm guessing Bogut is out for game 6, his knee was basically bent in half the wrong way last night.
 

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LOL they lost the 1st game to the Cavs by THIRTY points, your hero performance comment's laughable. I could say the same thing about Warriors only winning because of the Splash Brothers hitting a record number of 3 point buckets. I doubt Kerr's sweating. But 3-2 with the next game in CLE, I could definitely see Warriors losing this next game. After tonight this series is far from over. I mean the Cavs were suppose to get blown out tonight and that would be the end, because the Warriors totally own shit at home blah blah blah.

The fact the Cavs BLEW them out the other night by 30 points should tell you they're nowhere near this GOAT team their silly fans are making them out to be. But naturally, when Warriors win it's because they're vastly superior, yet when the Cavs win, it's because Curry's hurt or it's just a weird, random off night for the team as a whole. Even when they lost by 30 they were still the far better team.

lol ... the bold is so true. reminds me of a lot of NFL fans too.
 

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I hope the Cavs win this series. Just for no other reason than to laugh at sp33d.

This + the grating "GSW win because they are GOAT but only lose due to flukes or injuries" they (certain fans) give no credit to their opponents + the LBJ bashing that whitewashes the same behavior by his opponents.

As for Green: pretty simple, he had no more warnings. The back tap was on its own not sufficient for a suspension but any flagrant (even a vanilla one) would have been enough. He made his bed with his constant boarder line behavior. And it wasn't just the kick on Adams. There were 3 nut jobs and an elbow in the last 2 series before this. He was warned.
 

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Oh and I never hand a chance to appropriately compose an opinion last night so I shall do so now....

Fuck Anderson Varejao and his Floppy McFlopper gameplay. I swear my 4 year old could cause him to tumble over in pain at the lightest contact. When Dellevedova (who is no saint himself) picked up that third foul with Varejao wrapping him up around the neck and then falling to the floor I was livid. If I was Dellevedova I would have walked over and kicked him right in the dick. Would have at least got some legitimate contact for that penalty and ejection. Why that piece of shit continues to get calls his way I have no idea. The foul where Smith caught him on the shoulder and he fell to the floor holding his ear? Good god. Replay shows all this shit.
 
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Agreed on all counts. DG is such a huge part of their defense.

Also, whenever Kevin Love is in the game, GSW's offensive rebounds go waaay up. Wonder why that is?

Also I'm guessing Bogut is out for game 6, his knee was basically bent in half the wrong way last night.

Bogut's knee looked to get hyper extended. Depending on severity, he could be out of for the series. I had that happen to my elbow playing hockey (slammed into boards) and my elbow wasn't right for years.

EDIT: Suspected sprain but he is getting an MRI today to see exactly what is going on. Even a sprain on the knee could keep him out for the next two games. I'd expect GSW to try to win game 6 without him. Then dress him for game 7 and play his game time by ear.
 

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LOL they lost the 1st game to the Cavs by THIRTY points, your hero performance comment's laughable. I could say the same thing about Warriors only winning because of the Splash Brothers hitting a record number of 3 point buckets. I doubt Kerr's sweating. But 3-2 with the next game in CLE, I could definitely see Warriors losing this next game. After tonight this series is far from over. I mean the Cavs were suppose to get blown out tonight and that would be the end, because the Warriors totally own shit at home blah blah blah.

The fact the Cavs BLEW them out the other night by 30 points should tell you they're nowhere near this GOAT team their silly fans are making them out to be. But naturally, when Warriors win it's because they're vastly superior, yet when the Cavs win, it's because Curry's hurt or it's just a weird, random off night for the team as a whole. Even when they lost by 30 they were still the far better team.
You're such a fanboy you make SP33Demon seem reasonable. Actually, SP33Demon isn't that bad despite everybody's needling. He just worships at the altar of advanced stats and a lot of casual or traditional fans don't buy that line of reasoning. It's a matter of taste.

For the record, I'm a LeBron fan and have been pulling for the Cavs this series. I talked about game 5 at halftime and afterwards; and whether Kerr will adjust much for game 6, and you bring up game 3? Well it's sorta relevant. My point was that Kyrie literally had one of the best Finals performances you will EVER see. LeBron tailed off a bit in the 4th quarter as the Cavs rode Irving's shoulders to victory. But LeBron had a monster game as well. If you don't understand that relying on your 2 stars to hero-ball their way to 82 points is not a recipe for continued success, then so be it. I was not knocking LeBron or the Cavs, they won last night but not with the total team effort we saw in game 3.

It's highly unlikely but if the Cavs win this series, it will be the greatest comeback in NBA history. Game 6 is almost a coin flip, the Cavs will be slight favorites so we'll see how it plays out. I wouldn't be surprised to see a game 7 but the Dubs are far from panicking was my point.

RE: Varejao, doesn't the league give out fines retroactively for flopping? He earned a couple last night alone! It's pathetic as hell, but the context is that he's Brazilian so he's been flopping his entire life on the pitch.
 

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You're such a fanboy you make SP33Demon seem reasonable. Actually, SP33Demon isn't that bad despite everybody's needling. He just worships at the altar of advanced stats and a lot of casual or traditional fans don't buy that line of reasoning. It's a matter of taste.

Um, no. Even casual fans understand that his use of "advanced stats" is pedestrian and uninformed at best. But mostly just duplicitous.

Sp33d only understands stats as another method to pick and choose certain things as so-called proof of his silly biases, and he contradicts himself frequently when doing this.

Sp33d and anyone that thinks he knows what he is talking about have no real understanding of statistics. By the way--none of that is "advanced."

"sports statistics."
 

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For the record, I'm a LeBron fan and have been pulling for the Cavs this series. I talked about game 5 at halftime and afterwards; and whether Kerr will adjust much for game 6, and you bring up game 3? Well it's sorta relevant. My point was that Kyrie literally had one of the best Finals performances you will EVER see. LeBron tailed off a bit in the 4th quarter as the Cavs rode Irving's shoulders to victory. But LeBron had a monster game as well. If you don't understand that relying on your 2 stars to hero-ball their way to 82 points is not a recipe for continued success, then so be it. I was not knocking LeBron or the Cavs, they won last night but not with the total team effort we saw in game 3.

Absolutely agree. Last night certainly was a spectacle to behold, but not a sustainable one. I don't know what the deal is with Kevin Love. But somebody needs to track him down and get him to suit up. Right now it's just a large oafing body with his name on the Jersey. His rebounding is absolute crap, he seems to hesitate on any shot, and he's getting no separation or open shots from the 3 point line. He just does not seem interested in playing. Cleveland as a whole needs to get the ball swinging more and stretch out the defense. Smith has been a scoring yo-yo his entire career. You never know what you will get with him. Jefferson and Thompson are good for 2 buckets each. Shumpert is only noticeable on the court because of his stupid haircut. He may as well just be a lawn chair otherwise. Dellevedova has been largely useless this series. Same for Frye. Outside of Irving and Lebron there's just nobody on that team stepping up and helping out.
 

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Um, no. Even casual fans understand that his use of "advanced stats" is pedestrian and uninformed at best. But mostly just duplicitous.

Sp33d only understands stats as another method to pick and choose certain things as so-called proof of his silly biases, and he contradicts himself frequently when doing this.

Sp33d and anyone that thinks he knows what he is talking about have no real understanding of statistics. By the way--none of that is "advanced."

"sports statistics."
Americans are generally shitty at math, so on average casual fans will have no concept of effective shooting % (efficiency), plus/minus or any other advanced stats. Personally I tend to think they are valuable, but you also have to evaluate what you see. For example, Draymond Green leading the league in "real" plus/minus does not mean he's a top-10 player. Him making an All-NBA team still doesn't make him a top-10 player. He's wildly overachieved, but he plays on an extremely good team where his skills and effort really get accentuated (translation: defenders double the shit out of Steph and Green benefits).

So I completely dispute your assertion that casual fans here reject Sp33d's use of advanced stats with good reason. I get your general point that it's easy for anybody to throw out a bunch of numbers and say that's all the proof you ever need.

I'd much prefer this be a thread about the NBA Finals; you and him keep going back and forth from two opposite philosophies and nobody will ever be "right." Chances are the Dubs will repeat, and he'll rub it in your face though.

Honestly I don't even bother comparing the Dubs to the 96 Bulls or Steph to the GOAT, because it's silly at this point. OTOH it's a crock of shit how often former NBA players keep saying their great teams would run over the Dubs. Personally I'd like to see the Cavs pull off the greatest comeback ever but not if Chucky Barkley is gonna say, "I told you since last year the Dubs ain't shit."
 

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Americans are generally shitty at math, so on average casual fans will have no concept of effective shooting % (efficiency), plus/minus or any other advanced stats. Personally I tend to think they are valuable, but you also have to evaluate what you see. For example, Draymond Green leading the league in "real" plus/minus does not mean he's a top-10 player. Him making an All-NBA team still doesn't make him a top-10 player. He's wildly overachieved, but he plays on an extremely good team where his skills and effort really get accentuated (translation: defenders double the shit out of Steph and Green benefits).

So I completely dispute your assertion that casual fans here reject Sp33d's use of advanced stats with good reason. I get your general point that it's easy for anybody to throw out a bunch of numbers and say that's all the proof you ever need.

I'd much prefer this be a thread about the NBA Finals; you and him keep going back and forth from two opposite philosophies and nobody will ever be "right." Chances are the Dubs will repeat, and he'll rub it in your face though.

Honestly I don't even bother comparing the Dubs to the 96 Bulls or Steph to the GOAT, because it's silly at this point. OTOH it's a crock of shit how often former NBA players keep saying their great teams would run over the Dubs. Personally I'd like to see the Cavs pull off the greatest comeback ever but not if Chucky Barkley is gonna say, "I told you since last year the Dubs ain't shit."

Oh, I think using basic stats (Again--they are all incredibly basic statistics--Just calling it "Advanced" because it is in sports is silly) for sports is a highly valuable tool to measure output and value.

No doubt.

I reject Sp33dy and others' use of it when they create an argument, then pick and pull a pile of numbers to support the argument. Then, they start pulling "new advanced metrics!" that never existed for any other reason than to support some argument that no one would ever make.

That is bad math, and that is not statistics.

FWIW, Sp33dy wants the Cavs to win, and I also "want" the Cavs to win. Either way, no stats or no reality will ever support this Warrior's team being the best team ever.

They just haven't dominated from game to game to game, and certainly not the playoffs, like those Bulls teams.
 

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Americans are generally shitty at math, so on average casual fans will have no concept of effective shooting % (efficiency), plus/minus or any other advanced stats. Personally I tend to think they are valuable, but you also have to evaluate what you see. For example, Draymond Green leading the league in "real" plus/minus does not mean he's a top-10 player. Him making an All-NBA team still doesn't make him a top-10 player. He's wildly overachieved, but he plays on an extremely good team where his skills and effort really get accentuated (translation: defenders double the shit out of Steph and Green benefits).

So I completely dispute your assertion that casual fans here reject Sp33d's use of advanced stats with good reason. I get your general point that it's easy for anybody to throw out a bunch of numbers and say that's all the proof you ever need.

I'd much prefer this be a thread about the NBA Finals; you and him keep going back and forth from two opposite philosophies and nobody will ever be "right." Chances are the Dubs will repeat, and he'll rub it in your face though.

Honestly I don't even bother comparing the Dubs to the 96 Bulls or Steph to the GOAT, because it's silly at this point. OTOH it's a crock of shit how often former NBA players keep saying their great teams would run over the Dubs. Personally I'd like to see the Cavs pull off the greatest comeback ever but not if Chucky Barkley is gonna say, "I told you since last year the Dubs ain't shit."

Why do they call the warriors the dubs? They are calling San Francisco The City too. Only New York City can be called The City. San Francisco doesn't even have City in it's name. Plus the warriors play in Oakland, not San Francisco.
 

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As for Draymond Green: you're right.

It's the kind of lunacy (though not nearly as great) that put Roger Maris in the HoF because of one-three seasons. --come one, really only one season.

No one wanted to pitch to Mantle, so let's let that Maris guy hit 61*
 

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Why do they call the warriors the dubs? They are calling San Francisco The City too. Only New York City can be called The City. San Francisco doesn't even have City in it's name. Plus the warriors play in Oakland, not San Francisco.

Who is calling San Francisco the City? I am only aware of Oaklanders calling themselves The City.
 

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Why do they call the warriors the dubs? They are calling San Francisco The City too. Only New York City can be called The City. San Francisco doesn't even have City in it's name. Plus the warriors play in Oakland, not San Francisco.

Golden State Warriors --- Warriors/GSW's --- W's --- Double "You's" ---- Dubs

See:
Volkswagen - VW - V Dub
Buffalo Wild Wings - BWW - BDub
George Herbert Walker Bush - GWB - GDub
 

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zinfamous,

In both baseball (where sabermetrics is extremely valuable) and hoops, you have your traditional basic or "counting" stats. I.e. points, rebounds, assists on the hard court. These figures can and are misleading because it would naturally categorize a guy like Carmelo Anthony as a superstar for his volume production for over a decade. In reality, everybody should know by now that he's not a superstar. "Advanced" stats just refers to additional metrics to evaluate performance that ideally are more accurate/meaningful than the counting stats. Honestly I'm not a stats junkie and I don't follow sabermetrics very much.

Why do they call the warriors the dubs? They are calling San Francisco The City too. Only New York City can be called The City. San Francisco doesn't even have City in it's name. Plus the warriors play in Oakland, not San Francisco.
Dub is slang for the letter W. Nobody wants to say "Warriors" all the time because it's not very fluid lol.

I'm not a Bay Area native, but if you understand the region, historically SF is the only urban city in the entire SF Bay Area. So regardless of where you lived, SF was and is "The City." And if you understood Oakland, you'd know no team actually wants to hail from there. In fact, the Dubs will move to SF within 7 years. They'd love to get there much sooner, but the red tape in SF is beyond notorious.

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Reasons Oakland probably goes from 3 major teams to just 1:
http://www.foxsports.com/other/stor...an-francisco-relocate-reasons-why-when-061316
 
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In both baseball (where sabermetrics is extremely valuable) and hoops, you have your traditional basic or "counting" stats. I.e. points, rebounds, assists on the hard court. These figures can and are misleading because it would naturally categorize a guy like Carmelo Anthony as a superstar for his volume production for over a decade. In reality, everybody should know by now that he's not a superstar. "Advanced" stats just refers to additional metrics to evaluate performance that ideally are more accurate/meaningful than the counting stats. Honestly I'm not a stats junkie and I don't follow sabermetrics very much.

I'm really not a stat guy either. I tend to watch the play more than the box score. AI earned Finals MVP last year on things that stats and box scores won't show. I only tend to pay attention to stats when there's something really interesting. Like LeBron's stats last year in the finals:


LeBron James Leads Both Teams - NBA Finals
PPG 35.8
APG 8.8
RPG 13.3
>>1st to lead in all categories in Finals history

Without LeBron James on the floor this series.
JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

That's just bonkers to me.
 

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I'm really not a stat guy either. I tend to watch the play more than the box score. AI earned Finals MVP last year on things that stats and box scores won't show. I only tend to pay attention to stats when there's something really interesting. Like LeBron's stats last year in the finals:


LeBron James Leads Both Teams - NBA Finals
PPG 35.8
APG 8.8
RPG 13.3
>>1st to lead in all categories in Finals history

Without LeBron James on the floor this series.
JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

That's just bonkers to me.
People with common sense realize that without LeBron, the Cavs wouldn't be in the Finals. They'd be lucky to make it into the playoffs.

Look at the Cavs the season after he left the first time. I wonder if any team has dropped that much after losing one star.
 

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zinfamous,

In both baseball (where sabermetrics is extremely valuable) and hoops, you have your traditional basic or "counting" stats. I.e. points, rebounds, assists on the hard court. These figures can and are misleading because it would naturally categorize a guy like Carmelo Anthony as a superstar for his volume production for over a decade. In reality, everybody should know by now that he's not a superstar. "Advanced" stats just refers to additional metrics to evaluate performance that ideally are more accurate/meaningful than the counting stats. Honestly I'm not a stats junkie and I don't follow sabermetrics very much.


Dub is slang for the letter W. Nobody wants to say "Warriors" all the time because it's not very fluid lol.

I'm not a Bay Area native, but if you understand the region, historically SF is the only urban city in the entire SF Bay Area. So regardless of where you lived, SF was and is "The City." And if you understood Oakland, you'd know no team actually wants to hail from there. In fact, the Dubs will move to SF within 7 years. They'd love to get there much sooner, but the red tape in SF is beyond notorious.

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Reasons Oakland probably goes from 3 major teams to just 1:
http://www.foxsports.com/other/stor...an-francisco-relocate-reasons-why-when-061316

I'll buy that as a name to separate the traditional RBI/Run/BA etc from things like VOIP.

Certainly different types of number crunching...but it's still all pretty "basic" as far as stats go. That being said, one of my general complaints is that while I do like stats and see value for using them in sports in terms of making decisions, I don't see them as being all that powerful, simply because the sample size in nearly all sports is really just too small to make any solid determinations from athlete to athlete, season to season, franchise to franchise, etc.

Though, the higher-up those tiers you go, you can start making some interesting arguments. I accept that within each sport, pathetically low Ns are essentially constrained within the sport itself, so as long as you are comparing individuals against the same terrible constraints, you can at least say something--even though it isn't really that powerful. NFL, for example: 16 games in a regular season, average career of 2-3 years. Pretty terrible N from a real stats perspective, but at least all other footballers have the same limitations. I think baseball is the only sport that allows a proper sample size to actually say something about individuals beyond a simple comparison to others. Not only is it an individual or even 1v1 type of matchup more than any other sport, but you have 162 games + 4-5 AB per game to draw up some really powerful numbers.

As for Oakland--Oakland is actually a rather urban city and it's older than you think. It has a very, very different character than SF, especially now (contemporary SF no longer has any character--it has all been pushed off the peninsula to free up space for piles of sterile and soulless corporate "activity simulators" such as Philz coffee and "disrupters" that aim to replace actual useful human skills, like Spoonrocket).

Oakland has been far, far more hip than SF over the last 5 years and getting moreso. The food isn't quite as good, obviously, but it's still excellent. Sometimes, you have to dodge bullets to get to those spots, too--but you'll never get a rush like that in SF.

(granted, all of that is changing now, too, because the remaining silicon valley jerks that can't be domiciled in Freemont or SF or San Mateo have been inserting themselves into the East Bay for the last 3 years, consequently jacking up rents to the preposterous near-SF levels...so there goes the last remaining piece of culture in the Bay Area. :\)
 
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As for Draymond Green: you're right.

It's the kind of lunacy (though not nearly as great) that put Roger Maris in the HoF because of one-three seasons. --come one, really only one season.

No one wanted to pitch to Mantle, so let's let that Maris guy hit 61*



That kind of lunacy is prevalent in all American sports. Terrell Davis has 4 good seasons and quite a few bad ones after, but Broncos fans still clamor about him being in the HoF.
 

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Without LeBron James on the floor this series.

JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

That's just bonkers to me.

That cannot be right.

I blame LeBron. For not going to a team with a GM capable of constructing a deep roster with proper all stat side kick(s) for his skill set and a coach who can manage the roster. For the Record: I thought going to Miami was a huge blunder as before James came it was clear Wade's wheels were questionable and how Bosh would work in as a complimentary player (which eventually worked, but then was overpaid for his role and not the role Miami needed for a big man).
 

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As for Draymond Green: you're right.

It's the kind of lunacy (though not nearly as great) that put Roger Maris in the HoF because of one-three seasons. --come one, really only one season.

No one wanted to pitch to Mantle, so let's let that Maris guy hit 61*



That kind of lunacy is prevalent in all American sports. Terrell Davis has 4 good seasons and quite a few bad ones after, but Broncos fans still clamor about him being in the HoF.
 

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The Cavs are certainly not a cohesive unit like the Dubs, but you're an idiot for saying LB is not a team player. He's always envisioned himself as a more athletic version of Magic Johnson. He's not Magic, and this personal belief has actually gotten him in trouble at times (see game 4 debacle).

As far as "whining" goes, that makes him hated by fans but doesn't make him a bad teammate. Ironically Kobe is now loved by many fans for his cojones, but most accounts are he was a fairly lousy teammate overall.

If you're picking the best player since Jordan to start a team, you're taking LeBron or possibly Tim Duncan.
OK, my post probably was stupid. I don't get to watch a lot of NBA, don't have subscription TV. LB just danced through the dubs the other night, Kyrie was amazing. The rest of their team? Not much to like AFAIC, except Tristan Thompson, he played a really strong game, as usual.
 

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I guess that all depends on what kind of mood I am in. Do you wear body cologne?

But seriously, sure LeBron baited Green. Green needs to be smarter and realize he is going to get very little benefit of the doubt at this point. Especially when it comes to going after a player of LeBron's level.

Lebron had just swatted Green to the ground, and the way he landed, that had to really hurt. That's all just plain obvious from the video. Have you looked at that closely? Green had every reason to be furious, especially with Lebron just casually then stepping over him. That the league didn't cut Green some slack on that one was egregious. Yeah, he was on notice but you don't expect a super emotional player like Green to suddenly turn into a choir boy or else.
Exactly, people need to understand, Green was already on thin ice. BEFORE the game the officials talked to Golden State about Green. Green knew he was on thin ice, he has no one to blame but himself.
BS, this isn't thin ice, it's the NBA... man up!

I agree, the NBA basically traded some cred for the likelihood of extending the playoffs = cash. I know what I can expect from the NBA. I'll take the NCAA's any day.
Yet, he's calling the GSW the greatest team of all time.
He's hedging his bets.
 
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Who is calling San Francisco the City? I am only aware of Oaklanders calling themselves The City.

Pretty much everybody in the Bay area refers to San Francisco as "The City". Nobody in Oakland refers to Oakland as "The City", unless they are from out of town or something.

I thought you lived out here for awhile? :hmm:
 
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