There is my chicken little MAGAT. You are not fooling anyone
There is my chicken little MAGAT. You are not fooling anyone2020 might as well have been a lifetime ago.
Biden was the right guy at the right time, then. He didn't look or sound nearly as frail as he does now, and the number of gaffes were quite less. He looks weaker every month. Is he ill?
It was the best Democrats could do last time, and he won, I will remind you yet once again that I did not want him as the Democratic candidate. But I still don't think investing resources in a primary where no candidate escapes unscathed seems the best strategic maneuver if your primary goal is to win the election. But keep up the snark, you're doing a great job discrediting yourself. If you think I'm part of the DNC cult you've got your head firmly up your arse.
That's because I'm a pseudo-intellectual.
In his spare time, Joe Biden probably pilots a drone over Gaza dropping 2000 lb bombs on residential blocks. FFS no wonder people around here can't stand your incessant whining.
yes, because those hamas are such innocent little babes and were and are clearly looking out for its civilians. Both sides are deranged and the innocent civilians get to suffer. I hope Netanyahu and hamas diaf and a two state solution that is fair to the palestinians comes out of this but who am I kiddingOh good lord. You still gonna show me the quote where Jon Stewart said Biden is a bad man? Good luck. You can't back up the nonsense you speak when asked for evidence, and now with these stupid statements about Joe Biden piloting drones. He's not piloting them dummy, he's buying them and letting them operate.
Hey if you want to look an arab-American in the eye and say that shit to them, which is what I am talking about here, understanding Arab-Americans - you are not a pseudo-intellectual, you are just a moron. Congrats on your 'promotion'
yes, because those hamas are such innocent little babes and were and are clearly looking out for its civilians. Both sides are deranged and the innocent civilians get to suffer. I hope Netanyahu and hamas diaf and a two state solution that is fair to the palestinians comes out of this but who am I kidding
I've publicly agreed with your sentiments more times than I can count. So for you to resort to ad hominem attacks is a sad look.Oh good lord. You still gonna show me the quote where Jon Stewart said Biden is a bad man? Good luck. You can't back up the nonsense you speak when asked for evidence, and now with these stupid statements about Joe Biden piloting drones. He's not piloting them dummy, he's buying them and letting them operate.
Hey if you want to look an arab-American in the eye and say that shit to them, which is what I am talking about here, understanding Arab-Americans - you are not a pseudo-intellectual, you are just a moron. Congrats on your 'promotion'
I personally think no democrat besides Biden could beat Trump including newsom especially with Biden’s war chest and incumbent advantage. I also have to laugh at the Biden is old but Trump with his mumbles and incoherent babbling is more fit narrative. Definitely a 🙄 I wish our choices were neither of these but it is what it isI'm just talking about your position. If you think Biden was the only choice Dems had this year, I'm sorry, that's like cut and dry establishment Democratic boilerplate and a seriously bad cop out for anyone actually critical of the Dem machine, which includes the DNC and related apparatus and power structures.
I have to believe, as a democrat, that we could have pulled off a primary just fine, and that, in fact, within the Democratic ranks, we could have done better than Biden. If I didn't think the Dems had the serious potential to have done better this time than what we have now, I would simply be an Independent.
I'm just talking about your position. If you think Biden was the only choice Dems had this year, I'm sorry, that's like cut and dry establishment Democratic boilerplate and a seriously bad cop out for anyone actually critical of the Dem machine, which includes the DNC and related apparatus and power structures.
I have to believe, as a democrat, that we could have pulled off a primary just fine, and that, in fact, within the Democratic ranks, we could have done better than Biden. If I didn't think the Dems had the serious potential to have done better this time than what we have now, I would simply be an Independent.
Edit: btw I have said Biden was the right man at the right time in 2020. I think that was his perfect time and have said so multiple times. But 2024 is certainly not 2020 and people need to stop living in the past when it's quite a bit different now.
LOL, the GOP will always have lying points.Honestly, Biden could have and should have announced in 2023 that he wasn't running, allow the DNC to have a proper primary and put forth a fresh candidate. This in itself would take away most of the GOP talking points.
You would like that MAGATHonestly, Biden could have and should have announced in 2023 that he wasn't running, allow the DNC to have a proper primary and put forth a fresh candidate. This in itself would take away most of the GOP talking points.
I'm an independent, FYI. Don't really care whether you agree or disagree, and didn't say they'd implode--the implication is that the attacks and resource drain in the primary could have a net negative impact on independents. Democrats are, for the most part, going to vote D no matter what. I haven't really seen a compelling argument from you on why Biden should have stepped down when he was good enough for Democrats last time. If there's one thing the last couple decades have shown us, it's that one thing Americans really like is "more of the same".I will never understand the attitude that the GQP will always be shitty, so let's just accept mediocrity and lack of vision in crucial moments of history.
Seems like a terrible cop-out and attitude.
@nakedfrog in regards to a primary being tough - well in 2008 the Dems had a primary with the anointed one Hilary being overthrown by Obama. During an economic meltdown. Pretty intense situations and a pretty contested primary. And look what happened. I also disagree with the - well the Democrats simply can't handle anything more than continuation otherwise they'll likely implode, so any primary is a bad idea. You want proof, there you go. And as far as a primary this year, the Dems got together and banded behind Biden when the time came in the primary in 2016. And I thought that was great and supported it. To face Trump. Why wouldn't they have done that again if it was an open primary this year? I fail to see the logic.
It's too much tepid mediocre overly-cautious Democrat thinking that needs to go away. Just the kind of thinking that holds us back and has cost us power in the past.
A primary when you have an incumbent and a primary when you don't have an incumbent are very different things.I will never understand the attitude that the GQP will always be shitty, so let's just accept mediocrity and lack of vision in crucial moments of history.
Seems like a terrible cop-out and attitude.
@nakedfrog in regards to a primary being tough - well in 2008 the Dems had a primary with the anointed one Hilary being overthrown by Obama. During an economic meltdown. Pretty intense situations and a pretty contested primary. And look what happened. I also disagree with the - well the Democrats simply can't handle anything more than continuation otherwise they'll likely implode, so any primary is a bad idea. You want proof, there you go. And as far as a primary this year, the Dems got together and banded behind Biden when the time came in the primary in 2016. And I thought that was great and supported it. To face Trump. Why wouldn't they have done that again if it was an open primary this year? I fail to see the logic.
It's too much tepid mediocre overly-cautious Democrat thinking that needs to go away. Just the kind of thinking that holds us back and has cost us power in the past.
I'm an independent, FYI. Don't really care whether you agree or disagree, and didn't say they'd implode--the implication is that the attacks and resource drain in the primary could have a net negative impact on independents. Democrats are, for the most part, going to vote D no matter what. I haven't really seen a compelling argument from you on why Biden should have stepped down when he was good enough for Democrats last time. If there's one thing the last couple decades have shown us, it's that one thing Americans really like is "more of the same".
If @gothuevos and @Indus are both agreeing with you vigorously, you might want to reevaluate your position.Friendly reminder that @gothuevos is literally wrong about everything.
If he says something, you can put good money on the opposite being true.
I'll repeat this again. A contested primary against Biden with him not stepping down is a dumb idea. I'm talking about an open primary without an incumbent. Just like 2020 when the Dems fought it out and rallied behind Biden at what people had figured out, Trump was an existential threat to all things decent.A primary when you have an incumbent and a primary when you don't have an incumbent are very different things.
And again: nothing was stopping anyone from signing up to primary Biden. The DNC isn't some all powerfully organization that pulls the strings behind the curtain.
If @gothuevos and @Indus are both agreeing with you vigorously, you might want to reevaluate your position.
I literally said why, there's a real possibility of it being a net negative impact on independents, and resources put into winning a primary could be better spent on the general. You could easily come out of the primary with a candidate more compelling to Democrats than to the wider voting population. People SAY the last thing they want is a Biden-Trump rematch, but if you ask them who they'd like instead... you probably aren't going to get great answers. Like you, you can't point towards anyone you think would be a great, unifying candidate, just that we needed to have a primary to figure it out.You seem intelligent so I still am not sure you really believe Biden is the same guy now as he was in 2020, and the situation is the same as well. The polls literally tell us that Biden is doing way worse in various significant polls than before. He can still win, but it's obtuse to say Americans really want more of the same right now. I mean that is so out of touch. The last thing most people want is a Biden-Trump rematch. Not sure why you are in denial of that fact.
And again, why do you think the primary would be bad when you have literally the most recent primary as an example of democrats letting the primary play out and rallying behind a single candidate when it was necessary? Please answer the question.
And again, why do you think the primary would be bad when you have literally the most recent primary as an example of democrats letting the primary play out and rallying behind a single candidate when it was necessary? Please answer the question.
Keep at it with the ad hominem attacks; I'm sure those hard to convince voters love your style of messaging. I'm done with you in this subforum because frankly, you have no idea what everyone is telling you. And like I said earlier, I've supported your thinking many times over the past few years.If you want to make claims, then never back them up, like folks saying Joe Biden is a bad hombre. Or then say nonsense like Joe Biden is flying the drones in a discussion of how to speak to arab-americans, you might be a jackwagon with a low IQ, who has nothing but to troll now, because they cant read English well enough to figure out the points.
Historically, it does not work for the party to have the incumbent primaried. I don't give a damn what the reason is. This is just a fact.I'm an independent, FYI. Don't really care whether you agree or disagree, and didn't say they'd implode--the implication is that the attacks and resource drain in the primary could have a net negative impact on independents. Democrats are, for the most part, going to vote D no matter what. I haven't really seen a compelling argument from you on why Biden should have stepped down when he was good enough for Democrats last time. If there's one thing the last couple decades have shown us, it's that one thing Americans really like is "more of the same".
When was the last time any political party got rid of their Presidential incumbent who wanted to run again?