Every time the Cavs got it down to 8 or 6 point lead he comes back with the dagger, he also does a lot of other great things as well. IMHO if the Cavs had a legit shot at this series they needed to win one of these 2 games, it's over at this point.
Every time the Cavs got it down to 8 or 6 point lead he comes back with the dagger, he also does a lot of other great things as well. IMHO if the Cavs had a legit shot at this series they needed to win one of these 2 games, it's over at this point.that Curry kid is pretty good
It was over after JR Smith JR Smith'd.Every time the Cavs got it down to 8 or 6 point lead he comes back with the dagger, he also does a lot of other great things as well. IMHO if the Cavs had a legit shot at this series they needed to win one of these 2 games, it's over at this point.
yup.. it was like that event broke the Cav's spirit.It was over after JR Smith JR Smith'd.
So you're saying that if he wasn't good enough to get past the eastern conference finals 8 times getting eliminated in the smies and could only do it 3 times, he is better than if he made it to the finals 11 times?
Okay...
Let's not get carried away here.
Lebron is a great player but his streak of going to the finals means nothing. Zero.
The NBA Eastern conference is the weakest conference in pro sports history by a fairly wide margin and some of it is Lebron's doing. When you take two of the top three players in a conference and put them on a team with the conference's other top-three player what do you think is going to happen?
I'm sure Lebron thought the Heat were shoe-ins to go to the championship series for 8-10 years in a row, That's why he did that ridiculous "Not one, not two, not three.... etc" thing.
Now that's kind of silly. Kelly never won, IIRC, Lebron has rings. Also LJ is going to be a free agent when this season's done. Whatever team he's on next year will be a legitimate contender. No resignation is required of LJ. But you're right, he should be more team oriented and not so mentally committed to being the man on his team.There is zero chance the Cavs will win a single game and LeBron is just going to have to get use to being the Jim Kelly of Basketball...
Let's not get carried away here.
Lebron is a great player but his streak of going to the finals means nothing. Zero.
The NBA Eastern conference is the weakest conference in pro sports history by a fairly wide margin and some of it is Lebron's doing. When you take two of the top three players in a conference and put them on a team with the conference's other top-three player what do you think is going to happen?
I'm sure Lebron thought the Heat were shoe-ins to go to the championship series for 8-10 years in a row, That's why he did that ridiculous "Not one, not two, not three.... etc" thing.
You can have my Doritos, I prefer my Late July Multigrain. I'll be happy with a Warriors' beatdown on the Cavs.I am almost certain that the third game will be the cavaliers. If warriors win in cleveland then we get free doritos.
the only things the general public notices is the Ring and not how many times he made it to the finals.The best way to compare the championships of Lebron and Jordan that I've seen is to say that Jordan was 6 for 16 in championships while Lebron is 3 or 4 for 15.
You can praise him for making it to the finals if you like. It is an accomplishment. But the goal is to win the championship so those losses are always going to be a huge black mark for a player who is in the GOAT discussion.
I agree with both sides of this argument, and the reason I agree with this side, is the bolded (it is also why I disagree, later ). When Jordan's Bulls went on that 6-0 streak in the finals, The East wasn't that much better than it was right now. There were the Knicks, and occasionally the Heat (well, 2 seasons really) as the only legit threats in the east. That may be more competition than what there is now (I don't recall any sub-500 teams ever making it to the playoffs in those years, let alone regularly), but making it to the eastern conference finals was only achieving the honor of which team would lose to the eventual NBA champion Bulls. Lebron's teams have predictably made it to the finals, but it wasn't always without drama, especially recently. ....but that isn't very interesting. This is what is interesting:
I disagree. He isn't consistently good. When he's bad (2 for 14 nights) eveyone ignores it or blames injury. When he's streaking he's suddenly the greatest in the world. This is unlike LeBron whos off game where he is killed on the media is like a 30 point triple double .that Curry kid is pretty good
Bulls would be swept if they played today.I agree with both sides of this argument, and the reason I agree with this side, is the bolded (it is also why I disagree, later ). When Jordan's Bulls went on that 6-0 streak in the finals, The East wasn't that much better than it was right now. There were the Knicks, and occasionally the Heat (well, 2 seasons really) as the only legit threats in the east. That may be more competition than what there is now (I don't recall any sub-500 teams ever making it to the playoffs in those years, let alone regularly), but making it to the eastern conference finals was only achieving the honor of which team would lose to the eventual NBA champion Bulls. Lebron's teams have predictably made it to the finals, but it wasn't always without drama, especially recently. ....but that isn't very interesting. This is what is interesting:
The Bulls had a cakewalk to the finals with a relatively weak east, yes, but even coming out of the West, with far superior class of teams overall where anyone of them could have been champions in those years, you were still going to lose to Jordan. And you knew it. The Bulls were simply better than everyone else. There was no question. So it didn't matter if they were coming out of the east or not, they were still going to dominate you and you just had to accept it. Even when Lebron's Miami was "the greatest team ever!" they lost to a scrappy Dallas team because, well, Miami actually wasn't a very good team. Jordan's Bulls would not be losing to these Warriors teams, imo. ...well, I'm not so sure, really. They would be awesome games. Thing is, I don't think Warriors would be able to dominate the board against the Bulls front, like they need to do now to haul in all those missed 3s and keep recycling that half-court 3-ball game. Plus Jordan on Steph...lol.
Anyhoo....I also largely disagree that assuming 3-0 for Lebron is better, if that means Lebron is like 3-10 in the eastern conference finals...especially now. It is way worse because the east is so weak, and also because, imagine him going 0-13 or -10 or 0-3? which one of those is most pathetic? Obviously, 3-10 is best, even if it means you are 3-16 in the eastern conference finals. There is simply no amount of arguing and hand-waving that could dismiss the unconscionable failure of a legit GOAT that fails to get out of the weakest conference ever for 10 seasons. It's just unheard of. If he were in the West...fine. Maybe.
i thought 1970s was where non-stars had side jobs like Home Depot to make ends meet?Bulls would be swept if they played today.
This was an era where guys still smoked, flew coach, and some had side jobs.
that Curry kid is pretty good
So go ahead and make the Bulls lineup including Cavs bench players.
I'm curious what you come up with.
You realize players have gotten way better right?So go ahead and make the Bulls lineup including Cavs bench players.
I'm curious what you come up with.
Yes. Exactly. Steve Kerr for example wouldn't be in the league today nor would Horace grant. I'm not convinced Dennis Rodman would even make the league today either. Basically the idea that the bulls would not be swept today at it's core is based on the idea that players haven't gotten better since the 1990s and that clearly is not the case. The game today is even less forgiving for those without multiple skills.I think he's more saying that the worst Cavs player is better than Luc Longley
You realize players have gotten way better right?
The dunks Jordan won the slam dunk contest with there are high school kids today that can do them.
LeBron is reported to spend a million per year on body maintenance techniques and treatments whilst Jordan smoked cigars and dranked whilst gambling.
Not sure how you got that, he never said anything like that.Wait a minute.....
Are you actually saying that today's NBA players don't go out and party? That they are slaves to fitness above all else?
Are you fucking serious?
I think he's more saying that the worst Cavs player is better than Luc Longley
Can someone explain to me why the refs couldn't go back and give Lebron the timeout he tried to call with like 1.5 seconds left? He clearly signals for a timeout but the refs didnt see it. I mean they can review whether a foul is a charge or not so I'd assume they could review something as black and white as that. I know in the NFL they do that all the time at the end of quarters.
I'm not convinced Dennis Rodman would even make the league today either.
I see what you're saying, but I swear I heard analysts today giving a negative to Lebron because he cried about the timeout thing but he could have called it himself. Not sure how accurate it is.I think only the coach or the player with the ball can call a timeout. I'm sure James was doing it without thinking out of desperation.