2022 NFL Offseason thread

[Captante]

there's already a protest planned in berea today too

most of the browns fans i know are very upset with this signing

baker might not have been the QB we needed, but deshawn should not have been considered as an option

but jimmy haslam's paying the bills and calling the shots, so what he wants goes

Watson is a pretty good QB.... just a reprehensible human-being.

I'm all in favor of giving folks who made a mistake a second chance .... POSSIBLY even a third in some cases provided they have sufficient positive qualities.

BUT twenty-two (22) ?!? Sounds to me like Watson is a irredeemable POS who 100% chose to abuse women.

Sorry but "cancellation" by the league seems an appropriate response this time.... he needs to be banned from the NFL. (also the Browns are a disgrace)

 

[Torn Mind]

I think Watson's one-year exile was a warning by the owners to other players about insubordination. In essence, the gentleman's agreement to hide "transgressions" can be removed at moment's notice. I mean, Buzbee was all prepped to bring him down quite readily. Hard to believe he could pull off a class action without Houston having a private eye or two keeping track from the start and giving Buzbee the info.

Him being "rewarded" is that Houston wanted stuff in return to actually field a money-making team again and other teams also need a qb for "glory"(Cleveland) or fans in the stands(NFC south besides Bucs).

So, if you do have enough clout, even public humiliation will not stop a player from being paid.

Then again, Ray Lewis was not convicted but he sure as hell at least helped murder someone...he's Mr. Raven.

The stories against Ben Roethlisberger were only civil but it would still take an extremely creative mind and coincidence for two stories to come out like that, so something still might have happened.

 

[Torn Mind]

https://www.nfl.com/news/matt-ryan-colts-falcons-trade-2022-third-round-pick

Falcons trade Ryan to Colts, get deal with Mariota

The Falcons traded Matt Ryan to the Colts on Monday in exchange for a 2022 third-round draft pick and then agreed to a two-year deal with Marcus Mariota.

www.espn.com

Matt Ryan to the Colts.

 

[RPD]

I mean I get some of the hate towards Watson, but whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

[Captante]

I mean I get some of the hate towards Watson, but whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Again..... TWENTY-TWO.

One or two cases (even 4-5 maybe) by all means we should wait to judge but the chances of 22 otherwise unrelated women making false accusations of this kind is midway between slim and none.

I despise "cancel-culture" personally but after a certain amount of smoke you can safely assume at least SOME actual fire.

 

[manly]

Again..... TWENTY-TWO.

One or two cases (even 4-5 maybe) by all means we should wait to judge but the chances of 22 otherwise unrelated women making false accusations of this kind is midway between slim and none.

I despise "cancel-culture" personally but after a certain amount of smoke you can safely assume at least SOME actual fire.

Although I personally agree with you that there's too much smoke here, RPD is also right about a presumption of innocence. I don't care that the Browns traded for Watson; but as a business/cap move, it's insane they gave him a new contract as well. And the fact that any NFL suspension does not touch a "signing bonus" is a dumb ass loophole considering how much compensation is shoved into the bonus nowadays (to soften the cap hit).

Not to mention that the Browns claimed to have thoroughly done their own research, and yet they never talked to a single accuser or attorney Buzbee. So what they meant is that they interviewed Watson and other football people.

 

[Captante]

done their own research

Pretty much says it all!

Amazing how many folks don't seem to grasp that "research" is only as useful as your source-material is accurate!


(I bet the Jags get back to the SB before Cleveland at this rate)

 

[Torn Mind]

Innocent until proven guilty is actually "government is restrained from constraining or punishing without enough credible evidence to prove the act occurred."

As far as outcomes go, one lost season and a few more games to suspension...is a minor inconvenience with the money he just got. He can still live his actual life and keep going to rub-and-tugs that are fully consensual, along with the strippers, prostitutes etc provided goes to right places.

It also actually is "not guilty until proven guilty" If Deshaun wanted to engage in proving actual innocence for strictly intellectual purpose in the court of public opinion, he could. Only problem is...he can't because he did make contact with these people and they did have massage sessions. The detail is in whether the demand for rub-and-tug was really consensual or not.

Not a moral axiom/code of conduct, nor a philsophical/intellectual one. But think it is.

The nature of Watson's violations are precisely difficult to generate proof. Surveillance video in the room would be such a thing. Audio recordings another.

Back when I read some of the filings, which are all publicly available for free from the courts, some stories were more convincing than other. The ones that involved travel, in particular .

 

[Torn Mind]

Pretty much says it all!

Amazing how many folks don't seem to grasp that "research" is only as useful as your source-material is accurate!


(I bet the Jags get back to the SB before Cleveland at this rate)

Eh, Ray Lewis, Big Ben, Antonio Brown all have SBs.

 

[Torn Mind]

https://www.nfl.com/news/marcus-mariota-falcons-agree-to-terms-with-qb-on-two-year-deal

https://www.nfl.com/news/jameis-winston-saints-re-sign-qb-to-two-year-28m-deal

Baker Mayfield ready to advocate for a "No Baker Left Behind Act" because now every team basically has committed to a QB.

 

[Captante]

Eh, Ray Lewis, Big Ben, Antonio Brown all have SBs.

All criminals yes, BUT very talented criminals and MORE IMPORTANTLY signed by teams that have at least SOME clue what they're doing with players.

The twits running the Browns don't have a freaking clue along those lines.

 

[manly]

All criminals yes, BUT very talented criminals and MORE IMPORTANTLY signed by teams that have at least SOME clue what they're doing with players.

The twits running the Browns don't have a freaking clue along those lines.

Let's not kid ourselves, a quarter of the NFL (if not more) was engaged in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes. Even knowing it's likely he'll get a 6 game suspension this season. The Browns may be run by twits, but they have a lot of company.

 

[Torn Mind]

All criminals yes, BUT very talented criminals and MORE IMPORTANTLY signed by teams that have at least SOME clue what they're doing with players.

The twits running the Browns don't have a freaking clue along those lines.

While certainly the Browns have a history of failure, they had the talent on that team to be a contender with the exception of QB.

They were however...unattractive to Watson until the upped the contract offer...goes to show the desirability of that place isn't really there

 

[RPD]

Again..... TWENTY-TWO.

One or two cases (even 4-5 maybe) by all means we should wait to judge but the chances of 22 otherwise unrelated women making false accusations of this kind is midway between slim and none.

I despise "cancel-culture" personally but after a certain amount of smoke you can safely assume at least SOME actual fire.

Yes plenty of smoke, but I don't see the need to condemn someone before actual evidence is presented and he has his day(s) in court.

 

[Captante]

Let's not kid ourselves, a quarter of the NFL (if not more) was engaged in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes. Even knowing it's likely he'll get a 6 game suspension this season. The Browns may be run by twits, but they have a lot of company.

Far as QB skills alone go I would have loved Watson on the Giants myself so I understand the "why".... the Giants organization being what it is there was never much chance of that!

 

[RPD]

Browns have had one of the top 10 or higher O-lines in the league, top 5 run game and a good defense. They also before Baker had 2 Pro Bowl receivers and TE. You can say well they couldn't find trade partners for either WR and cut them, but just look at what they had to give up for Cooper (nothing) and what the Titans got Woods for (also next to nothing). And those are two very good receivers.

 

[Captante]

Yes plenty of smoke, but I don't see the need to condemn someone before actual evidence is presented and he has his day(s) in court.

If we were discussing going to prison or even being found "liable" I would agree completely.

Being a "gazillionaire" NFL QB is a privilege not a right.

Browns have had one of the top 10 or higher O-lines in the league, top 5 run game and a good defense.

If I were a Cleveland fan I wouldn't feel very good about my team right now. (just sayin)

 

[Torn Mind]

Yes plenty of smoke, but I don't see the need to condemn someone before actual evidence is presented and he has his day(s) in court.

For potential therapists, the information is valuable so they can keep their guards up or divert him to only the male massage therapists in the practice.

For everyone else, he's a free and rich man.

 

[RPD]

If we were discussing going to prison or even being found "liable" I would agree completely.

Being a "gazillionaire" NFL QB is a privilege not a right.






If I were a Cleveland fan I wouldn't feel very good about my team right now. (just sayin)

That's your opinion, strictly from a football perspective, the outlook is pretty good for them. He was a top 3 top 5 QB when he last played.

 

[Captante]

That's your opinion, strictly from a football perspective, the outlook is pretty good for them. He was a top 3 top 5 QB when he last played.

That's correct, it is. Time will tell if I'm correct.

When Watson was a few years younger the Texans had a solid team but he still won exactly nothing. I used to think highly of his QB skills and I do still believe he has some talent but I wouldn't want him leading my team unless we were one small step from a SB.

Anyone want to wager on the Browns winning it all in 2022 ??

 

[MrSquished]

The Matt Ryan move is good for the Giants. Carolina and Atlanta now are big in the market for a rookie QB. One might jump on one of the Giants two picks, which would be great

 

[Captante]

The Matt Ryan move is good for the Giants. Carolina and Atlanta now are big in the market for a rookie QB. One might jump on one of the Giants two picks, which would be great

Maybe they'll be interested in Jones?

We can throw in a large sack of slightly used footballs!

 

[RPD]

That's correct, it is. Time will tell if I'm correct.

When Watson was a few years younger the Texans had a solid team but he still won exactly nothing. I used to think highly of his QB skills and I do still believe he has some talent but I wouldn't want him leading my team unless we were one small step from a SB.

Anyone want to wager on the Browns winning it all in 2022 ??

Texans had a solid team? No they had a few key players, Watt, D'Hop and uhh pretty sure when they had a good run game he wasn't there. He was constantly running for his life behind a shit O-line. I don't recall them making the play offs yet he was in the top for yards passed pretty consistently.

 

[MrSquished]

Apparently the Brown's are being asked to give up a pick by a team to take Baker and his contract off their hands

 

[RPD]

The Matt Ryan move is good for the Giants. Carolina and Atlanta now are big in the market for a rookie QB. One might jump on one of the Giants two picks, which would be great

Wut?
Ryan is on the Colts. Atlanta signed Mariota and my 49ers have defiantly shit the bed with the Jimmie G (lack of) trade. Basically the only realistic team left is MAYBE Carolina...