Discussion 2023 Off-year elections

[gothuevos]

If a woman who is 8 months 3 weeks pregnant has a medical emergency and her doctors says we may have to abort the fetus, should the law get in the way of that decision?

@HomerJS this isn't directed at you, but I wish people would stop using this example.

After viability, there is NO medical emergency (in either mom or fetus) where an abortion would be performed. Instead, the baby is delivered prematurely and the issues/complications of prematurity are dealt with.

People on both sides of the argument continue to use this example which NEVER happens. Just wish someone would put an end to it and take away this silly talking point.

I say this as someone who works in this space.

 

[akugami]

Christie, at yesterday's GOP primary debate noted that prolife needs to encompass more than the unborn, such as teens and adults suffering from addiction (and getting them the help they need). It did not get any applause.

That's communism!

Seriously. That's what they'll scream.

 

[Meghan54]

Chris Christie still trying the Republican tactic to change the narrative. He's intentionally framing there are women out there having elective abortions at 9 months when it really isn't happening. He said is against laws that allow 9th month abortions. Mika calls him on it but the follow-up question should have been...

If a woman who is 8 months 3 weeks pregnant has a medical emergency and her doctors says we may have to abort the fetus, should the law get in the way of that decision?

At 8 mos and 3 days gestation, the term used is premature delivery. Not an abortion. Unless there’s a congenital medical reason (a defect in the child’s development), the child’s almost guaranteed to survive.

 

[Zorba]

@HomerJS this isn't directed at you, but I wish people would stop using this example.

After viability, there is NO medical emergency (in either mom or fetus) where an abortion would be performed. Instead, the baby is delivered prematurely and the issues/complications of prematurity are dealt with.

People on both sides of the argument continue to use this example which NEVER happens. Just wish someone would put an end to it and take away this silly talking point.

I say this as someone who works in this space.

Aren't there some cases where the baby won't survive birth at any gestation period that they deliver early to reduce complications to the mother? And some people consider this a late term abortion?

 

[Pens1566]

Aren't there some cases where the baby won't survive birth at any gestation period that they deliver early to reduce complications to the mother? And some people consider this a late term abortion?

Yes

 

[HomerJS]

@HomerJS this isn't directed at you, but I wish people would stop using this example.

After viability, there is NO medical emergency (in either mom or fetus) where an abortion would be performed. Instead, the baby is delivered prematurely and the issues/complications of prematurity are dealt with.

People on both sides of the argument continue to use this example which NEVER happens. Just wish someone would put an end to it and take away this silly talking point.

I say this as someone who works in this space.

I’ll ask it another way. Show me one woman who remains pregnant well into the third trimester who didn’t want a baby. Has an elective abortion ever been performed late into the third trimester? By elective I mean one where a doctor deemed medically necessary?

 

[gothuevos]

Aren't there some cases where the baby won't survive birth at any gestation period that they deliver early to reduce complications to the mother? And some people consider this a late term abortion?

So this isn't a medical emergency. It's an unfortunate situation where the developing baby has a lethal condition. And yes, some moms will elect to terminate this pregnancy early on.

 

[gothuevos]

I’ll ask it another way. Show me one woman who remains pregnant well into the third trimester who didn’t want a baby. Has an elective abortion ever been performed late into the third trimester? By elective I mean one where a doctor deemed medically necessary?

All state health departments have this information but it is beyond exceedingly rare, like in most cases it's 0.

My point is that it doesn't need to be a talking point nor does policy need to revolve around it, it just feeds into the "late term abortion" fallacies.

 

[MtnMan]

Ohio's residents via petition got the abortion issue on the ballot.

Republicans knew that it would pass, as they have seen it happen in other states. So lets change the fucking rules, and require a 60% majority. But voters had to approve that, and it went down in flames.

So abortion and reproductive rights amendment to the constitution did pass, by a landslide...

Now the republicans who say that voters ain't smart enough to know what they want are now trying another trick...

Ohio Republicans vow to target judiciary over Issue 1 abortion measure

Remember, republicans in office are not your representative, they are your ruler, you ignorant subject that ain't smart enough to know what rights you want.

 

[nakedfrog]

Ohio's residents via petition got the abortion issue on the ballot.

Republicans knew that it would pass, as they have seen it happen in other states. So lets change the fucking rules, and require a 60% majority. But voters had to approve that, and it went down in flames.

So abortion and reproductive rights amendment to the constitution did pass, by a landslide...

Now the republicans who say that voters ain't smart enough to know what they want are now trying another trick...

Ohio Republicans vow to target judiciary over Issue 1 abortion measure

Remember, republicans in office are not your representative, they are your ruler, you ignorant subject that ain't smart enough to know what rights you want.

And to think, all this could have been avoided if the damn voters had just voted the way they were supposed to! It's so much more effort when you have to subvert the will of the electorate. Do these people not care about their poor, poor elected representatives? Selfish, that's what they are

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Seems like 'bucks' has a different meaning to the Moms.

1. https://www.businessinsider.com › superintendent-central-bucks-severace-outgoing-school-board-democrats-election-2023-11?op=1
   

   Superintendent Gets Payday From Outgoing School Board Before Dems Take Over​

   Outgoing Central Bucks superintendent Abram Lucabaugh is resigning and getting a $710,000 severance deal. A Philadelphia-area superintendent resigned after Democrats won big in school board ...
2. https://www.msn.com › en-us › news › us › dr-lucabaughs-controversial-separation-agreement-see-key-details › ar-AA1jZAuF
   

   Dr. Lucabaugh's Controversial Separation Agreement: See Key Details - MSN​

   7 days ago Lucabaugh will receive $32,105.81, which is payment, at his current per diem rate of pay, for 26 and one-half days of unused vacation leave. Payment for Unused Sick Leave.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Seems like 'bucks' has a different meaning to the Moms.

1. https://www.businessinsider.com › superintendent-central-bucks-severace-outgoing-school-board-democrats-election-2023-11?op=1
   

   Superintendent Gets Payday From Outgoing School Board Before Dems Take Over​

   Outgoing Central Bucks superintendent Abram Lucabaugh is resigning and getting a $710,000 severance deal. A Philadelphia-area superintendent resigned after Democrats won big in school board ...
2. https://www.msn.com › en-us › news › us › dr-lucabaughs-controversial-separation-agreement-see-key-details › ar-AA1jZAuF
   

   Dr. Lucabaugh's Controversial Separation Agreement: See Key Details - MSN​

   7 days ago Lucabaugh will receive $32,105.81, which is payment, at his current per diem rate of pay, for 26 and one-half days of unused vacation leave. Payment for Unused Sick Leave.

- I'm in the wrong career...

 

[Vic]

Like this.

Fox News struggles to cope after brutal election night for GOP

And over on Newsmax, Rick Santorum lamented that “pure democracies are not the way to run a country.”

www.salon.com

Translation: people who don't vote the way they want them to should be disenfranchised of their Constitutionally-guaranteed right to vote.

 

[Vic]

Seems like 'bucks' has a different meaning to the Moms.

1. https://www.businessinsider.com › superintendent-central-bucks-severace-outgoing-school-board-democrats-election-2023-11?op=1
   

   Superintendent Gets Payday From Outgoing School Board Before Dems Take Over​

   Outgoing Central Bucks superintendent Abram Lucabaugh is resigning and getting a $710,000 severance deal. A Philadelphia-area superintendent resigned after Democrats won big in school board ...
2. https://www.msn.com › en-us › news › us › dr-lucabaughs-controversial-separation-agreement-see-key-details › ar-AA1jZAuF
   

   Dr. Lucabaugh's Controversial Separation Agreement: See Key Details - MSN​

   7 days ago Lucabaugh will receive $32,105.81, which is payment, at his current per diem rate of pay, for 26 and one-half days of unused vacation leave. Payment for Unused Sick Leave.

I got a kick out of how they rationalized their corruption by making up a story that the Dems would have done something worse. That's peak Republican right there.

 

[Vic]

Meanwhile, the core Republican platforms of denying women's reproductive rights and pepertuating the drug war lost to 56% of the vote.. in Ohio.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Tee Hee, Tee Hee, Tee Hee....

Republican Parental Rights Advocate Accused of Hosting Teen Alcohol Party​

Clarice Schillinger, whose PAC poured more than $800,000 into Pennsylvania school board races, allegedly gave alcohol to minors.

Conservative 'parental rights' activist accused of punching a teen and providing alcohol​

Raw Story on MSN.com|3 hours ago
Clarice Schillinger, the unsuccessful Republican candidate for lieutenant governor in Pennsylvania and a conservative "parents rights" activist, was arrested for punching a teenager, harassing and hosting an underage drinking party,

A 17th Birthday Party, a Stocked Bar, Beer Pong, and a "Parental Rights" Mom Facing Assault Charges​

Mother Jones|47 minutes ago
Witnesses told authorities that Schillinger allegedly poured liquor for the minors, asked them to take a shot with her, and played beer pong with them. Under Pennsylvania's state law, it is illegal to give alcohol to a minor. The documents also state ...

Pa. conservative activist, former lt. gov. candidate charged with assault​

Penn Live|3 hours ago
The Bucks County woman is scheduled to appear in court on Jan. 29 on charges of assault, harassment and furnishing minors with alcohol.

 

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