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Torn Mind

Lifer
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I now have a name for Wentz.

Rainbows. Because you will see every aspect of QB play, both good and bad....except a master course in how to play like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

And in the debates, every form of argument can be trotted out to support a particular side.
 
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MrSquished

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all these QB's wanting and getting record setting deals - I think it's hurting their chances of getting rings. Not like they can't do it while getting paid but Brady took pay cuts and helped keep more money to build a better team around him. I mean of course the coaching and drafting helped a lot too, but a team having more money can make a big difference if a talented GM is controlling that money and picking up and keeping the right talent. I gotta respect Brady for that. Think of it if today's 45 million dollar QB's took $7 million less a year they'd still be making high 30's and their team would have 7 million more per year on deals. If they took 10 less, even better. Sure it's a lot of money on the table for them, but is the game about something more than just accumulating piles of cash?

in 2015 Peyton took a 4 million paycut which was about 25% of his salary that he could get back if he won the AFC championship and Superbowl, which he did. Of course Peyton was on the decline but still, taking a near 25% paycut has some merit.
 
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jpiniero

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Popular speculation is that he was (and possibly still is) trying to force his way out to some other team, perhaps SF. He has one year left on his deal.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
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There are a few certain things in life. Death, taxes.

The other is Tom Brady developing a grudge against someone.

I think Tom wants to humiliate Antonio Brown now, among other things.

The other was the missed opportunity to humiliate San Fran.


Also, him unretiring makes Washington look like even bigger idiots too.
 
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pete6032

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MrSquished

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The deal is not yet official. Rodgers even tweeted that the terms were incorrect and that he had not yet signed.

I can't imagine Rodgers would want to play for GB if Davante Adams is going to hold out.

He signed what is basically a 3 year 150 million dollar deal today I think. It's 5 years but the last 2 are voidable for cap purposes.

 

manly

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all these QB's wanting and getting record setting deals - I think it's hurting their chances of getting rings. Not like they can't do it while getting paid but Brady took pay cuts and helped keep more money to build a better team around him. I mean of course the coaching and drafting helped a lot too, but a team having more money can make a big difference if a talented GM is controlling that money and picking up and keeping the right talent. I gotta respect Brady for that. Think of it if today's 45 million dollar QB's took $7 million less a year they'd still be making high 30's and their team would have 7 million more per year on deals. If they took 10 less, even better. Sure it's a lot of money on the table for them, but is the game about something more than just accumulating piles of cash?

in 2015 Peyton took a 4 million paycut which was about 25% of his salary that he could get back if he won the AFC championship and Superbowl, which he did. Of course Peyton was on the decline but still, taking a near 25% paycut has some merit.
In 2015, PM was a shadow of his former self and probably underperformed his reduced salary. But the Broncos had a monster defense, and they won the SB despite PM, not because of him.

I don't have the info in front of me, but in the Tom Brady era, the track record of highest paid QBs is dismal w.r.t. to winning the Super Bowl. As you basically explained it, if your QB is making top-4 money, there's not enough cap space remaining to field a complete, championship team. The last guy to do it was probably Peyton in 2006. Mahomes came close after the 2020 season.

If this trend holds, you can pretty much rule out: Packers, Cowboys, Bills and Chiefs (although the latter 2 still seem like top contenders).
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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In 2015, PM was a shadow of his former self and probably underperformed his reduced salary. But the Broncos had a monster defense, and they won the SB despite PM, not because of him.

I don't have the info in front of me, but in the Tom Brady era, the track record of highest paid QBs is dismal w.r.t. to winning the Super Bowl. As you basically explained it, if your QB is making top-4 money, there's not enough cap space remaining to field a complete, championship team. The last guy to do it was probably Peyton in 2006. Mahomes came close after the 2020 season.

If this trend holds, you can pretty much rule out: Packers, Cowboys, Bills and Chiefs (although the latter 2 still seem like top contenders).

Agreed. He was a noodle armed guy by that point just surviving on smarts, awareness and instinct. However his name commanded respect and he was the 10th highest paid QB that year with the paycut, just ahead of Tony Romo, before his $4 million dollar bonus for winning the AFC Championship game and the SB, which was how the paycut was structured. It's at least representative of taking some sacrifice, but yeah, he was definitely nowhere near on the level of Brady who took consistently lower salaries during his prime years, which are arguable still going.

I think if Mahomes or Rodgers took a paycut the last couple years for the team one of them would have had another ring by now.
 

MrSquished

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Baker Mayfield requesting a trade out of Cleveland, and rightfully so. The Browns were just so clumsy at this whole process - oh Baker, yes you're our guy, we are only looking at the real real top QB prospects in free agency, but really, you're our guy. And like expected him to be cool with that.

What a bunch of clowns in that front office.
 

JM Aggie08

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Baker doesn't strike me as the kind of player that's in the position to make such demands. You ain't that guy, bro.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Baker doesn't strike me as the kind of player that's in the position to make such demands. You ain't that guy, bro.

Sure he can. He was improving every year and got them a playoff win, was a top 10 QB that year, first playoff win in god knows how long. The main reason he had a shitty year is because he got injured and toughed it out anyways for them. But he should be back to 100% this year. I'd tell Cleveland to fuck off too.

Matt Ryan is basically telling Atlanta to fuck off as well I just read.
 

Captante

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Baker doesn't strike me as the kind of player that's in the position to make such demands. You ain't that guy, bro.

At this point I'd take him over Kirk Cousins! (or five Daniel Jones's !!!)



Not that that's saying much!
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
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Baked Hayfield

Make'em Payinthefeels

Waiting for the Progressive commercial where he and Deshuan collab.

P.S Cleveland will suck the soul out of people one way or another. One in the figurative sense, the other literal.
 
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