Players today party but the overall health and fitness of modern players is on another level as compared to 20-30 years ago. Everything from the training staff, medical knowledge, and even general player desire for fitness is just better.Wait a minute.....
Are you actually saying that today's NBA players don't go out and party? That they are slaves to fitness above all else?
Are you fucking serious?
Rodman's career stats: 7.3 points per game, 13 rebounds, 1.8 assists.LOL. Come on man, at least say some plausible stuff.
Indeed, I personally blame Tyronn Lue for not calling timeout. Coaches have to be prepared.Player with the ball or coach are the only ones who can call timeouts.
Players today party but the overall health and fitness of modern players is on another level as compared to 20-30 years ago. Everything from the training staff, medical knowledge, and even general player desire for fitness is just better.
Rodman's career stats: 7.3 points per game, 13 rebounds, 1.8 assists.
Yes he is a force that the current NBA trembles to think about facing
The reality is he wouldn't make the league today. Just like NFL hall of famers from the 1980s wouldn't make the NFL today.
Indeed, I personally blame Tyronn Lue for not calling timeout. Coaches have to be prepared.
Draymond would shine elsewhere, he's irrepressible, period. He didn't bloom at Golden State just because it suits him. He became the heart and soul of the team because that's what he brings.He isn't consistently good. When he's bad (2 for 14 nights) eveyone ignores it or blames injury. When he's streaking he's suddenly the greatest in the world.
I just think if you swap curry onto an average team like Toronto or the pacers they won't increase their win numbers that much. He just happens to be in the perfect situation. Same goes for Draymond green. KD and Klay Thompson are pretty incredible though.
You might be right, but Wilt Chamberlain was a freak of nature. Do you realize he once scored 100 points in a game? Really, that guy might indeed dominate today if he came into the league as a youngster with his genetics.Bulls would be swept if they played today.
The worst player on the Cavs or warriors today would be a starter on the bulls. I'm talking about bench guys here.
This was an era where guys still smoked, flew coach, and some had side jobs. An era where you could have 2-3 complete non offensive guys on the court at the same time.
It's like saying wilt chamberlain would dominate today or that the 85 bears would win Superbowls today. Come on man...
Dude, I think they are way better than they used to be 20 years ago. Just the ball handling today is wicked better. Yes, they are better conditioned. It's harder to succeed in the NBA nowadays, a lot harder.Wait a minute.....
Are you actually saying that today's NBA players don't go out and party? That they are slaves to fitness above all else?
Are you fucking serious?
I look at it this way -- If the Cavs had won one game in Oakland, they would have stolen home court advantage, period. You can't think that they were expected to do that. That's like saying home court didn't mean anything in the first place. But they must win at home, and likely 3 there to win the series. I didn't count them out after that first loss or with where they are now. Not with Lebron on the team given what he's done this year. When the Cavs look good, they look very good!LOL. Come on man, at least say some plausible stuff.
I didn't even end up watching game 2. I think JR's mental blunder cost the Cavs the series. That was their chance to make it competitive, and they blew it. Same way when the Pacers were trying to go up 3-1 on the Cavs and couldn't do it, losing that game pretty much lost them the series.
I’d have to see replay again, but I don’t recall LBJ calling time out. Any player (whose team has possession) on the court can signal TO, but refs are most likely to be looking towards the ball carrier.I see what you're saying, but I swear I heard analysts today giving a negative to Lebron because he cried about the timeout thing but he could have called it himself. Not sure how accurate it is.
He signals for timeout with like 1-2 seconds left, you can see it here at the 0:28 mark. (its weird cause the angle changes RIGHT when he does it)I’d have to see replay again, but I don’t recall LBJ calling time out. Any player (whose team has possession) on the court can signal TO, but refs are most likely to be looking towards the ball carrier.
LeBron wasn’t crying about timeout, he was in disbelief that J.R. didn’t know the score and ran out the clock. In fact, video surfaced yesterday of the Cavs bench right after the J.R. debacle. Their bench is absolutely a funeral and it looks like LB didn’t know he had a timeout until Ty Lue told him. It is one of the coaches duty to forcefully remind the players of the game situation prior to the FTs.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...r-learning-cavs-had-timeout-game-1/670298002/
I watched the replay. LeBron wanted the ball from J.R. He strangely signaled for TO at the end when time had expired.
I don’t know if it’s still a thing but the defensive team on a free throw attempt used to tell the refs in advance that they want a time out as soon as they secure a rebound. It’s chaotic out there and this solved the problem of what happens if your head case secures the rebound. I don’t think the team shooting the FT was granted this courtesy as they are not likely to get the rebound.
I disagree. He isn't consistently good. When he's bad (2 for 14 nights) eveyone ignores it or blames injury. When he's streaking he's suddenly the greatest in the world. This is unlike LeBron whos off game where he is killed on the media is like a 30 point triple double .
I just think if you swap curry onto an average team like Toronto or the pacers they won't increase their win numbers that much. He just happens to be in the perfect situation. Same goes for Draymond green. KD and Klay Thompson are pretty incredible though.
Also, players from the 80's - 90's could certainly play for and star on teams today. There was strength training and fitness back then. It's nowhere near the level of today but it wouldn't take long for those athletes to get their fitness levels up. Natural athleticism, and shooting ability, ball handling, and court vision are all more important aspects anyway.
Bulls would be swept if they played today.
The worst player on the Cavs or warriors today would be a starter on the bulls. I'm talking about bench guys here.
This was an era where guys still smoked, flew coach, and some had side jobs. An era where you could have 2-3 complete non offensive guys on the court at the same time.
It's like saying wilt chamberlain would dominate today or that the 85 bears would win Superbowls today. Come on man...
This is where it's hard to tell
Today's game is MUCH more focused on 3-pt shooting and perimeter defense.
Someone like Luc Longley is obsolete
A lot of players from back then simply weren't good enough from 3 to be relevant today. Could they improve if they spent a few years honing their skills? Maybe, but then they wouldn't be the same player.
This is where it's hard to tell
Today's game is MUCH more focused on 3-pt shooting and perimeter defense.
Someone like Luc Longley is obsolete
A lot of players from back then simply weren't good enough from 3 to be relevant today. Could they improve if they spent a few years honing their skills? Maybe, but then they wouldn't be the same player.
He should have had a plan for if the Hill misses and his team gets the rebound. In example, it is known that Steve Kerr told his team that make or miss he wants a time out. People forget that there was a time out called just before the second free throw. Almost certainly if Durant had gotten that rebound Steve Kerr would have called timeout. Tyronn Lue should not be let off the hook (and I generally like tyronn Lue though I feel he's not a great game plan schemer and his offenses can be stale at times)How do you blame Tyron Lue for the few seconds left how did he know what JR smith was doing? At first he probably thought JR was going to shoot inside then he JR dribbled it outside so everyone thought there was a play, maybe pass to LJ but confusion ensued then LJ point to corner for shot ... buzzerrr.
Draymond would not start on most teams in the league. Curry was drafted number 7. Draymond was drafted number 35 in the 2nd round (I think that makes him the last pick). In a typical NBA draft year once you get out of the top 5, it's questionable if the player will even make it out of the d league. I think it's a hard sell to me that a 6'6 PF drafted last in the second round is really the all star difference maker on a team like Dallas or Atlanta or something.Draymond would shine elsewhere, he's irrepressible, period. He didn't bloom at Golden State just because it suits him. He became the heart and soul of the team because that's what he brings.
Curry's statline isn't as consistent as Lebron's because of his stature. It's possible to shut him down, even if he's healthy, but there's a big price to pay for that if his support is there. And you know what? He really doesn't care, and that's super to his credit. He doesn't mind getting an assist instead of a bucket. And he realizes that a Finals MVP doesn't mean squat compared to the title. He really does have his head in a good place. It's who he is.
I'm not convinced wilt would dominate today. He mostly played against 6'5 guys at center. I suspect hedh be average at best just like Javale McGee if he lived in the 50s would probably also score hundreds a game.You might be right, but Wilt Chamberlain was a freak of nature. Do you realize he once scored over 100 points in a game? Really, that guy might indeed dominate today if he came into the league as a youngster with his genetics.
I'm not convinced wilt would dominate today. He mostly played against 6'5 guys at center. I suspect hedh be average at best just like Javale McGee if he lived in the 50s would probably also score hundreds a game.
At best, there's 1 second left. This actually makes things more bizarre as LB seems to have wanted a TO after the play broke down. But a couple minutes later (see video from yesterday), LB is seen asking Ty Lue if they had a timeout left. So maybe he only subconsciously knew they had a TO as time was about to expire. If J.R. had passed him the ball, he was going to launch a deep 3. In the regular season, he actually shot the deep 3 extremely well but at best under Finals pressure it's a 1 in 3 shot.He signals for timeout with like 1-2 seconds left, you can see it here at the 0:28 mark. (its weird cause the angle changes RIGHT when he does it)
EDIT: You can also see it at 1:24 better angle, he does it as he's looking towards the bench.
Thing is, he HAS to dominate to a certain degree for the Cav's to have a shot, I'm sure he like better team mates but take him out of the equation and that roster is mediocre.You can have my Doritos, I prefer my Late July Multigrain. I'll be happy with a Warriors' beatdown on the Cavs.
Steph's 3 pointers, have you seen anyone else do that kind of thing, ever? The one to end the 1st half of game one, the fade away 35 footer yesterday? Both swishes. Did Ray Allen or Reggie Miller have chops like that? Kerr?
That analyst on ABC yesterday who said before the game that KD wanted to prove he's better than Curry, that it was his motivation, has his head up his ass.
Lebron would be better off on a team that didn't allow him to dominate. He's way too grim. His greatness is unquestionable but he doesn't enjoy his basketball as much as Steph and KD, not even close. Those guys live in basketball heaven.
Regardless, he signaled for a timeout with time left on the clock. 1 or 2 seconds doesn't really matter, either way it's inbound turn and shoot.At best, there's 1 second left. This actually makes things more bizarre as LB seems to have wanted a TO after the play broke down. But a couple minutes later (see video from yesterday), LB is seen asking Ty Lue if they had a timeout left. So maybe he only subconsciously knew they had a TO as time was about to expire. If J.R. had passed him the ball, he was going to launch a deep 3. In the regular season, he actually shot the deep 3 extremely well but at best under Finals pressure it's a 1 in 3 shot.
My point isn't to fault LBJ, but in the heat of the moment, it's chaotic for the players. I 100% agree that J.R. Smith is paid millions to know the game score. But as 538 pointed out a few days ago, he's done enough crazy things in his career that it shouldn't surprise us. That doesn't absolve him of fault but it's probably not the single play that cost the Cavs the ballgame. Clearly it broke their spirits.
The team clearly wasn't prepared for a Hill miss and offensive rebound and some of the blame falls on Ty Lue and his staff.
Players today party but the overall health and fitness of modern players is on another level as compared to 20-30 years ago. Everything from the training staff, medical knowledge, and even general player desire for fitness is just better.
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Can you quantify that? because otherwise, it really is just bullshit. Health and fitness is significantly better? give me a fricking break. Medical knowledge when it comes to sports athleticism has progressed ah...well nowhere basically in the last couple of decades. Medical knowledge, in the real world, simply doesn't jump leaps and bounds like you probably want to think it does. Tommy Johns surgery is the last major sports-related medical surgery breakthrough, and that was nearly 3 decades ago. Recovery times have improved....but ah, why are we seeing more and more ACL tears than we were before? Training is a bit better and more targeted, maybe some players are overall more fit--but it sounds to me like you are looking at fat golfers pre-Tiger, then golfers post-Tiger...and somehow comparing that to BBall players? Do you actually think the dudes playing in the better, more competitive eras, far, far FAR more physical eras were somehow less fit or athletic than they are today? Only real difference is you have gimicky devices that are all hotness for a season then disappear by the next: those reinforced armbands that AI started wearing...I think Lebron still wears one? Those ridiculous contacts that gave you "10/5 vision!" Remember those, c. 2009? Yeah, not anymore...
seriously: are you smoking crack, or were you actually born in the last decade? what's the deal?
lol--so the fuck what if Jordan smoked cigars. He's still the GOAT. He's still better than Lebron. He smoked cigars and gambled...yeah, and he was a better, far more dedicated athlete than anyone today. Dude knew how to live (not to take anything away from Lebron and those guys--but it's weird when you make these weird claims about their lifestyle, when the reality is they were still just as good as anyone today, actually played hard, took real fouls, and didn't flop around on the ground like some Croatian soccer player in a stiff breeze. lmao)
Draymond would not start on most teams in the league. Curry was drafted number 7. Draymond was drafted number 35 in the 2nd round (I think that makes him the last pick). In a typical NBA draft year once you get out of the top 5, it's questionable if the player will even make it out of the d league. I think it's a hard sell to me that a 6'6 PF drafted last in the second round is really the all star difference maker on a team like Dallas or Atlanta or something.
Draymond happens to be in a situation where he doesn't even get guarded because there are so many other threats out on the court concurrently. On pretty much any other team, he might be a bench player.
A good way to think about it is like this. Harrison Barnes used to be on the warriors and was probably their 3rd best player after curry and Klay. He was drafted number 7 overall when he came out, scored way more than draymond, rebounded, got a max deal etc and on the Mavericks is like a nobody when he gets played straight up by defenses.
Let's look at a few teams in the playoffs this yearSo 9/11/7 (points/rebounds/assists) wouldn't start for most teams? I'm browsing the depth charts and you could plug him in as a starter at SF, PF, or C and improve pretty much every roster in the NBA. That's not even mentioning his defense or the fact that you can have him run your offense for parts of the game.
Though maybe I misunderstood your argument and you meant he wouldn't have been given the chance to start for other teams? That might be true. I honestly think he has enough fire and ability to have been at least a starter anywhere though.
As a person who watched a lot of Golden State while Barnes played for them I never ranked him above Klay, Draymond, or Steph. As a scorer he was a bit better than Draymond, but that's about it (Draymond was also a pretty good 3-point shooter at the time).
So yeah, if you disassemble Golden State and ship their players to the most awful destinations I think you'd end up with something like this...
Kevin Durant still wrecks wherever he goes and probably scores more per game the worse of a team you put him on.
Stephen Curry scores 20+ points per game on his new team even though teams constantly double team and trap him.
Klay Thompson becomes the featured weapon and puts up about 25 points a game at his new destination.
Draymond Green either averages a triple double, or just becomes the go-to defensive stopper of his new team depending on what other offensive options they have.
Out of the 4 I think only Kevin Durant makes his team instantly playoff worthy. Steph is close but would probably need a year or two to gel. Klay and Dray cannot be the #1 options on a playoff team in my opinion though you can feature them heavily and find success.