So you won’t be providing any quotes from anyone here that says democrats or Biden shouldn’t be criticized or who believe their policies are perfect.
Lol yeah but I’m the one that sounds like a dipshit. Keep arguing that straw man.
I have people attacking me for daring to say that you should be able to criticize Biden and the Democrats for these election choices. I get attached for even saying it's ok to admit this was not a great look for the Dems. That they were far less than ideal and could have done better. They say these were clearly the best choices, it's clear from the primaries Biden was the first and best choice, and obviously most Democrats think so, so don't you dare say anything even approaching that.
You have to acknowledge the party's flaws to reach out to people who may not be gung-ho to vote right now. You have to admit they could have done better, because anybody with a brain can see that. But I dare say it, it's like I just said a really really naughty word.
Also these putzes think that the Democrats made no mistakes by not trying to codify Roe, because now we see Republicans are bad people so we shouldn't have made any real effort when we could have.
Sorry dude but people are in fucking denial. Learn to read English and follow the conversation.
The funny thing is I'm going to get more people to vote for Biden than Most of you combined. Not just from engaging in my community and joining local progressive efforts to get the vote out for Democrats in general, But also when I talk to people who are disillusioned and maybe checking out, I will actually come to them from a place of reality, instead of coming across like a cultist.
I mean just say the Dems made some critical mistakes But you can still say at the end of the day they're still on the right side of History and should be supported; for that I'm a fucking pariah. Can't admit a serious mistake for your party, you sound like a dipshit.
Fucking morons.
So you won’t be providing any quotes from anyone here that says democrats or Biden shouldn’t be criticized or who believe their policies are perfect.
Lol yeah but I’m the one that sounds like a dipshit. Keep arguing that straw man.
No because I never said they said Biden is perfect. But they've clearly said he's beyond a whole lot of criticism, And so are the Democrats.
I would have to quote post so many fucking threads to talk to somone who is jumping the gun like you
Seriously go read the most recent most responded to major threads.
If you can't be bothered to keep up. Not my issue.
You want to jump here and attack attack attack, and demand evidence, because you can't bother to read the most recent conversations, seriously dude, You're a fucking tool.
I have to re-read and quote it all for you?
That's rich.
Then you can't fucking read bro. Not my fucking problem.Show me three different examples from different people. You won’t because you can’t. I read a lot of threads and no one is saying Biden or democrats are beyond criticism, no matter how many times you say that’s what they are saying. For whatever reason you refuse to understand people’s criticism of you though.
No because I never said they said Biden is perfect. But they've clearly said he's beyond a whole lot of criticism, And so are the Democrats.
I would have to quote post so many fucking threads to talk to somone who is jumping the gun like you
Seriously go read the most recent most responded to major threads.
If you can't be bothered to keep up. Not my issue.
You want to jump here and attack attack attack, and demand evidence, because you can't bother to read the most recent conversations, seriously dude, You're a fucking tool.
I have to re-read and quote it all for you?
That's rich.
Go away MAGAT. You are so obvious. The democrats are a cult? HahahahahahahahaThere's a cult on both sides.
That has to be one of the more pathetic #bothsides attempts I’ve seen.Go away MAGAT. You are so obvious. The democrats are a cult? Hahahahahahahaha
You're now huffing the contents of your diaper.There's a cult on both sides.
Like, who cares?
It's this kind of sentiment and clinging to "tradition" that has us sleep walking into disaster.
"Yeah Trump won and became President for life, but at least we didn't hurt Joe's feelings by not letting him run again."
This is a not a compelling argument AT ALL.
This one is also for you.Has an incumbent been this unpopular?
This old?
This senile? Ok maybe that's too harsh but he is deteriorating in real time in front of us.
These are facts too.
This one is also for you.
Dr. John Gartner on a tale of two brains: "Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing"
"This is a fundamental breakdown in the ability to use language," the renowned mental health expert says of Trumpwww.salon.com
The Goldwater rule isn’t really a rule and it’s an incredibly stupid idea regardless.Sounds plausible but does that not violate that "Goldwater rule" or whatever it's called?
The Goldwater rule isn’t really a rule and it’s an incredibly stupid idea regardless.
I think since 2016 people have realized how dangerous the Goldwater Rule is and have started to ignore it. I agree that the line between mental illness and being an asshole is not always clear and so we should use caution. Sometimes it is clear though, lol.Didn't say I agreed with that rule, just that I thought mental health professional types all agreed to abide by it, so am surprised to read one coming out with such an argument.
It's been obvious since 2016 that there's something mentally wrong with him, but, as I understand it that rule meant nobody really said it before. And personally, I really struggle to distinguish the psycho-neurological from just ordinary character flaws (it's a topic very close to home), so the specific point about the particular way he mangles words is interesting.
LOLApparently the Dems, because they'll still help the genocide happen, but just a little bit slower.
My God I hope you definitely are not in any kind of Arab American voter reach out effort. It's disgusting what you sound like.
Utter bullshit to say that all presidents have the exact same pro-Israel policy. For example, Bibi hates Obama's guts while he loves DJT for recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.Can you name any significant leader who would do differently?
If Bill Clinton and Barack Obama could have a love child, that person would be unbeatable in elections.People are wishcasting in polls. Easy to say "you prefer someone else" when you can just image your own perfect candidate.
Good points but there is problems. Yes, I am aware that Obama and Netanyahu had problems but that didn't stop Obama for believing a lot of Israeli intelligence in handling Middle Eastern "terrorism." Obama was quite aggressive in his Middle East policies, bombing quite often. Some say that Israel had a role in this, as it usually does in the US foreign policy in the Middle East.Utter bullshit to say that all presidents have the exact same pro-Israel policy. For example, Bibi hates Obama's guts while he loves DJT for recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
IIRC Joe Biden has called himself a "Zionist" but evidence shows he's not happy with how the IDF is conducting the war. The Biden administration can certainly do better, but there are some competing political forces at play, domestically and globally. A full out ground assault on Rafah would be a catastrophe, and I don't mean politically.
I don't need to repeat the obvious differences between how Democrats and DJT view Muslims in America. Every registered voter has a right to sit out an election, but it's everyone's collective defeat if the worst president in the nation's history wins in November.
If Bill Clinton and Barack Obama could have a love child, that person would be unbeatable in elections.
He is not a far left voter if he even entertains Trump because Trump praised Hezbollah's leader and also mocked Netanyahu, lol. He is fake far left voter.Interesting..
I also think there's a re-alignment under way because of Trump. Lots of neo-cons are becoming anti-Trump because of Putin/ Ukraine.. there might be an opening for Biden.
I don't know how much of an opening though.. it's one thing to say I'm not voting for this candidate.. it's quite another to firmly go over and vote for the opposing side!
I think @pcgeek11 might actually be in this boat so maybe we need to soften our stance on him too since I find myself agreeing with him a lot more than disagreeing lately especially over foreign affairs.. which is strange because me and my wife are very definition of LGBT and he's very anti-LGBT!
Hopefully there is some softening with him too.
being a single issue voter is more or less asinine. unless the issue is "do you want democracy?"Interesting..
I also think there's a re-alignment under way because of Trump. Lots of neo-cons are becoming anti-Trump because of Putin/ Ukraine.. there might be an opening for Biden.
I don't know how much of an opening though.. it's one thing to say I'm not voting for this candidate.. it's quite another to firmly go over and vote for the opposing side!
I think @pcgeek11 might actually be in this boat so maybe we need to soften our stance on him too since I find myself agreeing with him a lot more than disagreeing lately especially over foreign affairs.. which is strange because me and my wife are very definition of LGBT and he's very anti-LGBT!
Hopefully there is some softening with him too.
Biden or Trump, it would have been the same response that's what people don't understand. Nancy Pelosi, Lindsay Graham, Chuck Schumer, Tom Cotton, all the same on this issue. 100% behind Israel no matter how many thousands of innocent people it kills.being a single issue voter is more or less asinine. unless the issue is "do you want democracy?"
there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. biden's response on israel absolutely wrecking palestine has been piss poor. sure, that's a mark against him. compared to an infinite number of flaws with trump.
there simply is no comparison.
At least Biden sees Putin for the evil he is. Trump likes that scum.Biden or Trump, it would have been the same response that's what people don't understand. Nancy Pelosi, Lindsay Graham, Chuck Schumer, Tom Cotton, all the same on this issue. 100% behind Israel no matter how many thousands of innocent people it kills.
Biden does things in a nicer way with a smile. Trump says things in a harsher way, but same policy in this matter. Biden tells Netanyahu "Two state solution" and Netanyahu laughs at him. Interesting also that Netanyahu was quick to congratulate Biden on his win so after that point, Netanyahu and Trump's relationship has not been too good.