Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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nakedfrog

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Jill Stein is a spoiler too against Biden.

I don't know if you've ever read my posts but I'm a very pro LGBT & healthcare issue person. But even I have to concede people are stupid.. and often vote or protest against their own interests..

Case in point:


And there's enough LGBT folks that're on the anti-LGBT & anti-healthcare train like Peter Thiel, Tim Cook, and others.
All the queer people I know that are protesting for Palestine are doing so on humanitarian grounds, being opposed to the continued deaths of civilians, not because they think Hamas are nice guys.
 

Indus

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All the queer people I know that are protesting for Palestine are doing so on humanitarian grounds, being opposed to the continued deaths of civilians, not because they think Hamas are nice guys.

I think you know lots of people that supposedly aren't racist but drink with neo nazi's in exclusive clubs.

Similarly the so called civilians sure do a lot of work with the not very nice guys and enjoy their protections.

Despite what one wants to believe.. it's important to see reality for what it is, rather than get brainwashed into perceptions! For example unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!

Very important for the LGBT community to Know thy enemy!!
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
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I think you know lots of people that supposedly aren't racist but drink with neo nazi's in exclusive clubs.
Uh, wow, get fucked, how 'bout that? Holy shit.
Similarly the so called civilians sure do a lot of work with the not very nice guys and enjoy their protections.

Despite what one wants to believe.. it's important to see reality for what it is, rather than get brainwashed into perceptions! For example unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!

Very important for the LGBT community to Know thy enemy!!
There's queer muslims too, you know, are they the enemy?
 

Drach

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Oh stop being an idiot.

I'm not taking an unusual position here. Millions of people around the world including in the US understand the Israeli situation for how horrific it is and how they are just mass murdering people, and have never really stopped, as they have been oppressing the Palestinians for decades in an apartheid state.

I'm not some lone ranger here on my own horse. Plenty of people here agree as well, if you actually read the thread and ingest it.Get a fucking clue about basic world events before you chime in.
The first thing you ever do is insulting someone that doesn't agree with you.
 

Indus

Lifer
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There's queer muslims too, you know, are they the enemy?
Funny you should mention that..

I had a one night stand with a guy from Bahrain. Still have his contacts and talk sometime if we're gonna be in the same area/ same time.

He said the first thing he had to do was to leave his religion and his country behind once he knew who he was! He lives now in Australia and is proud to be an Aussie and never ever wants to go back to Bahrain!
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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The first thing you ever do is insulting someone that doesn't agree with you.

I have had many conversations with people that go nowhere so the next time, yes I'll insult the moronic behavior. Just like Leeea and their ridiculous assertion that to have an opinion on Biden's candidacy is to pick up and register and run yourself. Which at first I just said was silly. But when people keep repeating stupidity, it's tiring.

Also when people tell me there is no pro-Zionism in this thread when there so clearly is and it has been called out already, in so many words.

And to call Biden's support of Israel's horrific policies and now genocide as politically expedient to some and they are ok with it, well that's just sick. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings. I am not some lone ranger either on US-Israeli complicitness of the oppression of the Palestinians in an extremely one sided way for the most part.

If you think calling out someone for saying, well Biden's support of Israel is politically smart no matter what, it's politically smart, as being a horrific position - if that is being too mean. Well, re-assess yourself. It's not working.
 

Leeea

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I have had many conversations with people that go nowhere so the next time, yes I'll insult the moronic behavior. Just like Leeea and their ridiculous assertion that to have an opinion on Biden's candidacy is to pick up and register and run yourself. Which at first I just said was silly. But when people keep repeating stupidity, it's tiring.

Also when people tell me there is no pro-Zionism in this thread when there so clearly is and it has been called out already, in so many words.

And to call Biden's support of Israel's horrific policies and now genocide as politically expedient to some and they are ok with it, well that's just sick. Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings. I am not some lone ranger either on US-Israeli complicitness of the oppression of the Palestinians in an extremely one sided way for the most part.

If you think calling out someone for saying, well Biden's support of Israel is politically smart no matter what, it's politically smart, as being a horrific position - if that is being too mean. Well, re-assess yourself. It's not working.
your going way way beyond that.

Your calling for Biden to step down and for Democrats to go commit political suicide for your cause.


Your calling it "ruthless political calculus". But when you have 78% of those 45 and older think the U.S. should take a publicly pro-Israel stance, well yea. Is it ruthless to acknowledge reality?
 
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Indus

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your going way way beyond that.

Your calling for Biden to step down and for Democrats to go commit political suicide for your cause.


Your calling it "ruthless political calculus". But when you have 78% of those 45 and older think the U.S. should take a publicly pro-Israel stance, well yea. Is it ruthless to acknowledge reality?

Except those same 45 and older folks have been told "Don't fuck with us Boomers!" by Gen-Z quite recently!
 

K1052

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Meanwhile "no worse than Biden" Trump on Palestine is scheming the largest deportation in US history with questionable authority and that is likely to lead to massive social and economic problems. Deleting 8-10M people from the workforce is something like an instant 2% hit do GDP. And to think that people don't like prices now what's going to occur when this workforce disappears nearly overnight?

If he ends up president again thanks to people who flip for him and/or 3rd party you cannot say you were not credibly warned about the likely consequences. As such the ultimate responsibility for the below and more would be yours.


Sweeping Raids, Giant Camps and Mass Deportations: Inside Trump’s 2025 Immigration Plans

The plans would sharply restrict both legal and illegal immigration in a multitude of ways.

Mr. Trump wants to revive his first-term border policies, including banning entry by people from certain Muslim-majority nations and reimposing a Covid 19-era policy of refusing asylum claims — though this time he would base that refusal on assertions that migrants carry other infectious diseases like tuberculosis.

He plans to scour the country for unauthorized immigrants and deport people by the millions per year.

To help speed mass deportations, Mr. Trump is preparing an enormous expansion of a form of removal that does not require due process hearings. To help Immigration and Customs Enforcement carry out sweeping raids, he plans to reassign other federal agents and deputize local police officers and National Guard soldiers voluntarily contributed by Republican-run states.


In a second Trump presidency, the visas of foreign students who participated in anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian protests would be canceled. U.S. consular officials abroad will be directed to expand ideological screening of visa applicants to block people the Trump administration considers to have undesirable attitudes. People who were granted temporary protected status because they are from certain countries deemed unsafe, allowing them to lawfully live and work in the United States, would have that status revoked.

Similarly, numerous people who have been allowed to live in the country temporarily for humanitarian reasons would also lose that status and be kicked out, including tens of thousands of the Afghans who were evacuated amid the 2021 Taliban takeover and allowed to enter the United States. Afghans holding special visas granted to people who helped U.S. forces would be revetted to see if they really did.

And Mr. Trump would try to end birthright citizenship for babies born in the United States to undocumented parents — by proclaiming that policy to be the new position of the government and by ordering agencies to cease issuing citizenship-affirming documents like Social Security cards and passports to them. That policy’s legal legitimacy, like nearly all of Mr. Trump’s plans, would be virtually certain to end up before the Supreme Court.
 
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MrSquished

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your going way way beyond that.

Your calling for Biden to step down and for Democrats to go commit political suicide for your cause.


Your calling it "ruthless political calculus". But when you have 78% of those 45 and older think the U.S. should take a publicly pro-Israel stance, well yea. Is it ruthless to acknowledge reality?

Hey if you don't want to acknowledge supporting genocide because it's politically expedient is not horrific, that's on you. I know you want to feel good about yourself and that's understandable, but you're full of shit. It's a completely shitty and horrific position to take especially for Democrats. Where something like 85% of the party believes and immediate ceasefire is necessary.

Where did I say I want the Democrats to commit political suicide? It's not like I'm saying this excellent candidate should go away. Biden is one of the most flawed incumbents in democratic history. He's a coin flip against Trump and could easily lose if anything else happens. A lot can happen in a year and Trump may not be the nominee for a few reasons.

Political suicide is thinking a bunch of political junkies that know the intricacies of the political situation in the US in depth, while most normal people have no clue. And that people will do the logical thing based upon the knowledge we have because they must. So we don't have to provide them with a better reason to vote.
 

Leeea

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Hey if you don't want to acknowledge supporting genocide because it's politically expedient is not horrific, that's on you. I know you want to feel good about yourself and that's understandable, but you're full of shit. It's a completely shitty and horrific position to take especially for Democrats. Where something like 85% of the party believes and immediate ceasefire is necessary.

Where did I say I want the Democrats to commit political suicide? It's not like I'm saying this excellent candidate should go away. Biden is one of the most flawed incumbents in democratic history. He's a coin flip against Trump and could easily lose if anything else happens. A lot can happen in a year and Trump may not be the nominee for a few reasons.

Political suicide is thinking a bunch of political junkies that know the intricacies of the political situation in the US in depth, while most normal people have no clue. And that people will do the logical thing based upon the knowledge we have because they must. So we don't have to provide them with a better reason to vote.
It isn't genocide. It is a horrific tragedy. But it is not genocide.

You never cared about the West Bank for 20 years prior. Why do you care about what is happening in Gaza now?

In the west bank from 2008 to now you had 160,000 injuries and 7,000 dead, and you never gave a shit.

Six months from now when it is out of the news cycle will you still give a shit?
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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It isn't genocide. It is a horrific tragedy. But it is not genocide.

You never cared about the West Bank for 20 years prior. Why do you care about what is happening in Gaza now?

In the west bank from 2008 to now you had 160,000 injuries and 7,000 dead, and you never gave a shit.

Six months from now when it is out of the news cycle will you still give a shit?

The genocide thing has been discussed in the other thread quite a bit so feel free to read it.

I've always given a shit about the Palestinian issue and have paid attention to it since I've been an adult. So yes I will give a shit about it. Do you have anything you've cared about for more than 5 minutes?

Another thing with biden is if for any reason if Trump is not the nominee Biden is probably in deep shit. Especially against someone like Haley. Florida Ron possibly but it's the Trump brand name that drives anti-votes not as much a Nikki Haley. It's not guaranteed Trump is the nominee for various reasons.

Again but some Democrats want to go for a coin flip against the one candidate their guy can beat. Seems to be a rather terrible way to prepare for saving democracy.
 

cytg111

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In regards to Biden stepping down or not.

It is the same thing as it was with Hillary isnt it?

The Republican propaganda machine has taken an extremely efficient administration, making huge plays and wins and translated everything into turds and Hunter's cock and stuffed it down 50% of the US voting block.

Is reality not that most Americans think Biden is too old (read between the lines: Senile)? Wonder where that sentiment stems from.

Of course Americans votes with their feels, it's the entirety of the GOP PR mechanics. Feels. And via feels get people to vote against their own basic interest.

Whatever the calculus is, whatever the cards in play, one thing and one thing only stands as mission objective: Trump cant win. It's fucking game over if he does.
 
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WelshBloke

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I think you know lots of people that supposedly aren't racist but drink with neo nazi's in exclusive clubs.

Similarly the so called civilians sure do a lot of work with the not very nice guys and enjoy their protections.

Despite what one wants to believe.. it's important to see reality for what it is, rather than get brainwashed into perceptions! For example unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!

Very important for the LGBT community to Know thy enemy!!
Whoa! Dude! When did you go all nuts?

I should pay more attention to you guys, we might need to get more sedatives!
 

feralkid

Lifer
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I think you know lots of people that supposedly aren't racist but drink with neo nazi's in exclusive clubs.

Similarly the so called civilians sure do a lot of work with the not very nice guys and enjoy their protections.

Despite what one wants to believe.. it's important to see reality for what it is, rather than get brainwashed into perceptions! For example unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!

Very important for the LGBT community to Know thy enemy!!
The f?
 

MrSquished

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The only way Trump is not the GOP nominee is if he's dead.

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There are a couple other reasons. His legal problems and his own instability could collide in a way never seen before.

Nothing is set in stone even though it's most likely. Why would you nomibate somebody that's only a coin flip against only the most likely candidate and would do worse against mostly anybody else?

Doesn't seem like a good plan.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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In regards to Biden stepping down or not.

It is the same thing as it was with Hillary isnt it?

The Republican propaganda machine has taken an extremely efficient administration, making huge plays and wins and translated everything into turds and Hunter's cock and stuffed it down 50% of the US voting block.

Is reality not that most Americans think Biden is too old (read between the lines: Senile)? Wonder where that sentiment stems from.

Of course Americans votes with their feels, it's the entirety of the GOP PR mechanics. Feels. And via feels get people to vote against their own basic interest.

Whatever the calculus is, whatever the cards in play, one thing and one thing only stands as mission objective: Trump cant win. It's fucking game over if he does.
This fucking fucktard, he couldnt do a decent thing per accident, a shitty human being through and through.

 
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manly

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Whoa! Dude! When did you go all nuts?

I should pay more attention to you guys, we might need to get more sedatives!
LMAO this thread has kinda devolved into who can act more nuts than the next guy.

LOL at being afraid of beating Nikki Haley in a general election. Donald Trump himself would be attacking her more than Joe Biden would be.
 
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K1052

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There are a couple other reasons. His legal problems and his own instability could collide in a way never seen before.

Nothing is set in stone even though it's most likely. Why would you nomibate somebody that's only a coin flip against only the most likely candidate and would do worse against mostly anybody else?

Doesn't seem like a good plan.

His legal issues will weigh against him in the general election not the GOP primary.

R primary voters would pick literal Adolf Hitler.
 

amenx

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Despite what one wants to believe.. it's important to see reality for what it is, rather than get brainwashed into perceptions! For example unless you're a perfect muslim, you're a kafir and you should be beheaded as an appeasement to Allah and to spread the greatness of his name!
This is ISIS view, the most extreme of Islamic interpretations. Many Muslim countries have alcohol sold to public, bars, prostitution (Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey among others). Therefore a lot of Muslims are not "perfect" from your/ISIS interpretation.
 
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Indus

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This is ISIS view, the most extreme of Islamic interpretations. Many Muslim countries have alcohol sold to public, bars, prostitution (Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey among others). Therefore a lot of Muslims are not "perfect" from your/ISIS interpretation.

And who killed kids at the rave? Me and ISIS according to you.

And who arrests people and then sentences them to lashings for sex? Me and ISIS according to you.

And who shaves off the heads of transgirls? Me and ISIS according to you.

 
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