2018 Budget: $1 trillion cut from Medicaid, $473 billion cut from Medicare to pay for lowering taxes

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
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Someone needs to do a poll of the American electorate to see how many people actually agree that lowering corporate tax rates will actually help the American people. I bet it's near zero; Republicans support this solely because Democrats don't. Utter insanity.

USA Today - The Senate passed its budget plan: Here's what that means for tax cuts, what it doesn't and what's next

Approved 51-49 on Thursday night — Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul joined Democrats in opposing it — the budget differs significantly from one passed by the House on Oct. 5, especially in the amount the national debt can be raised by tax cuts.

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The budget also includes reconciliation language that the energy committee could use to ease restrictions on oil drilling in the Arctic, so a bill that is brought up to do that also may not be filibustered.

Over the next 10 years, the budget calls for $473 billion in cuts from Medicare and $1 trillion from Medicaid. They are part of $5 trillion in cuts mentioned overall, but most are not specified.

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Because the bill was not binding, Republicans argued Democratic attempts to amend the budget to put in restrictions were premature.

Over the course of two days, the Republican majority voted almost en bloc against amendments that included a requirement that no one making $250,000 or less would face a tax increase, to prevent tax cuts from increasing the deficit, to require a "score" on a tax bill's impact from the Congressional Budget Office before a vote could be taken, and to prevent cuts to Medicare or Medicaid.

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Puffnstuff

Lifer
Mar 9, 2005
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I'm waiting for the R's to require political party affiliations on drivers licenses. Of course any action that defies them will be called out as premature and if they don't protest ahead of time they'll say it was a silent approval of their plan. Washington has more political spin than a commercial laundry mat.
 
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UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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What more is there to say? Garbage Party keeps on being garbage. Will their members finally stand against it? Dullards, Racists, Idiots that make up the party will not - until it hits home. Fuck them.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Sounds good to me. The people most likely to be affected by this were the ones that elected these garbage politicians.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Someone needs to do a poll of the American electorate to see how many people actually agree that lowering corporate tax rates will actually help the American people. I bet it's near zero; Republicans support this solely because Democrats don't. Utter insanity.

USA Today - The Senate passed its budget plan: Here's what that means for tax cuts, what it doesn't and what's next

Approved 51-49 on Thursday night — Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul joined Democrats in opposing it — the budget differs significantly from one passed by the House on Oct. 5, especially in the amount the national debt can be raised by tax cuts.

...

The budget also includes reconciliation language that the energy committee could use to ease restrictions on oil drilling in the Arctic, so a bill that is brought up to do that also may not be filibustered.

Over the next 10 years, the budget calls for $473 billion in cuts from Medicare and $1 trillion from Medicaid. They are part of $5 trillion in cuts mentioned overall, but most are not specified.

...

Because the bill was not binding, Republicans argued Democratic attempts to amend the budget to put in restrictions were premature.

Over the course of two days, the Republican majority voted almost en bloc against amendments that included a requirement that no one making $250,000 or less would face a tax increase, to prevent tax cuts from increasing the deficit, to require a "score" on a tax bill's impact from the Congressional Budget Office before a vote could be taken, and to prevent cuts to Medicare or Medicaid.

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Silly peon. The only "electorate" they care about are the ones with the VERY deep pockets who will benefit the most from these actions.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Silly peon. The only "electorate" they care about are the ones with the VERY deep pockets who will benefit the most from these actions.

The Repub leadership apparently believes that their base & much of the electorate has been sufficiently crazified that they'll get the votes regardless of their actions. I'm sure the election of Trump only deepened their belief & emboldened their efforts.

They need to get the dirty deeds done this year so that they can concentrate on the usual for the midterms- God, guns, gays, abortion, terrar, illegals, freedumb & the rest of it that keeps the rubes voting for their own economic demise every time.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Try to think of the children that stand to inherit millions of dollars from their parents that will have to pay taxes on those millions. We couldn't let them keep every cent of every dollar they didn't earn AND let poor and middle class Americans keep their Medicare and Medicaid as it is. Sacrifices had to be made.
 

disappoint

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Dec 7, 2009
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-democrats-are-board-health-care-deal-n813051

WASHINGTON — Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Sunday morning that “all 48 Democrats” in the Senate are on board with the health care deal negotiated between Senators Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., and Patty Murray, D-Wash.

If Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., bring the bill to the floor in both chambers, it would “pass overwhelmingly," Schumer, D-N.Y., claimed during an interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press.”

After numerous attempts at repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act failed to pass Congress, the two leaders of the Senate’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, Sen. Alexander and Sen. Murray, started creating an outline for legislation that’s aimed at stabilizing the health insurance markets.

“This is a good compromise,” Schumer said. “It took months to work out. It has a majority. It has 60 senators supporting it. We have all 48 Democrats, 12 Republicans. I would urge Senator McConnell to put it on the floor immediately. It will pass, and it will pass by a large number of votes.”

Are you telling me "both sides do it"™? Because this is how you tell me both sides do it, without being sarcastic.

Has anyone else noticed the R haters in this thread are suffering from CBS? Confirmation Bias Syndrome. What do you have to say for yourselves when you're in here bitching about the Rs again when your own Ds are supporting this more than Rs?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Budget also includes elimination of state and local tax deduction.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/house-budget-vote-tax-reform/index.html

Which obviously screws over residents of states like CA and NY with higher rates of state income tax. Yet those states already pay out more in taxes than they get back, while the red states pay out less in taxes than they receive. This will exacerbate the disparity even further.
 
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brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Budget also includes elimination of state and local tax deduction.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/house-budget-vote-tax-reform/index.html

Which obviously screws over residents of states like CA and NY with higher rates of state income tax. Yet those states already pay out more in taxes than they get back, while the red states pay out less in taxes than they receive. This will exacerbate the disparity even further.

Those are typically blue states so the GOP could care less.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Those are typically blue states so the GOP could care less.

It's more likely worse than just nor caring. It's by design. They aim to pay for their tax cuts for the rich by taking from the poor and elderly, and from blue state democrats. Disgusting.
 
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ivwshane

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-democrats-are-board-health-care-deal-n813051



Are you telling me "both sides do it"™? Because this is how you tell me both sides do it, without being sarcastic.

Has anyone else noticed the R haters in this thread are suffering from CBS? Confirmation Bias Syndrome. What do you have to say for yourselves when you're in here bitching about the Rs again when your own Ds are supporting this more than Rs?

Was that sarcasm or was this your coming out post?
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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Property tax deduction against Federal Taxes were HUGE for me. In IL I used to have a 10k a year property tax bill. When doing my federal taxes on Turbo Tax it was like hitting a jackpot in Vegas. The refund total at the top went from being deep in the red to big bucks in the green. Killing that is huge to home owners. I guess it comes down to how they manage the standard deduction and what the limit is. But many years I was looking at a $20k deduction in just property taxes and mortgage interest alone.
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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Property tax deduction against Federal Taxes were HUGE for me. In IL I used to have a 10k a year property tax bill. When doing my federal taxes on Turbo Tax it was like hitting a jackpot in Vegas. The refund total at the top went from being deep in the red to big bucks in the green. Killing that is huge to home owners. I guess it comes down to how they manage the standard deduction and what the limit is. But many years I was looking at a $20k deduction in just property taxes and mortgage interest alone.

Raising the standard deduction doesn't help much (at least for me) if they remove all the personal exemptions (which I have 4 of including myself, my wife and my 2 kids - both 17 or older so no tax credit to help with that).
 

K1052

Elite Member
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Property tax deduction against Federal Taxes were HUGE for me. In IL I used to have a 10k a year property tax bill. When doing my federal taxes on Turbo Tax it was like hitting a jackpot in Vegas. The refund total at the top went from being deep in the red to big bucks in the green. Killing that is huge to home owners. I guess it comes down to how they manage the standard deduction and what the limit is. But many years I was looking at a $20k deduction in just property taxes and mortgage interest alone.

Yep. Media here is already singling out the Rs who are voting for this. Suburban R voters are gonna be nuclear hot furious.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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You know who's really getting fscked? All of those loudmouth Trump/Christie Republicans in New York and New Jersey. I hope they enjoy losing their state, local AND property tax deductions.
 
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Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Yep. Media here is already singling out the Rs who are voting for this. Suburban R voters are gonna be nuclear hot furious.
They're going to be even more furious with themselves when they vote Republican again in 2020.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-democrats-are-board-health-care-deal-n813051



Are you telling me "both sides do it"™? Because this is how you tell me both sides do it, without being sarcastic.

Has anyone else noticed the R haters in this thread are suffering from CBS? Confirmation Bias Syndrome. What do you have to say for yourselves when you're in here bitching about the Rs again when your own Ds are supporting this more than Rs?

We don't know the details of the proposal nor do we know if it will even be voted on. Alexander could have caved completely for all we know.
 
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