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Well yeah, of course Florida was legitimate because he won! /S
Well yeah, of course Florida was legitimate because he won! /S
The narrative is obvious.Well yeah, of course Florida was legitimate because he won! /S
Well yeah, of course Florida was legitimate because he won! /S
I’m pretty sure Republicans’ position is that Democrats commit fraud in every election but when Republicans win it’s because the ‘legitimate’ vote for them was so overwhelming.That is basically the MAGA principle- the definitive evidence of voter fraud is "our guy didn't win".
I'm actually quite surprised the Tories here haven't adopted the same attitude. They've copied much of the rest, including voter-supression. But even though they introduced the entirely-unnecessary voter ID rules, they so far haven't made any claims about vote fraud actually affecting results.
Maybe because they are so busy fighting among themselves. Some of them seem to be happy for their party to lose elections because it strengthens their factions against the leadership.
The Republicans seem to have been comprehensively taken over by the MAGA people, whereas the Conservative Party hasn't quite gone fully UKIP - it's now a ramshackle coalition of feuding factions.
Dems like to talk about having a deep bench (and I think they do), so maybe now is a good time to use it.
Much better option than Newsom.
Are Democrats ignoring the next Obama to save Biden’s struggling campaign?
Why are the Democrats still sticking with Biden/Harris instead of someone who possesses at least as much charisma as a 2004-era Obama?thehill.com
I think Lawrence was addressing this directly to you.Dems like to talk about having a deep bench (and I think they do), so maybe now is a good time to use it.
Much better option than Newsom.
Are Democrats ignoring the next Obama to save Biden’s struggling campaign?
Why are the Democrats still sticking with Biden/Harris instead of someone who possesses at least as much charisma as a 2004-era Obama?thehill.com
Joe Biden is the only Democrat in the nation with... money.I think Lawrence was addressing this directly to you.
It's nothing but....wait for it.... political reality.Joe Biden is the only Democrat in the nation with... money.
Hell of an argument. Thanks Lawrence.
Joe Biden is the only Democrat in the nation with... money.
Hell of an argument. Thanks Lawrence.
Just tell me who you are going to vote for. Otherwise this is just more fodder for Trump.Joe Biden being the nominee is embarrassing for the Dems. You have the greatest threat to democracy and decency in decades and that's your A-team candidate? I can't blame people for being like wtf. But I have to acknowledge how bad it looks but who cares, y'all better get out and vote anyway because the stakes are too damn high and it's fundamentally good vs evil.
as far as arab american voters though - At this point, with Biden clearly funding a total ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and vetoing the latest cease fire with over a million Palestinians pushed into a small area now being bombarded, I can't blame them for simply not voting. I mean sure Trump is worse, but I can't blame people for just not voting for Biden who is still literally protecting and supporting a genocide/ethnic cleansing. At some point assisting and funding and protecting a genocidal regime is evil enough to just not vote. To them that's a much more personal issue. It's part of the arab identity - the western colonialist subjugation of the Palestinians. So I can't blame them for focusing on that.
It’s funny how he complains about the lack of analytic rigor behind some of these things (falsely) and then provides zero of his own. Why do people waste their time on this stupidity?Worked for Hilary!
Three Comforting Lies Democrats Need to Stop Telling Themselves About November
Let’s start with strategists saying Biden’s polls are nothing to worry about.slate.com
Joe Biden being the nominee is embarrassing for the Dems. You have the greatest threat to democracy and decency in decades and that's your A-team candidate? I can't blame people for being like wtf. But I have to acknowledge how bad it looks but who cares, y'all better get out and vote anyway because the stakes are too damn high and it's fundamentally good vs evil.
as far as arab american voters though - At this point, with Biden clearly funding a total ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and vetoing the latest cease fire with over a million Palestinians pushed into a small area now being bombarded, I can't blame them for simply not voting. I mean sure Trump is worse, but I can't blame people for just not voting for Biden who is still literally protecting and supporting a genocide/ethnic cleansing. At some point assisting and funding and protecting a genocidal regime is evil enough to just not vote. To them that's a much more personal issue. It's part of the arab identity - the western colonialist subjugation of the Palestinians. So I can't blame them for focusing on that.
right. but how much can a population with an issue they identify with so dearly take? I mean to us it's like - sure just eat the genocide and vote for the guy. he's still better than Trump.If they want to not participate in an election against a guy who, if he got a compliant Supreme Court ruling, would revoke their citizenships and deport them then that's a choice they are entitled to make. As it stands Trump has pledged to deport anybody on a visa who says negative stuff about Israel. I see a lot of people complaining about Biden and wishing him to lose the election over this who are totally ignoring what Trump's going to do. Not to mention the fact that Trump will be way more permissive as to what the Israeli right will do not just in Gaza but also in the West Bank.
It's fine to be frustrated at Biden's stance and to make that felt in the primary IMO. But in the general not voting for him is not going to be a win for anybody who has these issues as a priority.
Just tell me who you are going to vote for. Otherwise this is just more fodder for Trump.
That wasn't until the end basically. Did you learn anything else? You know, history.Joe Biden is the only Democrat in the nation with... money.
Hell of an argument. Thanks Lawrence.
right. but how much can a population with an issue they identify with so dearly take? I mean to us it's like - sure just eat the genocide and vote for the guy. he's still better than Trump.
At this point, with what has happened in Gaza and how Biden is still funding them and protecting their ethnic cleansing, I honestly can't blame them for saying, there is only so much shit we can take and be taken totally for granted. I mean christ, you let Israel have their genocidal kicks, but you are still helping them?
I can gladly vote for Biden but I'm not an Arab-American that identifies with the oppression of the Palestinians, and now their blatant cleansing.
Support for Israel has historically been a popular position for most Americans and, for somewhat different reasons, the politics on both sides have largely reflected that. Biden is just the current manifestation of this support. The Israeli's almost sank a USN ship and killed a few dozen sailors and that barely dented their standing.
The Israeli's almost sank a USN ship and killed a few dozen sailors and that barely dented their standing.
Did Biden win 2020 or no? Because winning is what matters. If you can't win, it's all for naughtJoe Biden being the nominee is embarrassing for the Dems. You have the greatest threat to democracy and decency in decades and that's your A-team candidate? I can't blame people for being like wtf. But I have to acknowledge how bad it looks but who cares, y'all better get out and vote anyway because the stakes are too damn high and it's fundamentally good vs evil.
as far as arab american voters though - At this point, with Biden clearly funding a total ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and vetoing the latest cease fire with over a million Palestinians pushed into a small area now being bombarded, I can't blame them for simply not voting. I mean sure Trump is worse, but I can't blame people for just not voting for Biden who is still literally protecting and supporting a genocide/ethnic cleansing. At some point assisting and funding and protecting a genocidal regime is evil enough to just not vote. To them that's a much more personal issue. It's part of the arab identity - the western colonialist subjugation of the Palestinians. So I can't blame them for focusing on that.
Did Biden win 2020 or no? Because winning is what matters. If you can't win, it's all for naught
If we keep listening to our pal MrSquished, we're all going to sit out 2024 and Biden will lose.Did Biden win 2020 or no? Because winning is what matters. If you can't win, it's all for naught
I mean thanks for proving my point. That's a long way to say forget about ethics are in the slightest; we can't expect Biden to buck the trend
Even though Israel committing this type of ethnic cleansing has never been seen before, We still wouldn't want him to hurt their feelings now would we.
Literally zero empathy and just oh this guy's helpless we can't dare Buck the Israelis even when they cross lines they've never crossed before, And they've crossed some fucked up lines already.
I mean you basically just proved their case to them. Congrats.