2017 NBA Playoffs

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Muse

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There's something to be said for building your own legacy and that of your team and city, not fleeing to someone else's. I leveled the same criticism at Lebron when he left Cleveland.
And Lebron didn't give a shit what you thought and neither do KD or myself. Building legacies is for fools.
 

Red Storm

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Things have been lopsided in the NBA for a long time. There's never really been true parity like people are claiming there has been. It's just that the top 2 teams right now are on another level, with GS being on even another level. But I mean let's be real. The lakers dominated a decade, the bulls dominated a decade, the Pistons for years, the Celtics for years, etc. People need to stop pretending like the NBA was this big parity filled league before these "super teams" we have today came into play.

You say that like:

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... Are normal occurrences. They're not, when the Lakers 3-peated, they had very tough battles in the West to get to the finals. The Warriors are rolling everyone, it's not even close. How is that enjoyable?
 

tynopik

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kevin-durant-closes-the-door-on-lebron/

Of the game’s 48 minutes, he took a seat for a grand total of two minutes, 24 seconds. Yet in that span of rest, his Cavaliers were outscored 12-0, an enormous margin in a game decided by just five points.

Meanwhile, the Cavs didn’t take advantage while the Warriors’ superstars sat. Warriors coach Steve Kerr, who made a handful of costly rotation choices in last year’s NBA Finals, trotted out lineups without Durant or Stephen Curry on Wednesday. (This is likely the biggest reason why the Warriors have struggled in second quarters this postseason relative to their dominance in the other three periods.) In fact, Kerr did this twice, for a total of five minutes, 34 seconds. Yet Cleveland didn’t create a real gap, only outscoring Golden State by three, 14-11, in that time.

Curry’s unexpected rebounding was critical

When you think about the NBA’s most gritty players, people like Green, Tony Allen and Patrick Beverley might come to mind. Curry? Not so much.

But the 6-foot-3-inch sharpshooter came up big in the trenches Wednesday, logging 13 rebounds, the most for a point guard in the NBA Finals since at least 1984, according to Basketball-Reference.com’s Play Index. Even more impressive: Five of those rebounds were offensive, and the Warriors ended up scoring seven points off those extra chances — a huge boost in a five-point victory.

To put Curry’s rebounding into context, consider that he had more total boards on Wednesday alone than ace rebounder Tristan Thompson — whom the Warriors have neutralized beautifully by getting bodies on him while the ball is in the air — has had in this entire series.
 

purbeast0

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You say that like:

73-9

15 (potentially 16) - 0

... Are normal occurrences. They're not, when the Lakers 3-peated, they had very tough battles in the West to get to the finals. The Warriors are rolling everyone, it's not even close. How is that enjoyable?
Did you even read what I posted?

I flat out said we've never seen anything like GS and they are on another level...
 

Muse

Lifer
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You say that like:

73-9

15 (potentially 16) - 0

... Are normal occurrences. They're not, when the Lakers 3-peated, they had very tough battles in the West to get to the finals. The Warriors are rolling everyone, it's not even close. How is that enjoyable?
I'm liking it, you aren't? The game last night wasn't a cake walk, it wasn't domination except for the last couple minutes when LJ and KI ran out of gas. If 15-0 has been so damn boring then why are the ratings the best since ~1998? Last night we witnessed a very high level of play, there was plenty of amazement.

Curry’s unexpected rebounding was critical

When you think about the NBA’s most gritty players, people like Green, Tony Allen and Patrick Beverley might come to mind. Curry? Not so much.

But the 6-foot-3-inch sharpshooter came up big in the trenches Wednesday, logging 13 rebounds, the most for a point guard in the NBA Finals since at least 1984, according to Basketball-Reference.com’s Play Index. Even more impressive: Five of those rebounds were offensive, and the Warriors ended up scoring seven points off those extra chances — a huge boost in a five-point victory.

To put Curry’s rebounding into context, consider that he had more total boards on Wednesday alone than ace rebounder Tristan Thompson — whom the Warriors have neutralized beautifully by getting bodies on him while the ball is in the air — has had in this entire series.

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Excellent point, tynopik. Curry's contribution last night was over the top great.

One more thing: In the post game on Bay Area ABC, they crack jokes about Cancun. What's that about?
 
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purbeast0

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Does the broom come out tonight? I think it does.
Probably so.

It would be simply incredible if the Cavs could pull the reverse sweep, topping last year's 3 game comeback. But there is not a chance in hell that will happen.
 

WaTaGuMp

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Probably so.

It would be simply incredible if the Cavs could pull the reverse sweep, topping last year's 3 game comeback. But there is not a chance in hell that will happen.

I thought they had the last game, then BOOM, 3 minutes of hahahaha, take that fuckers.
 

lupi

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Was nice to finally see the rest of the team show up, at least for the first 3 quarters. An amazing disappearing act in the 4th though.
 

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Yeah I think this is done tonight. Cleveland isn't able to keep up for a full 4 quarters and GS can turn a 5-10 deficit into a 10 point lead like no other team I've seen. Their ability to put up points is just redonk. This has been a bloodbath and it looks like amateur hour in the east.
 

tynopik

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for cleveland to win this series, what they have to do is very simple:
take out Durant
 

Muse

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I thought they had the last game, then BOOM, 3 minutes of hahahaha, take that fuckers.
I was in disbelief when that happened. Did that really happen? I immediately rewound my DVR recording to the -3:00 mark and rewatched it to find out what really happened. On first viewing I didn't really get it. On the rewatch I realized much better -- basically, to a large extent, the Cavs didn't have much left in the tank. Lebron played 46 minutes, Kyrie 44. The Warriors were much fresher.
 

Ackmed

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Does anyone say Shaq's legacy is tarnished because he left Orlando?

Its not even close to the same thing. Blindly comparing anyone who changed teams is silly.

KD and the Thunder had the Warriors DOWN 3 games to 1 last year in conference champ. Warriors came back to beat them. He couldn't seal the deal with three tries. Many made the comment that KD wasn't a franchise player, questioned his legacy etc. So the move makes that even more questionable.

So he changes to the team that beat him. Not to another team to beat the Warriors.

And Lebron didn't give a shit what you thought and neither do KD or myself. Building legacies is for fools.

Circumstances are not the same. The Heat did not just beat the Cavs in the conference champ. Legacies are what players are compared to. Pats legacy after the past few years? Probably cemented as the best of all time. Brady? Same thing. When players retire, championships and legacies are what matters.

KD may very well not care what anyone else thinks, and that is perfectly fine. He doesn't have to. The thing about being in the public spot light, is we get to have opinions on it. He doesnt have to care or agree. Some current and former players have an issue with him jumping ship. Some current and former players do not. Same for media heads.

for cleveland to win this series, what they have to do is very simple:
take out Durant

You mean like the Warriors did to Leonard? Warriors would have lost at least that game.

Bottom line is, Durant should, and thinks he did what is best for him. No problem with that. Its what all players should do. We get to have opinions about him and it though. I don't have to agree with you, you don't have to agree with me. This happens all the time in sports, and one reason they're so enjoyable. The way that game ended, scoring 11 in the last 3 mins, and James not doing anything the last few mins is the bigger story line. Cavs had too many turn overs, and had Korver hit that 3 from the corner and not missed, Cavs would have won. It was the right play, that is what Korver is supposed to do. He simply missed. Jordan passed to Kerr to win a championship at the 3 line at the end of the game too. Instead KD comes down and hits a 3. End of the game. Hell of a game for KD, and series frankly. Warriors wouldn't beat the Cavs without KD I don't think. Have yet to win a series with a healthy Cavs team. KD won't stay with the Warriors very long I don't think, the team wont stay together too long. Contracts coming up, few years the bandwagoners will be gone.

I'd be very surprised if the Cavs won. Pride can only carry you so far, they have to be tired. The Cavs could win, after such a let down and exertion of emotions it will be hard.
 

manly

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LeBron has long carried a heavy minutes burden in the playoffs, but it's been especially bad for the past few years. I've always contended that his gas tank isn't the best; sure he can play the 45 minutes but the last 5 or so are usually sub-optimal. Although the team's +/- tanks when LeBron is out, I feel it's still a sign of bad coaching to not steal a couple extra minutes of rest for him throughout the game. Game 3 they probably felt like they had no choice because it was a must-win situation. LeBron and Kyrie Irving are not leaving the game when they are lighting it up for 3 quarters, and there's almost no margin for error.

Having said that, KD's clutch transition 3 wasn't the nail in the coffin. It put the Dubs up by just 1 point, and then Kyrie had the poor 1-on-1 possession. I realize that ISO is the Cavs' M.O. with LeBron and Kyrie, but I'd much rather live with Kyle Korver missing a very make-able shot than with hero balling gone bad. To be fair, Irving had driven to the rim time and time again in the 3rd quarter and dazzled with his scoring ability. So you trust him in that situation. But I still want a head coach to put his team in a better situation to win than simply asking "go get a basket for us" against an elite defender.
 

Muse

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I don't think KD is going to be in a hurry to move on from the Warriors. Where he is he's in a great position to win several championships, where else would he have that? He has great relationships with his fellow players and the coach. Better than he's likely to get anywhere else. He's making great money. He's now in a place that's culturally ultra diverse. He's the new guy now. From now on he'll only be more comfortable there. Why would he want to move on now?

Curry, Green and Thompson likewise have no reason to want to roam. They have a solid core and a team ethos that works for everyone. The owners are terrific, arguably they are the people who got all this rolling once they'd bought the team. Curry was there but he hadn't fully blossomed yet due to his recurrent ankle injuries. He seems to be over that now. I'd say the biggest question at this point is will Steve Kerr get over his condition.
 
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I don't think KD is going to be in a hurry to move on from the Warriors. Where he is he's in a great position to win several championships, where else would he have that? He has great relationships with his fellow players and the coach. Better than he's likely to get anywhere else. He's making great money. He's now in a place that's culturally ultra diverse. He's the new guy now. From now on he'll only be more comfortable there. Why would he want to move on now?

Curry, Green and Thompson likewise have no reason to want to roam. They have a solid core and a team ethos that works for everyone. The owners are terrific, arguably they are the people who got all this rolling once they'd bought the team. Curry was there but he hadn't fully blossomed yet due to his recurrent ankle injuries. He seems to be over that now. I'd say the biggest question at this point is will Steve Kerr get over his condition.

Money. Even with new CBA the luxury tax is going to eat some serious cash to keep that much talent in place.
 

WaTaGuMp

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I don't watch BB to see a fucking skank Kardashian and hear announcers stand up for her. Cavs starting off strong against the small ball game.
 

WaTaGuMp

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Holy fuckballs, Cavs shot making right now is sick. If they didn't miss all those free throws, the game might already be over.
 

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Cavs coming out looking amazeballs. Let's see how momentum and fatigue treat them in the second half. The refs are definitely giving dinner home court cooking.
 
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