Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

[manly]

Good points but there is problems. Yes, I am aware that Obama and Netanyahu had problems but that didn't stop Obama for believing a lot of Israeli intelligence in handling Middle Eastern "terrorism." Obama was quite aggressive in his Middle East policies, bombing quite often. Some say that Israel had a role in this, as it usually does in the US foreign policy in the Middle East.

Joe Biden might have compassion for Palestinians but his administration is full of pro-Israel people, from spokesman all the way to Antony Blinkon. When you say that the Biden administration can do better, that is the mildest statement I have heard here in a while. They are sending Israel planeloads full of weapons that target civilians and civilian areas! Hamas is hiding in tunnels. Bombing universities, hospitals, roads, shelters etc by using American made bombs, which are coming in the planeload.

We know the Republicans are 99.99% pro-Israel and love to say how much they love Israel. This disgusting guy Mike Pompeo was just dancing with the IDF soldiers recently, many of whom should be in jail for war crimes. Then we have Andy Ogles saying we should kill them all in regards to Palestinians. But then again, you have Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi coming out with ridiculous claims of sexual atrocities which did not happen - all to justify Israel's relentless campaign to target civilians. Once again, not a significant different between the parties.

Things are so bad that Rashida Tlaib is censured for making just a very mild statement. And Ilhan Omar is always vilified. Once again, I don't see democrats coming to their rescue for the most part.

Trump's Middle East policy was extremely one sided but he was surrounded by pro-Israel people too, such as his son-in-law, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. He gave everything Israel asked for, including cancelling the Iran nuclear deal. Terrible move.

So, maybe you are offended because I mentioned Biden in a negative way but realize that America's pro-Israel policy is well known to the whole world. No matter the president.

Why would I be offended that you're half right at best? Everyone knows the U.S. has a pro-Israel policy. That in and of itself isn't necessarily a problem, if we're fair and consistent with international law. The problem is that we don't hold Israel accountable when they make bad decisions. Sometimes really bad decisions. Over a very long period of time.

Nevertheless, stating that U.S. policy vis a vis Israel doesn't change regardless of president is patently false. To make it clearer to you, if Bibi is pissed off at POTUS, then we're at least trying to get more things right. I'd prefer that Bibi is pissed off at Joe Biden if it means we can slow roll our foreign aid to him. He should be groveling at our feet for the aid, not the other way around. Fuck his feelings and garbage post-war "plan."

Even you just admitted that Trump was as soft on Israel as POTUS could possibly be. Although we can't know precisely what Trump would have done, I'd bet he wouldn't give a flying fuck about humanitarian aid going into Gaza and he would have tacitly approved of a full-on assault of Rafah already.

Hilary and Nancy don't work for the Biden administration so your trying to paint everyone as the same doesn't fly.

If you're arguing that America's foreign policy towards Israel should change dramatically, that just isn't very realistic for internal and external reasons.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think @pcgeek11 might actually be in this boat so maybe we need to soften our stance on him too since I find myself agreeing with him a lot more than disagreeing lately especially over foreign affairs.. which is strange because me and my wife are very definition of LGBT and he's very anti-LGBT!

Hopefully there is some softening with him too.

I'm not Anti-LGBT. I have no issues with any of them. I have issues with how some of them act out in public with the gay parades (San Francisco) and Transvestites performing in elementary schools etc. I don't agree with indoctrination of the youth, they can make up their own mind when they mature. I also don't agree with puberty blockers and surgery on kids that are too young and immature to make those choices for themselves.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm not Anti-LGBT. I have no issues with any of them. I have issues with how some of them act out in public with the gay parades (San Francisco) and Transvestites performing in elementary schools etc. I don't agree with indoctrination of the youth, they can make up their own mind when they mature. I also don't agree with puberty blockers and surgery on kids that are too young and immature to make those choices for themselves.

do you oppose all parades? if not, why single out gay/pride parades?
do you have a problem with reading to children? or just drag queen story hour?
who is indoctrinating children? or are we just letting children decide their identities for themselves?
puberty blockers would obviously be at physician's recommendation and parents' consent. no doctor is going to recommend let alone perform surgery on children. that is not consistent with current best medical practices for trans kids.

in other words, most of what you said is either bullshit, or borne of a phobia. and to be clear, even if you're not comfortable with LGBTQ stuff, you can choose to not participate. don't attend pride parades, don't go to drag queen story hour. but don't use the force of government to choose for other people.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think I spelled out my thoughts pretty clearly.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Sleepy Don just endorsed Biden.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1761526223870587267

 

[ivwshane]

I think I spelled out my thoughts pretty clearly.

I think you highlighted your ignorance. You know how when I talk about nuclear weapons you think to yourself, “this guy doesn’t know shit”, that’s exactly what we think when you gave your reasons. Like my knowledge of military weapons, your knowledge of issues or the subjects dealing with LGBT, is based on ignorance and shitty media.

That’s not a dig at you it’s just pointing out the reality. Your opinions are yours and if you don’t care that they are based on ignorance, no one is going to stop you from being ignorant. Just know that when ignorant people talk about a subject that you happen to be very knowledgeable in, you look and sound exactly like them when discussing lgbt related subjects.

 

[brycejones]

I'm not Anti-LGBT. I have no issues with any of them. I have issues with how some of them act out in public with the gay parades (San Francisco) and Transvestites performing in elementary schools etc. I don't agree with indoctrination of the youth, they can make up their own mind when they mature. I also don't agree with puberty blockers and surgery on kids that are too young and immature to make those choices for themselves.

You're anti-LBGT by your own words.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think you highlighted your ignorance. You know how when I talk about nuclear weapons you think to yourself, “this guy doesn’t know shit”, that’s exactly what we think when you gave your reasons. Like my knowledge of military weapons, your knowledge of issues or the subjects dealing with LGBT, is based on ignorance and shitty media.

That’s not a dig at you it’s just pointing out the reality. Your opinions are yours and if you don’t care that they are based on ignorance, no one is going to stop you from being ignorant. Just know that when ignorant people talk about a subject that you happen to be very knowledgeable in, you look and sound exactly like them when discussing lgbt related subjects.

You're anti-LBGT by your own words.

Well Okay then...

 

[ivwshane]

Well Okay then...

It’s not okay but you won’t be changing because you aren’t interested in the truth or understanding your fellow humans. I don’t know if that’s because of your age or you’ve been jaded based on your own life’s experiences or you’ve always been like that but I hope I never get that way.

 

[GettyRoad]

Biden has a Black male problem----not a Gaza problem...

There's a possibility that Trump could carry NEW ORLEANS in the Fall.

 

[gothuevos]

Biden has a Black male problem----not a Gaza problem...

There's a possibility that Trump could carry NEW ORLEANS in the Fall.

What about Italian American men tho?

 

[GettyRoad]

What about Italian American men tho?

Italian American men lean Trump, especially in the Northeast (Pennsylvania, New Hampshire)

 

[dlerious]

What about Italian American men tho?

What about bicycles?

 

[Fenixgoon]

What about bicycles?

won't someone think of the unicyclists?!? they're a key demographic, and depending on your point of reference, they're either twice as valuable (a wheel:rider ratio of 1:1 vs 2:1), or half as valuable (rider:wheel ratio)

 

[ivwshane]

Sounds like trump has this election wrapped up! I guess we can stop worrying about it.

 

[gothuevos]

Sounds like trump has this election wrapped up! I guess we can stop worrying about it.

Wait until you hear about this guy, Biden, who's even LESS popular.

 

[MrSquished]

Italian American men lean Trump, especially in the Northeast (Pennsylvania, New Hampshire)

White men lean trump, period. Why do you think this is news. If it weren't for the white male vote, Republicans would lose every election. Your statements are just pointing out the very very obvious. We beat Trump even with the majority of white mean leaning trump.

THANK GOD FOR WOMEN AND MINORITIES!

 

[Indus]

White men lean trump, period. Why do you think this is news. If it weren't for the white male vote, Republicans would lose every election. Your statements are just pointing out the very very obvious. We beat Trump even with the majority of white mean leaning trump.

THANK GOD FOR WOMEN AND MINORITIES!

But shoes and 91 felony indictments..

 

[AMCRambler]

You’ve got two choices when we get to November. Until a third party brings forth a viable contender, this is what you get. Dems are screwed because Biden is the best they’ve got and they’ve rammed a lot of bullshit through in the last 4 years that haven’t helped their voters. And a lot of it has pissed the right off significantly. Policies that have only made things more expensive and their so called Inflation Reduction act hasn’t reversed inflation. It only slowed it down minutely and even that is questionable whether that omnibus bill was even responsible for it since they printed even more money to pay for it. More likely the mild winter driving fuel and energy demand down is what’s having the impact.

Sorry but I’m not voting Biden. He just wants to raise my taxes and give the money to the corporations building solar panels and EV’s. Electrification is doomed to fail if you do not invest in nuclear because you’re just going to increase demand but not supply. The folks that can’t afford the overpriced electric cars and solar have only seen their energy bills increase and the cost of their groceries double. The writing was on the wall but they held true to their ethics despite it killing them in the polls. Only now are they starting to pull back on it starting with relaxing the emissions/EV requirements and goals. It’s too late though. The die has been cast.

 

[Pens1566]

Cool story bro ...

 

[Indus]

You’ve got two choices when we get to November. Until a third party brings forth a viable contender, this is what you get. Dems are screwed because Biden is the best they’ve got and they’ve rammed a lot of bullshit through in the last 4 years that haven’t helped their voters. And a lot of it has pissed the right off significantly. Policies that have only made things more expensive and their so called Inflation Reduction act hasn’t reversed inflation. It only slowed it down minutely and even that is questionable whether that omnibus bill was even responsible for it since they printed even more money to pay for it. More likely the mild winter driving fuel and energy demand down is what’s having the impact.

Sorry but I’m not voting Biden. He just wants to raise my taxes and give the money to the corporations building solar panels and EV’s. Electrification is doomed to fail if you do not invest in nuclear because you’re just going to increase demand but not supply. The folks that can’t afford the overpriced electric cars and solar have only seen their energy bills increase and the cost of their groceries double. The writing was on the wall but they held true to their ethics despite it killing them in the polls. Only now are they starting to pull back on it starting with relaxing the emissions/EV requirements and goals. It’s too late though. The die has been cast.

As far as inflation goes.. there was always gonna be inflation if we cut off China as the main trading partner or raised/ placed Tariffs.

Guess who pays for Tariffs.. we do. The company importing has to pay more at the shipping port and passes the cost on to the customers!

So you're voting Trump. Okies.. no point arguing.

 

[IronWing]

You’ve got two choices when we get to November. Until a third party brings forth a viable contender, this is what you get. Dems are screwed because Biden is the best they’ve got and they’ve rammed a lot of bullshit through in the last 4 years that haven’t helped their voters. And a lot of it has pissed the right off significantly. Policies that have only made things more expensive and their so called Inflation Reduction act hasn’t reversed inflation. It only slowed it down minutely and even that is questionable whether that omnibus bill was even responsible for it since they printed even more money to pay for it. More likely the mild winter driving fuel and energy demand down is what’s having the impact.

Sorry but I’m not voting Biden. He just wants to raise my taxes and give the money to the corporations building solar panels and EV’s. Electrification is doomed to fail if you do not invest in nuclear because you’re just going to increase demand but not supply. The folks that can’t afford the overpriced electric cars and solar have only seen their energy bills increase and the cost of their groceries double. The writing was on the wall but they held true to their ethics despite it killing them in the polls. Only now are they starting to pull back on it starting with relaxing the emissions/EV requirements and goals. It’s too late though. The die has been cast.

How will not voting for Biden advance the causes you've said are important to you?

 

[Indus]

How will not voting for Biden advance the causes you've said are important to you?

We saw a lot of those in 2016.. hate Hillary just because..

Move on.. convince the ones that can be convinced. It's a game of numbers!

 

[ivwshane]

We saw a lot of those in 2016.. hate Hillary just because..

Move on.. convince the ones that can be convinced. It's a game of numbers!

You can’t convince the stupid who have been convinced to vote against their own best interests because they’ve bought into an alt reality. The poster above literally just posted debunked right wing talking points and couldn’t even bother to fact check at least one of them.

 

[VashHT]

How will not voting for Biden advance the causes you've said are important to you?

Yeah if Trump gets elected grocery prices definitely won't be halved, but Republicans will definitely stop whining about it just like the deficit.