2017 Political Predictions

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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
28,019
38,496
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Hopefully we'll get back to standing behind Israel.

Oh please.

Obama was the much needed adjustment to US-Israeli relations, and Netanyahu and his American servants helped facilitate it by being complete assholes.

Going back to being a stooge for Israel is grounded in the bullshit religious dogma of the American right wing. They respect Netanyahu more than the office of President, as they showed everyone not too long ago. Screw that and screw Israel-first "Americans."
 

colonel

Golden Member
Apr 22, 2001
1,777
18
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Obama was the much needed adjustment to US-Israeli relations, and Netanyahu and his American servants helped facilitate it by being complete assholes.

agreed, these politicians will start playing with yellow jackets, we are all will be stung by terrorist
 

FrankRamiro

Senior member
Sep 5, 2012
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Here are the 2017 political predictions from Caspian Report and Iam Bremmer.

Caspian Report is predicting Trump focusing mostly on destroying shit, NAFTA staying around, few illegal immigrants actually getting deported, and Trump probably getting impeached if he fucks up too much of the economy, particularly the massive GDP that Texas and California apparently trade with Mexico.

The Middle East getting even worse than it already is, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict resuming, the Syrian Civil War not getting any more peaceful, ISIS members returning to their countries of origin, Turkey trespassing even more in both Iraq and Syria, the Iran Deal probably staying around unless Trump wants to fuck shit up and get no return, and the current cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia rapidly and greatly expanding into a 2 front war with Turkey and Iran now going at each others throats.

Europe has a ton of shit going on, with major elections in many if not most of the European countries, with populist and fascist condidates in strong contention, with the French Election potentially being one of if not the most important European election this year, with La Pen and Francois Fillon being strong contenders, Italy has an upcoming election in 2018 resulting from the resignation of Matteo Renzi after the defeat of the Italian Referendum, but the Italian Supreme Court is likely to rule favorable on new legislation to change the Italian Electoral Law which will shut out Beppe Grillo and his Five Star Movement, the Dutch Election might see some strong showing from Geert Wilders and the PVV, but the other more centrist parties are probably going to form a coalition, and shut him out, and Merkel is probably going to win her reelection, and the character of the 2017 German Election and any response from Merkel will probably be dependant upon the results from the earlier European elections in 2017.

Caspian Report still hasnt made the video for the 2nd part of his European Analysis, so hopefully that will be released soon, and it covers potentially the hottest flashpoint in the world today, Eastern and Northern Europe.

Iam Bremmer and his friend talk about 2016 and 2017, which they term the Geopolitical Recession, and they consider it just as important as the 2008 Economic Recession, and they consider this the worst year of geopolitical recession since 1945. They talk about what they think are the top 10 geopolitical risks of 2017, and you obviously know what country is the biggest political risk of 2017. They also expect Xi Jinping to be very important this year, which should be obvious to even drunk squirrels.

Because of the way media is apparently being handled, I will have to throw the videos down below.



For you i just have to say, you are an A***H**** anti-American ,do you know what i mean?

you are an anti-American that is here to help to destroy America in the name of i don't know what! the way you talk ,you sound like a F******* Libertarian/Lunatic Democratic , you must belong to that radical crack heads lunatics that came down yesterday to disrupt the democratic process of President inauguration,braking,burning ,everything on their way,but some of you are in jail now and are gonna be paying a great price for that,remember the soft way of punishing the people that do make acts of terror are gone with your F******* democratic former President Obama/Crooked Hillary that instead of punishing these lunatic acts of terror they punished the people and organizations that defended our populations from these thugs and drug dealers that only want to make terror and chaos.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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we are heading to the European and Americanization populism.

So it would seem, but I think the image you posted isn't very illuminating as it shows who is likely to support populist platforms with no considerations as to why this is. I'd say it is even misleading for that reason.

Consider that no one gets up in the morning and suddenly says "it's a grand day to go hate an immigrant", no there are reasons people do and that is a highly complex thing not explained with overbroad terms like "xenophobe" and "racist". Hillary tried that with her "basket of deplorables", attacking those she had no clue about instead of Trump, and like Romney that cost her.

More constructively it might be worth the effort of looking through the eyes of people as best we may. Social tensions which exist because of a lack of understanding, incompatibilities of custom, crime, perceived threat to employment, a potential loss of a culture and history- these are real concerns. How rational they are varies on the situation.

That's the tip of the iceberg, but simple tags and grouping people into "boxes" is less than useful when dealing with human understanding and motivations. We haven't even gotten into how leadership factors in.

A lot of banging on the table with shoes and sadly that is as far as it goes with too many who should know better.
 

PottedMeat

Lifer
Apr 17, 2002
12,365
475
126
gotta say i love these posts, they add a much needed psychotic tint to p&n

For you i just have to say, you are an A***H**** anti-American ,do you know what i mean?

you are an anti-American that is here to help to destroy America in the name of i don't know what! the way you talk ,you sound like a F******* Libertarian/Lunatic Democratic , you must belong to that radical crack heads lunatics that came down yesterday to disrupt the democratic process of President inauguration,braking,burning ,everything on their way,but some of you are in jail now and are gonna be paying a great price for that,remember the soft way of punishing the people that do make acts of terror are gone with your F******* democratic former President Obama/Crooked Hillary that instead of punishing these lunatic acts of terror they punished the people and organizations that defended our populations from these thugs and drug dealers that only want to make terror and chaos.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
69,505
27,801
136
For you i just have to say, you are an A***H**** anti-American ,do you know what i mean?

you are an anti-American that is here to help to destroy America in the name of i don't know what! the way you talk ,you sound like a F******* Libertarian/Lunatic Democratic , you must belong to that radical crack heads lunatics that came down yesterday to disrupt the democratic process of President inauguration,braking,burning ,everything on their way,but some of you are in jail now and are gonna be paying a great price for that,remember the soft way of punishing the people that do make acts of terror are gone with your F******* democratic former President Obama/Crooked Hillary that instead of punishing these lunatic acts of terror they punished the people and organizations that defended our populations from these thugs and drug dealers that only want to make terror and chaos.
^^ Franco-American!
 
Feb 4, 2009
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So it would seem, but I think the image you posted isn't very illuminating as it shows who is likely to support populist platforms with no considerations as to why this is. I'd say it is even misleading for that reason.

Consider that no one gets up in the morning and suddenly says "it's a grand day to go hate an immigrant", no there are reasons people do and that is a highly complex thing not explained with overbroad terms like "xenophobe" and "racist". Hillary tried that with her "basket of deplorables", attacking those she had no clue about instead of Trump, and like Romney that cost her.

More constructively it might be worth the effort of looking through the eyes of people as best we may. Social tensions which exist because of a lack of understanding, incompatibilities of custom, crime, perceived threat to employment, a potential loss of a culture and history- these are real concerns. How rational they are varies on the situation.

That's the tip of the iceberg, but simple tags and grouping people into "boxes" is less than useful when dealing with human understanding and motivations. We haven't even gotten into how leadership factors in.

A lot of banging on the table with shoes and sadly that is as far as it goes with too many who should know better.

I came here to post something similar but less eloquent. Thanks for a good summary.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
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For you i just have to say, you are an A***H**** anti-American ,do you know what i mean?

you are an anti-American that is here to help to destroy America in the name of i don't know what! the way you talk ,you sound like a F******* Libertarian/Lunatic Democratic , you must belong to that radical crack heads lunatics that came down yesterday to disrupt the democratic process of President inauguration,braking,burning ,everything on their way,but some of you are in jail now and are gonna be paying a great price for that,remember the soft way of punishing the people that do make acts of terror are gone with your F******* democratic former President Obama/Crooked Hillary that instead of punishing these lunatic acts of terror they punished the people and organizations that defended our populations from these thugs and drug dealers that only want to make terror and chaos.


In the defense of the anti-American radical crack heads here, note that they obviously dislike many things and I have bumped heads with some, but as forum members who I have seen post I can't think of any of them who would be burning or looting. Personal opinions on these issues aside I suggest you rethink your statement about them personally- This is coming from one who has been accused of being a Conservative racist.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
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^^ Franco-American!

Whoa memory flashback- We had a bar and corner store on just about every block in the inner city of Philly when I was a kid. I used to go down to the store and pick up a box of Chef Boyardee spaghetti dinner in a box. It was a can of meat sauce and dry pasta. I ate that up.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
69,505
27,801
136
Whoa memory flashback- We had a bar and corner store on just about every block in the inner city of Philly when I was a kid. I used to go down to the store and pick up a box of Chef Boyardee spaghetti dinner in a box. It was a can of meat sauce and dry pasta. I ate that up.
Yep, good stuff.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
13,990
180
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So it would seem, but I think the image you posted isn't very illuminating as it shows who is likely to support populist platforms with no considerations as to why this is. I'd say it is even misleading for that reason.

Consider that no one gets up in the morning and suddenly says "it's a grand day to go hate an immigrant", no there are reasons people do and that is a highly complex thing not explained with overbroad terms like "xenophobe" and "racist". Hillary tried that with her "basket of deplorables", attacking those she had no clue about instead of Trump, and like Romney that cost her.

More constructively it might be worth the effort of looking through the eyes of people as best we may. Social tensions which exist because of a lack of understanding, incompatibilities of custom, crime, perceived threat to employment, a potential loss of a culture and history- these are real concerns. How rational they are varies on the situation.

That's the tip of the iceberg, but simple tags and grouping people into "boxes" is less than useful when dealing with human understanding and motivations. We haven't even gotten into how leadership factors in.

A lot of banging on the table with shoes and sadly that is as far as it goes with too many who should know better.

Khruschev was a saint compared to most politicians. At least he actually seemed to try to make the world a much better place.

And as for populists, there is only one truth about them.

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of shit, and I’d like to get as many of them out in the open as possible."

I hate the overall subtle message that keeps getting played that we should respect people for lining up behind racism and fascism because they "are doing it for other reasons than racism and fascism" and they are just poor decent souls who we are attacking, and that they can do no bad.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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Khruschev was a saint compared to most politicians. At least he actually seemed to try to make the world a much better place.

And as for populists, there is only one truth about them.

"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of shit, and I’d like to get as many of them out in the open as possible."

I hate the overall subtle message that keeps getting played that we should respect people for lining up behind racism and fascism because they "are doing it for other reasons than racism and fascism" and they are just poor decent souls who we are attacking, and that they can do no bad.

You are welcome to believe what you will but while it may be emotionally satisfying to declare reality in narrow terms it doesn't meet intellectual rigor. If you set in concrete your are the more fragile for it. But how you approach things is up to you. As far as lining up behind racism and fascism, are you accusing me of doing that? I haven't supported anything. I'm trying to understand what lies beyond the surface. Is it offensive to you that I try?

There is a role for passion, but not based on ignorance.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
13,990
180
106
You are welcome to believe what you will but while it may be emotionally satisfying to declare reality in narrow terms it doesn't meet intellectual rigor. If you set in concrete your are the more fragile for it. But how you approach things is up to you. As far as lining up behind racism and fascism, are you accusing me of doing that? I haven't supported anything. I'm trying to understand what lies beyond the surface. Is it offensive to you that I try?

There is a role for passion, but not based on ignorance.

No, that isnt what I was saying. I was saying I hate how people are basically being apologists for those who voted for Trump. And I wasnt actually specifically focusing on what you were saying, I was more addressing the broader existence of that phenomenon.

Their problems may be real, but it doesnt absolve them of being willing to vote for racism and fascism and the possible deaths that may result from them just for the small to moderate possibility they might raise their standard of living or placate their insecurities.
 

TeeJay1952

Golden Member
May 28, 2004
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Trump organizes the unorganizable. (in opposition to him)
30% higher voter turnout.
Back on the path to the United Federation.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
13,990
180
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Part 2 of the 2017 European Analysis has finally arrived, covering Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and the Caucasus.

 
Feb 16, 2005
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For you i just have to say, you are an A***H**** anti-American ,do you know what i mean?

you are an anti-American that is here to help to destroy America in the name of i don't know what! the way you talk ,you sound like a F******* Libertarian/Lunatic Democratic , you must belong to that radical crack heads lunatics that came down yesterday to disrupt the democratic process of President inauguration,braking,burning ,everything on their way,but some of you are in jail now and are gonna be paying a great price for that,remember the soft way of punishing the people that do make acts of terror are gone with your F******* democratic former President Obama/Crooked Hillary that instead of punishing these lunatic acts of terror they punished the people and organizations that defended our populations from these thugs and drug dealers that only want to make terror and chaos.
HELL YEA FRANKIE!!
I really like that the protesters took time to stop before burning.
Hellava rant Frankie. One of your best.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,775
49,434
136
Isreal is a huge buyer of American military hardware exports. Good business. Canada couldn't afford a fraction of what Isreal buys.

Don't get me wrong, if Nafta is cancelled I'll most probably be out of a job, it what it is I guess.

Canada GDP: ~US $600 billion.
Israel GDP: ~ US $310 billion.

Canada could afford roughly twice what Israel buys if they wanted to. Not sure why you mistake us giving Israel billions to buy our weapons with Israel being able to afford those weapons without our help.
 

Thebobo

Lifer
Jun 19, 2006
18,592
7,673
136
Hopefully we'll get back to standing behind Israel.

We already stand $38 Billion in Military Aid behind them.

Think if we used some of that money to help americans. Maybe they need to do with less as well eh Mr Trump er I mean Bannon?
 
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