I mean thanks for proving my point. That's a long way to say forget about ethics are in the slightest; we can't expect Biden to buck the trend
Even though Israel committing this type of ethnic cleansing has never been seen before, We still wouldn't want him to hurt their feelings now would we.
Literally zero empathy and just oh this guy's helpless we can't dare Buck the Israelis even when they cross lines they've never crossed before, And they've crossed some fucked up lines already.
I mean you basically just proved their case to them. Congrats.
I'm not sure why people bring up this point constantly as if 2020 is the same as 2024. Biden didn't have these fucking poll numbers then. And I'm still saying to vote for Biden I'm just saying you have to acknowledge the people that he's a pretty weak choice for a party that's trying to fight the end of democracy.
How can I convince people to get out and vote that need a little convincing by not being honest about this is a bit embarrassing for the Democrats And I understand your frustrations with this system.
And as far as the Arab Americans you can't have people just saying well we can't do anything so just suck it up. With literally zero empathy. Just fucking deal with it. Like this guy responds to me Biden can't do anything he's stuck. Like the fucking president of the United States is completely stuck when a genocide is being televised.
It's not just Arabs. If you're truly engaged with voters as you say you are.. you will know not many are enthusiastic about him at all!
Did Biden win 2020 or no? Because winning is what matters. If you can't win, it's all for naught
I am engaged with voters. and quite a few get it - it's Biden vs Evil, but there's enough of voters who are still left - let me tell you, if I were to just gloss over Bidens negatives like some people here do - the voters not super motivated to go out and vote would not take me seriously. I mean let's be honest, Joe Biden at his press conferences looks like an ancient animatronic in some sort of weird slow motion disrepair half the time. It's like he's trying to move, but his parts are not oiled and his motors have not lost one step, but five steps. I have to acknowledge that and that it's a pity the Dems could not do better this go around, I get your disillusionment. But...
I'm talking about mostly voters in NJ, but other people I know around the country. It's not like Biden won't win NJ, but there are numerous towns and counties in different districts where Dems need all downballot votes. I'm thinking big picture here, it's not just about how the state votes for Biden, it's how every other election goes underneath him.
What you don't get is, me either, but that train left the station. Work with reality, not wishes.It's not just Arabs. If you're truly engaged with voters as you say you are.. you will know not many are enthusiastic about him at all!
Again, never said that. But you are talking to people for whom the Palestinian issue is dearly personal to them. Not pretty much anyone here.If Biden bucking the trend leads to a hyper-pro-Israeli Trump presidency, was it worth bucking?
I'm not sure who is telling you to gloss over Biden's negatives. It should be enough to point out that on every issue Biden has wrong, the Republican/Trump position on that same issue is way, way worse.I am engaged with voters. and quite a few get it - it's Biden vs Evil, but there's enough of voters who are still left - let me tell you, if I were to just gloss over Bidens negatives like some people here do - the voters not super motivated to go out and vote would not take me seriously. I mean let's be honest, Joe Biden at his press conferences looks like an ancient animatronic in some sort of weird slow motion disrepair half the time. It's like he's trying to move, but his parts are not oiled and his motors have not lost one step, but five steps. I have to acknowledge that and that it's a pity the Dems could not do better this go around, I get your disillusionment. But...
I'm talking about mostly voters in NJ, but other people I know around the country. It's not like Biden won't win NJ, but there are numerous towns and counties in different districts where Dems need all downballot votes. I'm thinking big picture here, it's not just about how the state votes for Biden, it's how every other election goes underneath him.
Which potential Democratic candidates would handle the Israel/Palestine situation much differently than it is now?right. but how much can a population with an issue they identify with so dearly take? I mean to us it's like - sure just eat the genocide and vote for the guy. he's still better than Trump.
At this point, with what has happened in Gaza and how Biden is still funding them and protecting their ethnic cleansing, I honestly can't blame them for saying, there is only so much shit we can take and be taken totally for granted. I mean christ, you let Israel have their genocidal kicks, but you are still helping them?
I can gladly vote for Biden but I'm not an Arab-American that identifies with the oppression of the Palestinians, and now their blatant cleansing.
Exactly. Work with reality. Acknowledge to people that Biden is a weak choice all things considered, it's a bad look for the Dems, yes, we know. But it's the only choice right now for these reasons, and you have to vote even if Biden will win your state, because it's about taking back the government from all GQP.What you don't get is, me either, but that train left the station. Work with reality, not wishes.
I'm not sure who is telling you to gloss over Biden's negatives. It should be enough to point out that on every issue Biden has wrong, the Republican/Trump position on that same issue is way, way worse.
Biden is old/demented? Okay, sure he is old and makes some gaffes, but here are a few samples of things Trump has said. Here are some things young Republicans have said. Which is worse?
Biden isn't standing up to Israel? Trump and Republicans would give Israel the money and weapons to wipe out Gaza and likely other areas for good. Which is worse?
You cannot find an issue where Biden or Dems have a worse take than Republicans or Trump. You cannot do it.
I have no idea. We never had a primary.Which potential Democratic candidates would handle the Israel/Palestine situation much differently than it is now?
Ah, with all your kvetching I thought you maybe had some idea of a person who would actually make a difference in what it is you're complaining about.I have no idea. We never had a primary.
What's your point? How is that going to convince Arab Americans of anything anyway? Hey look, just so you know, there is no Democrat with any shot at power that would not aid and abet genocide, so deal with Biden. Nobody in your political party cares enough, so, suck it up buttercup. Is that the argument you want to make? Are you trying to convince them to just leave the Democratic party here entirely?
Ah, with all your kvetching I thought you maybe had some idea of a person who would actually make a difference in what it is you're complaining about.
You're right though, with a critical election coming up, it would really be best for all the Democratic potentials to spend time and resources attacking each other for months to really put us in the best position for 2024, because the guy who won last time is old.
Edit: I'm not talking to these hypothetical people you're concerned with, I'm talking to you. I guess if it made them feel better to effectively do nothing at all to stop the genocide, you know, that's a choice they could make.
I love the strategy of engagement and improved messaging.I'm not sure who is telling you to gloss over Biden's negatives. It should be enough to point out that on every issue Biden has wrong, the Republican/Trump position on that same issue is way, way worse.
Biden is old/demented? Okay, sure he is old and makes some gaffes, but here are a few samples of things Trump has said. Here are some things young Republicans have said. Which is worse?
Biden isn't standing up to Israel? Trump and Republicans would give Israel the money and weapons to wipe out Gaza and likely other areas for good. Which is worse?
You cannot find an issue where Biden or Dems have a worse take than Republicans or Trump. You cannot do it.
which logic specifically?Some seriously fucked up logic in this thread.
I know text doesn't always translate well, so I am trying to be patient with you. Instead of calling you stupid or insulting your reading comprehension I am going to try to clarify.I'm not sure who is telling you to gloss over Biden's negatives. It should be enough to point out that on every issue Biden has wrong, the Republican/Trump position on that same issue is way, way worse.
Biden is old/demented? Okay, sure he is old and makes some gaffes, but here are a few samples of things Trump has said. Here are some things young Republicans have said. Which is worse?
Biden isn't standing up to Israel? Trump and Republicans would give Israel the money and weapons to wipe out Gaza and likely other areas for good. Which is worse?
You cannot find an issue where Biden or Dems have a worse take than Republicans or Trump. You cannot do it.
Sure they are. I have been attacked for being honest about Biden here even while saying I am encouraging everyone to vote for him. In fact some have said if they even need any convincing to get out and vote, they are loons and not safe to walk among us.
Why do I get attacked for criticizing Biden here, in a forum of political junkies and not independent on the fence voters? The only answer is they want me to gloss over his negatives. No he's not just a lil old and makes some gaffes, he looks like a failed animatronic in a battle of good vs evil where people get emotional. The polls back that up.
I mean duh, I literally said Biden vs Trump is good vs evil, so of course I agree he is better than Trump on all the issues.
But no, Joe Biden is not standing up to Israel, at all. I'm not sure how you can even say that with a straight face. He's straight up enabling AND financing them to commit all these atrocities. Literally they could not do it without the Biden administration's support, that's how little he is standing up to them, as in, not really at all.
I didn't say that. I formatted that as a question. See the above quote with new color coding. The yellow/orange are complaints people might have about Biden. The green is the easy response to those concerns.But no, Joe Biden is not standing up to Israel, at all. I'm not sure how you can even say that with a straight face.
I mean congrats, after reading all this you are so close to getting it, but really, still quite far. It's like reading is within your grasp, but not quite.I love the strategy of engagement and improved messaging.
If we remind disaffected voters of how old and bad Joe Biden is, then they'll vote for him!
I'm not sure if it's political expediency (I don't think so), but Biden has moved left on the Israel/Hamas issue over the past 4 months.
On the border "crisis," he's actually moved sharply right and that should concern a lot of us. Walking a tightrope/threading a needle on thorny political issues is difficult, unrewarding work.
I know text doesn't always translate well, so I am trying to be patient with you. Instead of calling you stupid or insulting your reading comprehension I am going to try to clarify.
I didn't say that. I formatted that as a question. See the above quote with new color coding. The yellow/orange are complaints people might have about Biden. The green is the easy response to those concerns.
In other words, your response to someone complaining about Biden helping Israel is to point out Republicans want to help them do it faster and more completely.
It was the best Democrats could do last time, and he won, I will remind you yet once again that I did not want him as the Democratic candidate. But I still don't think investing resources in a primary where no candidate escapes unscathed seems the best strategic maneuver if your primary goal is to win the election. But keep up the snark, you're doing a great job discrediting yourself. If you think I'm part of the DNC cult you've got your head firmly up your arse.If you want to remain oblivious to people's very valid issues about Biden and stick with the position that he was the best choice for the Dems, go for it. Please tell that to all people who may need a bit of convincing to get out and vote on election day. This is the best Dems can do so deal with it. I couldn't do that with a straight face. The cult of Dems is real apparently.
I would laugh at you.
Edit: and no I don't know the positions of everybody who would have run in a primary on the Israel Gaza issue. it has just happened in the last few months, and again, we had no primary.
There is that pretty little MAGAT. Get lost chicken little.Dems like to talk about having a deep bench (and I think they do), so maybe now is a good time to use it.
Much better option than Newsom.
Are Democrats ignoring the next Obama to save Biden’s struggling campaign?
Why are the Democrats still sticking with Biden/Harris instead of someone who possesses at least as much charisma as a 2004-era Obama?thehill.com
That's because I'm a pseudo-intellectual.I mean congrats, after reading all this you are so close to getting it, but really, still quite far. It's like reading is within your grasp, but not quite.