Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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Leeea

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That was one hell of a red wave in Virginia and Ohio and Kentucky and Pennsylvania, eh?

Is is very clear that Biden's unpopularity is pushing down and suppressing dem turnout everywhere. The MAGA faction just buried it. They buried it so far nobody can find them.
 

Leeea

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And all this even before my thousands of illegal employees and hundreds of dead relatives have even had a chance to vote.
I will have you know, I have always had the mantra of voting once, and exactly once, in every election, without fail.



the whole dead people voting and etc is all stupid.

Check out https://carpoolvote.com/ or one of the many like it.

100% legal, early voting is the best, and yea, completely non-partisan. Don't look at me like that. I have no idea how they are going to vote ... I mean marginalized people who are typically not white. They are all US citizens, and they have a right to vote.

Heck, some people even use buses:
https://www.romper.com/p/is-it-ille...tions-project-veritas-seems-to-think-so-22165
 
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iRONic

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That was one hell of a red wave in Virginia and Ohio and Kentucky and Pennsylvania, eh?

Is is very clear that Biden's unpopularity is pushing down and suppressing dem turnout everywhere. The MAGA faction just buried it. They buried it so far nobody can find them.
The Wolf: Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet.
 

APU_Fusion

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The Wolf: Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet.
Yes, because we all know the Orange Messiah will crush the great woke hope in 24. I mean why bother. Republicans are gods. I mean don’t have optimism or hope. Just give up. Just give up. Just be sad. Just be sad. Don’t vote as it doesn’t matter. Don’t vote as it doesn’t matter.
 

APU_Fusion

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The fuck?!?!
Pretty straight forward. Just never have hope or optimism if you are a Democrat. I mean Democratic wins are really just proof of Republican dominance. No need to cheer wins as they are proof of losses.
 

MrSquished

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Abortion rights and weed legalization poll well, they do well in these in between elections for sure. They don't have a low approval rate. Also Dems in general do well among the young, and those issues are also quite important to them. These elections are great for Dems, and there were no real surprises, but they do not eliminate Biden's insane baggage and big disapproval levels in his own party and with independents which will happen in 2024. And it's not about popular vote, it's about a few swing states, and last time was close, no matter how many morons want to be misleading by stating it was the biggest win ever! Again, he is a coin toss, so a viable candidate, but we could definitely do better.
 

Leeea

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Abortion rights and weed legalization poll well, they do well in these in between elections for sure. They don't have a low approval rate. Also Dems in general do well among the young, and those issues are also quite important to them. These elections are great for Dems, and there were no real surprises, but they do not eliminate Biden's insane baggage and big disapproval levels in his own party and with independents which will happen in 2024. And it's not about popular vote, it's about a few swing states, and last time was close, no matter how many morons want to be misleading by stating it was the biggest win ever! Again, he is a coin toss, so a viable candidate, but we could definitely do better.
Who could do better?

Start making suggestions.

Keep in mind anyone who does not wholeheartedly support Israel is instantly doomed.


Support for Israel is broadly popular among people that are needed. There are a lot of dems that are not progressives. These are also known as the dems that pay the bills. There are even more votes needed among independents.


The idea progressives are going to stay home and not vote and let Trump win another four years? They already did that with Trump vs Hillary. They are not stupid enough to do it again. Throwing a hissy fit over Hillary is now why access to abortion is a privilege and not a right. Do it again and the act of voting will be a privilege to.
 
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MrSquished

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Who could do better?

Start making suggestions.

Keep in mind anyone who does not wholeheartedly support Israel is instantly doomed.


Support for Israel is broadly popular among people that are needed. There are a lot of dems that are not progressives. These are also known as the dems that pay the bills. There are even more votes needed among independents.


The idea progressives are going to stay home and not vote and let Trump win another four years? They already did that with Trump vs Hillary. They are not stupid enough to do it again. Throwing a hissy fit over Hillary is now why access to abortion is a privilege and not a right. Do it again and the act of voting will be a privilege to.

Again you think people are only logical creatures and not emotional. You can only take people for granted for so long, and that's how a lot of progressives feel. On top of that calling for a ceasefire is not exactly handing over Israel to Palestine. It's basic humanity. When you can't even find your basic humanity that's a fucking problem to a lot of people. They're not going to go out and vote for the enemy but better chance they just don't vote at all.

Keep taking people for granted and see where that gets you. It's not a good strategy.

The way to find a better candidate is to have a primary. If you think the Democratic party's best is Joe Biden in this election then you may as well admit the democratic party is a failure.

For now I'm still more optimistic than people like you and I think the Democrats can do better.
 

Leeea

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The way to find a better candidate is to have a primary.
There is nothing stopping that from happening.

1 candidate already tried to step forward and meet the thresholds needed. Like I said previously, he left a crater at his first townhall.

If you think you can do better, step on up. It is not some mythical machine, joining is rather easy. Gathering support might be a bit harder, but not as hard as you might think. It helps if you were already a member and volunteered in a previous election or two. Joined the board and did some basic party work. But anything above apathy and you can primary for about anything.
 
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MrSquished

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There is nothing stopping that from happening.

1 candidate already tried to step forward and meet the thresholds needed. Like I said previously, he left a crater at his first townhall.

If you think you can do better, step on up. It is not some mythical machine, joining is rather easy. Gathering support might be a bit harder, but not as hard as you might think. It helps if you were already a member and volunteered in a previous election or two. Joined the board and did some basic party work. But anything above apathy and you can primary for about anything.

Do you realize what a fucking moron you sound like?

Get in the primary or shut up. Shut the fuck up you Jackwagon. You're exactly the kind of fucking Democrat that makes the progressive base shudder because you are an elitist entitled prick.

My god you people.
 

Leeea

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Do you realize what a fucking moron you sound like?

Get in the primary or shut up. Shut the fuck up you Jackwagon. You're exactly the kind of fucking Democrat that makes the progressive base shudder because you are an elitist entitled prick.

My god you people.
What? Do you have any idea how hard it is to run a campaign? How much money it takes? How much time it burns? How empty you feel in the end when you lose anyway?


Your asking people to drop everything they are doing to run an entertainment show for you. Fuck that. I am happy with Biden. I didn't see you when it was time to phone bank. I didn't see you at the boring board meetings. I didn't see you raising money.


Why do I have to sacrifice everything in my life to make your prick happy? go take a long walk of a short dock you selfish little twat.


You want to primary go primary, otherwise go back to the play pen.



As for the rest of us, there are candidates in the senate, congress, and state level that all need money and resources. Blowing out a crap ton of money and resources on a pointless primary, yea, whatever.
 
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MrSquished

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What? Do you have any idea how hard it is to run a campaign? How much money it takes? How much time it burns? How empty you feel in the end when you lose anyway?


Your asking people to drop everything they are doing to run an entertainment show for you. Fuck that. I am happy with Biden. I didn't see you when it was time to phone bank. I didn't see you at the boring board meetings. I didn't see you raising money.


Why do I have to sacrifice everything in my life to make your prick happy? go take a long walk of a short dock you selfish little twat.


You want to primary go primary, otherwise go back to the play pen.



As for the rest of us, there are candidates in the senate, congress, and state level that all need money and resources. Blowing out a crap ton of money and resources on a pointless primary, yea, whatever.
My God, intelligent people don't have time for such stupid people as you.

There's enough morons in the Republican party that we have to deal with, enough with the fucking jackwagon Democrats that say such idiots like you.

Please phone bank. Maybe you'll talk to somebody with common sense.
 

Leeea

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My God, intelligent people don't have time for such stupid people as you.

There's enough morons in the Republican party that we have to deal with, enough with the fucking jackwagon Democrats that say such idiots like you.

Please phone bank. Maybe you'll talk to somebody with common sense.
So, you complain about a lack of primary, but you do realize all the votes and stuff are going to happen?
It is just nobody is going to get the 15% to get any delegates except for Biden.


What you really are complaining about is the lack of a competitive primary. And well, how is that my problem?
There is nothing stopping the progressive politician of your choice from running a campaign right now. Except for the fact none of them want to do it.


Your not asking for a primary here. You never have been.
Your asking for the dem party to create your mythical fantasy candidate and then spend a ton of money in a civil war and labeling a failure for not doing it.


Your mythical fantasy candidate doesn't exist. Nobody in the dem party wants a civil war.
Nothing is going to change that.
 
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Zorba

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Just don't bring up immigration: watch "left" Europeans become staunch right-wing when you bring up letting in refugees and immigrants.


Increased drone strikes, assassinating a high-level Iranian in Iraq nearly sparking a wider incident, acquiescing to Russia to lay the foundation for their increased invasion of Ukraine, destabilizing NATO and undercutting US soft power - sounds like a bang up job on the international scene.

And lab created virus? LOL. You are just a MAGA turd. It is utterly laughable that you think you might be politically centered.
Don't forget pulling out of multiple weapons treaties and the Open Skies treaty.
 

pmv

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What irks me is we've just had five years of chaos and economic crisis, because so many former Labour voters (mostly Boomers) decided they couldn't bear Corbyn's internationalism, and switched to voting Tory. And the verdict from the centrists is that that's Corbyn's fault, for not being sufficiently pro-imperialism and pro-racism to appeal to those voters.

I wasn't a huge fan of Corbyn, but it was pretty clear that he was far preferable to the alternative.

Yet when it happens the other way round, when leftists defect and either stay home or vote for a fringe party, because they baulk at the racism and imperialism of the 'centrists', then that is apparently the fault of those leftist voters for failing to hold their noses and vote for the centrist anyway, not of the centrist candidate for failing to appeal to those voters.

It seems to me to be a double-standard.

It's always the left's responsibility to back the centre-right, to keep out the far right. But the favour is never, ever, returned - when it comes to it, so-called centrists always decide they'd rather have the far-right in power than support a leftist.
 

hal2kilo

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Again you think people are only logical creatures and not emotional. You can only take people for granted for so long, and that's how a lot of progressives feel. On top of that calling for a ceasefire is not exactly handing over Israel to Palestine. It's basic humanity. When you can't even find your basic humanity that's a fucking problem to a lot of people. They're not going to go out and vote for the enemy but better chance they just don't vote at all.

Keep taking people for granted and see where that gets you. It's not a good strategy.

The way to find a better candidate is to have a primary. If you think the Democratic party's best is Joe Biden in this election then you may as well admit the democratic party is a failure.

For now I'm still more optimistic than people like you and I think the Democrats can do better.
Opinion, noted.
 

Leeea

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It is not an opinion that people behave emotionally over logically. It's a fact of human nature.

Still people read the thread and keep pretending it's not an issue or real.
The issue is totally real.

It is also unsolvable.


The primary is going to happen. The votes are all going to happen. What your asking for is a competitive primary, which isn't going to happen.


The reason why is because everyone who has both the resources, power base, and political wisdom to oppose Biden has already noped right on out.



The only way a competitive primary is going to happen is if one of you or your liked minded friends stands up and makes a run for it. And there is nothing stopping them from doing so. They even let Sanders run last time around. Sanders could run this time around. Maybe their is an untapped well of support we are completely missing. Maybe your on to something.

Convince one of your progressive friends or progressive politicians to go for it.


But you cannot expect corporate Dems like myself to do it for you. That is madness. But if you win, we will absolutely support you. We like democracy to.
 
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