2016 NCAA FB Regular Season

[Fingolfin269]

I'd say:

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Michigan

If Washington makes it in as #4 and gets obliterated, I hope that forces a change in the system.

What would be your proposal if Michigan gets in and gets obliterated?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I'd say:

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Michigan

If Washington makes it in as #4 and gets obliterated, I hope that forces a change in the system.

Whoever plays Alabama is probably going to get smacked. That doesn't make the #4 team unworthy, it just means that Alabama is that good.

Washington deserves to be in. Their #4 ranking is legit and that was a dominating win against a good Colorado team. Give it up Michigan fanboys. If Clemson holds serve the Big 10 is getting one team in and if Clemson loses the winner of Wisconsin vs Pedo State gets the other spot.

But yeah, the system needs to be changed. Until there's an 8 team playoff and the major conference champs all get in with the best at-large teams round it out it will remain a joke.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Big 10 folks should already assume something is wrong with the system. After all they're harping about Michigan getting the #4 spot but not bothering to mention neither OSU nor Michigan are either playing for their conference title. Talk about screwed up.

 

[Chaotic42]

This is my first experience with Penn State and Wisconsin (I don't really watch non-SEC football). So Penn State beat Ohio State? I'm assuming we're ready to go ahead and dissolve the Ohio State football program and never speak of it again at this point?

 

[destrekor]

This is my first experience with Penn State and Wisconsin (I don't really watch non-SEC football). So Penn State beat Ohio State? I'm assuming we're ready to go ahead and dissolve the Ohio State football program and never speak of it again at this point?

And Ohio State beat Wisconsin. So, no, we shall speak of them much much more.

 

[Chaotic42]

And Ohio State beat Wisconsin. So, no, we shall speak of them much much more.

Ah, so get rid of everything but the SEC. I wasn't going to suggest it as a first action, but I think we all know it needs to happen.

 

[destrekor]

Big 10 folks should already assume something is wrong with the system. After all they're harping about Michigan getting the #4 spot but not bothering to mention neither OSU nor Michigan are either playing for their conference title. Talk about screwed up.

Well the problem with that is the fact that out of conference losses don't factor in toward ties for division titles until there's a very weird situation. If UM hadn't lost before they played OSU, then OSU beating UM would mean OSU is playing Wisconsin right now, not PSU. It's sort of a relic but also still somewhat correct too: PSU lost once in the conference, and OSU's one loss was to PSU. Since that was the case, that decides the division for them, and they never look to PSU's out of conference loss. There really is no right or wrong in that situation, because it'll be right -- or wrong -- to someone.

It's a mess. But it's pretty rare for this kind of situation to crop up.

And it's certainly represents one more reason why the CFP needs to move to an 8-team playoff, so that conference champions are passed up but also the best teams are also not passed up. I think in an 8-team playoff, B10 would have 4 teams in it, deservedly, but likely wouldn't because that too would cause controversy. It'd probably be 3 teams though this year, conference champ, OSU, and UM. One more at-large spot for another team that didn't win the conference, and then the rest of the Power 5 conference champions.
That's what the playoff should look like this year. B10 has proven to be the most competitive conference this year, which even had me surprised, shocked even.

But, that isn't the situation this year, so I am very curious to see how this plays out with the committee tomorrow.

 

[destrekor]

Ah, so get rid of everything but the SEC. I wasn't going to suggest it as a first action, but I think we all know it needs to happen.

Hmm, I don't think you caught on. The only conference that matters this year is the Big Ten. It proved to be impossible for any team to escape undefeated because there are too many good teams. Put Bama in the Big Ten and they aren't escaping as #1, at least not undefeated.

 

[Svnla]

LOL @ Florida. When they got lucky and won against LSU (LSU RB ran the wrong route and was shorted about 1 yard), they acted like they were all that. Now Bama whipped their behinds so bad in the SEC Championship game. Posers/pretenders.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

But, that isn't the situation this year, so I am very curious to see how this plays out with the committee tomorrow.

I think the committee is locked in. If they had Bama/OSU/Clemson/Washington as 1-2-3-4 they're not going to change that unless one of those teams loses. Since Bama and Washington won big they're not getting leapfrogged and if Clemson wins they're not falling 3rd to 5th. That leaves the committee with one Big 10 team period.

 

[Chaotic42]

Hmm, I don't think you caught on. The only conference that matters this year is the Big Ten. It proved to be impossible for any team to escape undefeated because there are too many good teams. Put Bama in the Big Ten and they aren't escaping as #1, at least not undefeated.

All joking aside, this game is getting boring for everyone outside of Wisconsin. Now I want to see Wisconsin / Alabama.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

All joking aside, this game is getting boring for everyone outside of Wisconsin. Now I want to see Wisconsin / Alabama.

Then you need to start rooting for VT. If they beat Clemson then Wisconsin probably gets the #4 seed.

 

[destrekor]

I think the committee is locked in. If they had Bama/OSU/Clemson/Washington as 1-2-3-4 they're not going to change that unless one of those teams loses. Since Bama and Washington won big they're not getting leapfrogged and if Clemson wins they're not falling 3rd to 5th. That leaves the committee with one Big 10 team period.

You would think, that's how I've seen it so far. But what makes sense isn't necessarily what makes the cut with the committee for the last selection. They definitely penned themselves in pretty bad by having OSU and UM ranked so high for so long now, and end up having neither of them make the conference championship. I think both teams demonstrated they are better than the conference champion in different ways, and both deserve to go to the playoff. I don't think anything changes in the top 4, but while I am a betting man, I will not be making any bets on the committee's final rankings, well, other than Bama is #1.

 

[Fingolfin269]

*SNIP, Because.. lot's of stuff I agree with.*

I've gotten to the point where college football has become more unenjoyable to me for lots of reasons. One is parity. Two is probably the fact that the whole system is kind of screwed up. In your example you mention that 4x Big 10 teams might deservedly get into an 8 team playoff. And I don't necessarily disagree with that based on the current system. The problem is the scheduling parity is not exactly even. We have no great way to judge a Washington vs. a Michigan for example. At least in the NFL teams have enough games on the schedule, across multiple divisions/conferences, that you can get a pretty good idea of who is good based on direct play and not indirect play or voter "feel".

Honestly, #3 to me is that we have people voting to decide who gets to play for a championship. And when you have multiple teams who could state a claim for that final spot it's a little ridiculous to me that it's left up to something as arbitrary as a person's (probably biased) opinion.

 

[destrekor]

I've gotten to the point where college football has become more unenjoyable to me for lots of reasons. One is parity. Two is probably the fact that the whole system is kind of screwed up. In your example you mention that 4x Big 10 teams might deservedly get into an 8 team playoff. And I don't necessarily disagree with that based on the current system. The problem is the scheduling parity is not exactly even. We have no great way to judge a Washington vs. a Michigan for example. At least in the NFL teams have enough games on the schedule, across multiple divisions/conferences, that you can get a pretty good idea of who is good based on direct play and not indirect play or voter "feel".

Honestly, #3 to me is that we have people voting to decide who gets to play for a championship. And when you have multiple teams who could state a claim for that final spot it's a little ridiculous to me that it's left up to something as arbitrary as a person's (probably biased) opinion.

Yeah college is definitely hamstrung by the idea of so many conferences. Pro sports don't have anything remotely close, because while they have multiple divisions, they are all within two conferences and it all comes down to who wins the two conferences. In college we could never get something like that. They'll never cede the college conference structure, too much money.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Yeah college is definitely hamstrung by the idea of so many conferences. Pro sports don't have anything remotely close, because while they have multiple divisions, they are all within two conferences and it all comes down to who wins the two conferences. In college we could never get something like that. They'll never cede the college conference structure, too much money.

College doesn't need to cede the conference structure. Major college sports has been morphing into super-conference and they just need to complete the job. They're got 5 "power" conferences now and only 4 spots in the BCS playoff, that's obviously unworkable as if leaves out at least one conference champ. All they need is a 6th power conference and an 8 team playoff. All 6 conference champs get in guaranteed and then let the committee decide on nothing but seeding and the 2 at-large teams. Easy peasy, win and you're in. And it gives the committee some wiggle room to take great teams who didn't win their conference (like OSU this year) without jumping them up over the legit champs which causes nothing but trouble (like OSU this year)

 

[Chaotic42]

College doesn't need to cede the conference structure. Major college sports has been morphing into super-conference and they just need to complete the job. They're got 5 "power" conferences now and only 4 spots in the BCS playoff, that's obviously unworkable as if leaves out at least one conference champ. All they need is a 6th power conference and an 8 team playoff. All 6 conference champs get in guaranteed and then let the committee decide on nothing but seeding and the 2 at-large teams. Easy peasy, win and you're in. And it gives the committee some wiggle room to take great teams who didn't win their conference (like OSU this year) without jumping them up over the legit champs which causes nothing but trouble (like OSU this year)

Agreed. Also, this Wisconsin game is getting interesting.

 

[destrekor]

College doesn't need to cede the conference structure. Major college sports has been morphing into super-conference and they just need to complete the job. They're got 5 "power" conferences now and only 4 spots in the BCS playoff, that's obviously unworkable as if leaves out at least one conference champ. All they need is a 6th power conference and an 8 team playoff. All 6 conference champs get in guaranteed and then let the committee decide on nothing but seeding and the 2 at-large teams. Easy peasy, win and you're in. And it gives the committee some wiggle room to take great teams who didn't win their conference (like OSU this year) without jumping them up over the legit champs which causes nothing but trouble (like OSU this year)

Personally I like the 5 conference champs + 3 at-large. More wiggle room AND still gets all the 5 power conferences.

 

[UncleWai]

What a come back for Pedo State, Wisconsin pass coverage is nonexistence.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Well this sucks. If Clemson completes their valiant attempt to shit the bed then Pedo State probably gets in.

 

[Chaotic42]

So now what?

 

[renz20003]

Wow peen state hasn't been on this side of a rape since Jerry Sandusky

 

[Fingolfin269]

So let me go back and mention once again why college football is screwed up.

Penn State beats Ohio State. Beats Wisconsin to win the Big 10. And Ohio State will likely get to play in the playoff while Penn State plays in a meaningless bowl game? Because people voted on it and that's, like, their opinion man? Wow.

 

[destrekor]

So let me go back and mention once again why college football is screwed up.

Penn State beats Ohio State. Beats Wisconsin to win the Big 10. And Ohio State will likely get to play in the playoff while Penn State plays in a meaningless bowl game? Because people voted on it and that's, like, their opinion man? Wow.

Well, you have to factor this in too: Penn State lost to PITT, an non-ranked team, and UM also beat them. OSU only lost once, to Penn State, and also beat UM. And OSU also had a tougher schedule, one of the toughest in the country when you look at Strength of Record (actually, the 2nd best SOR), and had a stronger Strength of Schedule compared to PSU.

There's a lot of variables here and I think whatever the committee decides, is going to be both right and wrong. They do not have an easy time, and both teams have proven they deserve to go after this season.

 

[LevelSea]

Looks like OSU is in.