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ESPN BPI is updated daily:
http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/131082/bpi-playoff-chances-for-nba-teams

I'm not saying it's accurate, BPI says there is a 1 in 3 chance of a sweep lol. Draymond Green and Klay Thompson both had off nights, and the Warriors still dominated. I don't think the final score is indicative of how one-sided it was after halftime. IMO the Cavs can't come back from an 0-2 hole this time. Steph isn't gimpy and KD makes Harrison Barnes look like a high schooler.
 

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ESPN Stats and Information
LeBron James and Stephen Curry both have triple-doubles. The Elias Sports Bureau notes that prior to tonight, the only game in NBA postseason history that featured opposing players with triple-doubles was Game 2 of the 1970 Eastern Conference Finals; Walt Frazier did it for the Knicks & Lew Alcindor did it for the Bucks.


Tom Haberstroh @tomhaberstroh
30-point triple-double in the Finals. Stephen Curry on the list. Not on the list: Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant.

Baxter Holmes ESPN Staff Writer
What a night for Kevin Durant. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Durant is just the fourth player in NBA Finals history with a 30-point, 5-block game. The others to pull off that feat: Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon (twice) and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (twice). Durant finished with 33 points, 13 rebounds, six assists, five blocks and three steals.

Dave McMenamin ESPN Staff Writer
The Cavs lost Games 1 and 2 of the 2016 Finals by a combined 48 points. They have now lost Games 1 and 2 of the 2017 Finals by a combined 41 points.
 
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Ackmed

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No, because this year they have Durant. I don't think the Warriors would have a chance without him. He stretches the court is so many ways, playing about any position on the court.

I used to really like Durant, wanted him to win. Last few years he's been a bit of a douche with his comments, and then bailing like he did rubbed me the wrong way. Warriors will win, he will get his ring, but not given a lot of respect imo.
 

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No, because this year they have Durant. I don't think the Warriors would have a chance without him. He stretches the court is so many ways, playing about any position on the court.

I used to really like Durant, wanted him to win. Last few years he's been a bit of a douche with his comments, and then bailing like he did rubbed me the wrong way. Warriors will win, he will get his ring, but not given a lot of respect imo.
Can you cite some of these douchey comments?
 

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I've only watched a couple quarters of the two games but Cavs defense is absolute shit. There was a time last night in the first half where Curry didn't have a defender within 15 feet of him. How does that happen? Tons of stupid, needless fouls on shooters. And other than Love being decent in the first 5 minutes of the game noone was doing anything to help Lebron on offense. I followed very little basketball this year. Is the east really that shitty that this was the best that we got from them? At this point, unless Silver calls in a few fixes and you see Curry getting 3 cheap fouls called on him in the first couple minutes in Cleveland it is looking like a 4 game sweep. Cleveland appears to have no answer on either side of the ball.
 
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Can you cite some of these douchey comments?

You know, telling his mom that she's the "real MVP". So douchey.

lol j/k. I have no idea what comments he's made in the past couple years. It's fun to see him at a level we haven't seen in awhile though. It seems he just fits well with GS.
 

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I've only watched a couple quarters of the two games but Cavs defense is absolute shit. There was a time last night in the first half where Curry didn't have a defender within 15 feet of him. How does that happen? Tons of stupid, needless fouls on shooters. And other than Love being decent in the first 5 minutes of the game noone was doing anything to help Lebron on offense. I followed very little basketball this year. Is the east really that shitty that this was the best that we got from them? At this point, unless Silver calls in a few fixes and you see Curry getting 3 cheap fouls called on him in the first couple minutes in Cleveland it is looking like a 4 game sweep. Cleveland appears to have no answer on either side of the ball.
I know right!?

JR Smith is almost comically useless these past 2 games.
 

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tynopik

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If you have kept up at all with the NBA, you'd probably have seen them.

Most recent; https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nt-as-arrogant-and-disrespectful-to-nba-fans/

He has since apologized. Someone probably got into his ear and told him it's not the tickets that pay his salary. He used to always say the right thing, be appreciative, etc. Not so much anymore.

what i got from that is that Durant is a horrible, no good person because
1. he joined the Warriors
2. he told fans to do what they want
 

Ackmed

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You don't have to agree, I really don't care. Fact is, many people feel the same way. Its been a recent hot topic, unless of course you don't pay attention to NBA news. Its an opinion, you're welcome to yours.
 

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i haven't been following it, so i'm just going by what you posted. If there's more to it than that, i'm all ears, but from that article, SAS came across as far more of a petty, vindictive jerk than Durant
 

Ackmed

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Oh he for sure is, I don't normally agree with anything he says. He too is an arrogant jackass, so its hypocritical for him to call someone else that. However, in this case, I do agree. It was on talk shows/TV shows for awhile. Most people had a problem with it, some did not. Same as for him bailing and joining the team that beat him last year, AFTER he had the Warriors down 3-1. Warriors won the last 3, then lost to Cavs. So Durant hops over to them, pretty big deal to a lot of people. But its his life, he can do as he pleases. Just as we can have an opinion about it. The past few years Durant has changed. He's been in the league for long time now, perhaps jaded. He's said and done several things that have made him seem as he was described in that link. And his ring won't mean nearly as much.
 

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People blasted, horribly blasted LeBron for going to Miami. Durant should be getting blasted even more so for going to GSW. LeBron had good reason to leave Cleveland, they absolutely sucked. When he left, look at their record. Durant and the Thunder very nearly beat the best team in basketball but left his team to join them. Way worse in my book.
 

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GSW is a bunch Satan worshiping ring whores... by joining them KD sold his soul to the Devil... Cavaliers need to send in some assassins to take out KD and maybe another scumbag, just like what GSW did with Kawhi... kick KD in the knee and Green in the nuts, oh wait, he doesn't have any anyways... Again, screw NBA...
 

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People blasted, horribly blasted LeBron for going to Miami. Durant should be getting blasted even more so for going to GSW. LeBron had good reason to leave Cleveland, they absolutely sucked. When he left, look at their record. Durant and the Thunder very nearly beat the best team in basketball but left his team to join them. Way worse in my book.

that's really idiotic - we should criticize players proportionally based on the strength of the team they join? Isn't the whole point of the game to win? Should we institute a rule that players can only join shitty teams?

I love how Lebron was demonized for coming to Miami, yet he's somehow a saint for going back to Cleveland (and assembling a super team loaded with more stars than Miami ever had). There is no rhyme or reason to the way fans view this game. I don't like the rules that allow for this absolute lack of parity, but I'm not going to criticize the players for using those rules to win rings.
 

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that's really idiotic - we should criticize players proportionally based on the strength of the team they join? Isn't the whole point of the game to win? Should we institute a rule that players can only join shitty teams?

I love how Lebron was demonized for coming to Miami, yet he's somehow a saint for going back to Cleveland (and assembling a super team loaded with more stars than Miami ever had). There is no rhyme or reason to the way fans view this game. I don't like the rules that allow for this absolute lack of parity, but I'm not going to criticize the players for using those rules to win rings.

It would have been totally different if he would have joined a team like the Cavs because they didn't nearly beat them on the playoffs prior to him leaving. Especially when that same player criticized LeBron for moving teams. Of course it's within the rules. There are many things that are fine with in the rules of sports that all of us criticize. Hell, there are things that are outside of the rules that people are fine with.

These super teams are obviously a problem in the NBA, so much so that they just made a rule, nicknamed the Durant Rule, your current team can pay a hell of a lot more than other teams.
 

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It would have been totally different if he would have joined a team like the Cavs because they didn't nearly beat them on the playoffs prior to him leaving. Especially when that same player criticized LeBron for moving teams. Of course it's within the rules. There are many things that are fine with in the rules of sports that all of us criticize. Hell, there are things that are outside of the rules that people are fine with.

These super teams are obviously a problem in the NBA, so much so that they just made a rule, nicknamed the Durant Rule, your current team can pay a hell of a lot more than other teams.
I thought that was called the Larry Bird exception?

https://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/larry-bird-exception.aspx
 

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It really is stupid to criticize KD for going where he wanted to go. I hear the worst of it around here being in the DC area because everyone around here assumed he would come here just because this is his home town. When he didn't even pick up the phone from Washington last year it made people hate him even more.

Fact of the matter is he wanted to go somewhere and win and better his output. It's nothing more than that. I think that most people in all walks of life would want to do that as well. I don't blame him at all and don't hate on him at all for it. Good for him doing what he wanted to do to better himself and his family and not worry about what the peanut gallery thinks.

A great comparison I heard on the radio last week was comparing KD to Karl Malone. I would be willing to bet that most people don't realize Malone is the 2nd highest scoring player in the NBA of all time. ALL TIME. Yet nobody ever even has him in the conversation of being one of the best players of all time. And why is that? Since he never got his ring and was never a championship. He got close a few times but never got there. KD was basically on that path, and he decided to change it so that he had a better chance at a ring. And it looks like he's coasting to one.

In 5-10 years no one is going to put an asterisk on KD's ring he gets this year, and possibly more in the next few years. They will just remember that he was part of one of the greatest dynasties in an era and has rings. People will move on and cry about the latest and greatest thing.

And damn, pulling out a SAS article to try and prove someone else is douchey. That is a bold (and bad) play lol.
 

tynopik

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KD was basically on that path, and he decided to change it so that he had a better chance at a ring. And it looks like he's coasting to one.

if game 2 was coasting, i would hate to say what 'motivated' KD looks like
 

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It really is stupid to criticize KD for going where he wanted to go. I hear the worst of it around here being in the DC area because everyone around here assumed he would come here just because this is his home town. When he didn't even pick up the phone from Washington last year it made people hate him even more.

Fact of the matter is he wanted to go somewhere and win and better his output. It's nothing more than that. I think that most people in all walks of life would want to do that as well. I don't blame him at all and don't hate on him at all for it. Good for him doing what he wanted to do to better himself and his family and not worry about what the peanut gallery thinks.

A great comparison I heard on the radio last week was comparing KD to Karl Malone. I would be willing to bet that most people don't realize Malone is the 2nd highest scoring player in the NBA of all time. ALL TIME. Yet nobody ever even has him in the conversation of being one of the best players of all time. And why is that? Since he never got his ring and was never a championship. He got close a few times but never got there. KD was basically on that path, and he decided to change it so that he had a better chance at a ring. And it looks like he's coasting to one.

In 5-10 years no one is going to put an asterisk on KD's ring he gets this year, and possibly more in the next few years. They will just remember that he was part of one of the greatest dynasties in an era and has rings. People will move on and cry about the latest and greatest thing.

And damn, pulling out a SAS article to try and prove someone else is douchey. That is a bold (and bad) play lol.
I understand the "optics" looked bad, but I agree with you totally that fans are way too wound up about his move. In pretty much any other industry, or even pro sports league, nobody really cares if an elite employee joins an elite company. Granted other sports are not as top-heavy as an NBA roster, but KD spent 9 seasons playing for OKC and won one Finals game. People keep harping that the Thunder were so close last season before failing, but if anything that reinforces to me that KD needed to get the hell away from Russell Westbrook. The front office had made questionable moves for a few years and IMO there was little evidence that OKC would seriously contend against the Warriors for the next couple seasons.

Sure he cherry-picked an ideal situation to go to and obviously most NBA fans don't care for that. But people need to stop thinking that the players owe us more loyalty or more league parity. Right now he's the clear cut favorite to win the Finals MVP award (and his first title). So did he ride the Dubs' coattails, or are they riding his?
 
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