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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Yeah if Trump gets elected grocery prices definitely won't be halved, but Republicans will definitely stop whining about it just like the deficit.

But taxes will somehow magically go down no with Dictator Trump waving his wand?

LOL
 
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AMCRambler

Diamond Member
Jan 23, 2001
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You can’t convince the stupid who have been convinced to vote against their own best interests because they’ve bought into an alt reality. The poster above literally just posted debunked right wing talking points and couldn’t even bother to fact check at least one of them.
I don’t need to fact check them. I work in the energy industry and I see what the regulations are doing to the cost of power. If you know how energy consumption works, you’d know that solar and wind are not a solution. You need base load generation to support them and that base load generation has to be equivalent to the peak loads the system sees or else you have to start turning off customers. So if we’ve got to build the plants to support max capacity anyway, why aren’t we building the cleanest, cheapest, most powerful base load plants aka nuclear? Batteries are not going to cut it. With the length of time it takes to get a nuclear plant sited and built, they should have started working on that 10 years ago. Now? It’s too late. Hydro? Can’t do it because the green beans worry about the ecosystem so much they’ll never allow it.

The feds are making all the wrong moves and it’s special interests driving it. They’re also doubling down on it by restricting the oil supply, taxing it more, killing pipelines, etc. Simple economics should tell them there needs to be a business case for switching to all electric that the consumer can justify. It needs to be cheaper or as cheap as the fossil alternatives. To date it’s not unless you can spend $60 grand on electrifying your home HVAC, installing PV and putting in a geothermal system if you live in a cold climate. The average American living paycheck to paycheck can’t afford this nonsense. Even the ones that can look at these complex geothermal systems and say to themselves, if this shit breaks it’s gonna be expensive to fix.

It’s a flawed policy at its core and it’s artificially inflating energy costs for the average consumer. I’ve laid my argument but I’m sure I’ll get “Hurr durr, GOP talking points, hurr durr.” Keep voting blue and see how bad it gets. There’s a reason people are fleeing California and NY and moving to Texas and Florida. It’s getting pretty toxic and unaffordable.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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I don’t need to fact check them. I work in the energy industry and I see what the regulations are doing to the cost of power. If you know how energy consumption works, you’d know that solar and wind are not a solution. You need base load generation to support them and that base load generation has to be equivalent to the peak loads the system sees or else you have to start turning off customers. So if we’ve got to build the plants to support max capacity anyway, why aren’t we building the cleanest, cheapest, most powerful base load plants aka nuclear? Batteries are not going to cut it. With the length of time it takes to get a nuclear plant sited and built, they should have started working on that 10 years ago. Now? It’s too late. Hydro? Can’t do it because the green beans worry about the ecosystem so much they’ll never allow it.

The feds are making all the wrong moves and it’s special interests driving it. They’re also doubling down on it by restricting the oil supply, taxing it more, killing pipelines, etc. Simple economics should tell them there needs to be a business case for switching to all electric that the consumer can justify. It needs to be cheaper or as cheap as the fossil alternatives. To date it’s not unless you can spend $60 grand on electrifying your home HVAC, installing PV and putting in a geothermal system if you live in a cold climate. The average American living paycheck to paycheck can’t afford this nonsense. Even the ones that can look at these complex geothermal systems and say to themselves, if this shit breaks it’s gonna be expensive to fix.

It’s a flawed policy at its core and it’s artificially inflating energy costs for the average consumer. I’ve laid my argument but I’m sure I’ll get “Hurr durr, GOP talking points, hurr durr.” Keep voting blue and see how bad it gets. There’s a reason people are fleeing California and NY and moving to Texas and Florida. It’s getting pretty toxic and unaffordable.

But 3 mile island and resulting fears!

But easier to just blame Biden.. LOL
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,640
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I don’t need to fact check them. I work in the energy industry and I see what the regulations are doing to the cost of power. If you know how energy consumption works, you’d know that solar and wind are not a solution. You need base load generation to support them and that base load generation has to be equivalent to the peak loads the system sees or else you have to start turning off customers. So if we’ve got to build the plants to support max capacity anyway, why aren’t we building the cleanest, cheapest, most powerful base load plants aka nuclear? Batteries are not going to cut it. With the length of time it takes to get a nuclear plant sited and built, they should have started working on that 10 years ago. Now? It’s too late. Hydro? Can’t do it because the green beans worry about the ecosystem so much they’ll never allow it.

The feds are making all the wrong moves and it’s special interests driving it. They’re also doubling down on it by restricting the oil supply, taxing it more, killing pipelines, etc. Simple economics should tell them there needs to be a business case for switching to all electric that the consumer can justify. It needs to be cheaper or as cheap as the fossil alternatives. To date it’s not unless you can spend $60 grand on electrifying your home HVAC, installing PV and putting in a geothermal system if you live in a cold climate. The average American living paycheck to paycheck can’t afford this nonsense. Even the ones that can look at these complex geothermal systems and say to themselves, if this shit breaks it’s gonna be expensive to fix.

It’s a flawed policy at its core and it’s artificially inflating energy costs for the average consumer. I’ve laid my argument but I’m sure I’ll get “Hurr durr, GOP talking points, hurr durr.” Keep voting blue and see how bad it gets. There’s a reason people are fleeing California and NY and moving to Texas and Florida. It’s getting pretty toxic and unaffordable.

Utilities are building renewables plus batteries because it's way cheaper and faster than new nuclear.

Nobody looking at Vogtle units 3 and 4 thinks they want some of that.

Congrats on an impressively incorrect post though.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
26,550
24,764
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I don’t need to fact check them. I work in the energy industry and I see what the regulations are doing to the cost of power. If you know how energy consumption works, you’d know that solar and wind are not a solution. You need base load generation to support them and that base load generation has to be equivalent to the peak loads the system sees or else you have to start turning off customers. So if we’ve got to build the plants to support max capacity anyway, why aren’t we building the cleanest, cheapest, most powerful base load plants aka nuclear? Batteries are not going to cut it. With the length of time it takes to get a nuclear plant sited and built, they should have started working on that 10 years ago. Now? It’s too late. Hydro? Can’t do it because the green beans worry about the ecosystem so much they’ll never allow it.

The feds are making all the wrong moves and it’s special interests driving it. They’re also doubling down on it by restricting the oil supply, taxing it more, killing pipelines, etc. Simple economics should tell them there needs to be a business case for switching to all electric that the consumer can justify. It needs to be cheaper or as cheap as the fossil alternatives. To date it’s not unless you can spend $60 grand on electrifying your home HVAC, installing PV and putting in a geothermal system if you live in a cold climate. The average American living paycheck to paycheck can’t afford this nonsense. Even the ones that can look at these complex geothermal systems and say to themselves, if this shit breaks it’s gonna be expensive to fix.

It’s a flawed policy at its core and it’s artificially inflating energy costs for the average consumer. I’ve laid my argument but I’m sure I’ll get “Hurr durr, GOP talking points, hurr durr.” Keep voting blue and see how bad it gets. There’s a reason people are fleeing California and NY and moving to Texas and Florida. It’s getting pretty toxic and unaffordable.
LOL, yes people move to Texas because they want reliable power.
 
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AMCRambler

Diamond Member
Jan 23, 2001
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Utilities are building renewables plus batteries because it's way cheaper and faster than new nuclear.

Nobody looking at Vogtle units 3 and 4 thinks they want some of that.

Congrats on an impressively incorrect post though.
Batteries are cheaper than nuclear? Wow! You do live in a fantasy land.
 
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K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,640
34,461
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It's really weird that @AMCRambler came into a thread about Gaza to whine about US electrical grid energy policy.

Renewable energy and efficient appliances are things that old people go crazy over for no reason because they are dumb.

For example my old man gets $600 electric bills for half the year in Arizona. I told him to put solar on his roof that he just had redone but he says no because it doesn't work.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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I don’t need to fact check them. I work in the energy industry and I see what the regulations are doing to the cost of power. If you know how energy consumption works, you’d know that solar and wind are not a solution. You need base load generation to support them and that base load generation has to be equivalent to the peak loads the system sees or else you have to start turning off customers. So if we’ve got to build the plants to support max capacity anyway, why aren’t we building the cleanest, cheapest, most powerful base load plants aka nuclear? Batteries are not going to cut it. With the length of time it takes to get a nuclear plant sited and built, they should have started working on that 10 years ago. Now? It’s too late. Hydro? Can’t do it because the green beans worry about the ecosystem so much they’ll never allow it.

The feds are making all the wrong moves and it’s special interests driving it. They’re also doubling down on it by restricting the oil supply, taxing it more, killing pipelines, etc. Simple economics should tell them there needs to be a business case for switching to all electric that the consumer can justify. It needs to be cheaper or as cheap as the fossil alternatives. To date it’s not unless you can spend $60 grand on electrifying your home HVAC, installing PV and putting in a geothermal system if you live in a cold climate. The average American living paycheck to paycheck can’t afford this nonsense. Even the ones that can look at these complex geothermal systems and say to themselves, if this shit breaks it’s gonna be expensive to fix.

It’s a flawed policy at its core and it’s artificially inflating energy costs for the average consumer. I’ve laid my argument but I’m sure I’ll get “Hurr durr, GOP talking points, hurr durr.” Keep voting blue and see how bad it gets. There’s a reason people are fleeing California and NY and moving to Texas and Florida. It’s getting pretty toxic and unaffordable.
FYI. I’ve personally helped keep 2-7 guys alive on nothing but solar/battery for over 2 decades.

Noted however that you are calling for more tax subsidies for oil/gas.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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You’ve got two choices when we get to November. Until a third party brings forth a viable contender, this is what you get. Dems are screwed because Biden is the best they’ve got and they’ve rammed a lot of bullshit through in the last 4 years that haven’t helped their voters. And a lot of it has pissed the right off significantly. Policies that have only made things more expensive and their so called Inflation Reduction act hasn’t reversed inflation. It only slowed it down minutely and even that is questionable whether that omnibus bill was even responsible for it since they printed even more money to pay for it. More likely the mild winter driving fuel and energy demand down is what’s having the impact.

Sorry but I’m not voting Biden. He just wants to raise my taxes and give the money to the corporations building solar panels and EV’s. Electrification is doomed to fail if you do not invest in nuclear because you’re just going to increase demand but not supply. The folks that can’t afford the overpriced electric cars and solar have only seen their energy bills increase and the cost of their groceries double. The writing was on the wall but they held true to their ethics despite it killing them in the polls. Only now are they starting to pull back on it starting with relaxing the emissions/EV requirements and goals. It’s too late though. The die has been cast.
Damn you must be a baller because Biden has said, multiple times, that he won't be raising taxes for anyone who makes under 400k/yr.

Good for you.
 
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JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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I'm not Anti-LGBT. I have no issues with any of them. I have issues with how some of them act out in public with the gay parades (San Francisco) and Transvestites performing in elementary schools etc. I don't agree with indoctrination of the youth, they can make up their own mind when they mature. I also don't agree with puberty blockers and surgery on kids that are too young and immature to make those choices for themselves.
This is why you get so much grief on this forum. I know you've posted this exact same nonsense in the past and people with real life experience detailed the steps that Transgender youth and their family have to take in order to get on puberty blockers, and all of the medical professionals that are involved in that decision. Then you disappear and come back a few months later like you never had that conversation.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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I don’t need to fact check them. I work in the energy industry and I see what the regulations are doing to the cost of power. If you know how energy consumption works, you’d know that solar and wind are not a solution. You need base load generation to support them and that base load generation has to be equivalent to the peak loads the system sees or else you have to start turning off customers. So if we’ve got to build the plants to support max capacity anyway, why aren’t we building the cleanest, cheapest, most powerful base load plants aka nuclear? Batteries are not going to cut it. With the length of time it takes to get a nuclear plant sited and built, they should have started working on that 10 years ago. Now? It’s too late. Hydro? Can’t do it because the green beans worry about the ecosystem so much they’ll never allow it.

The feds are making all the wrong moves and it’s special interests driving it. They’re also doubling down on it by restricting the oil supply, taxing it more, killing pipelines, etc. Simple economics should tell them there needs to be a business case for switching to all electric that the consumer can justify. It needs to be cheaper or as cheap as the fossil alternatives. To date it’s not unless you can spend $60 grand on electrifying your home HVAC, installing PV and putting in a geothermal system if you live in a cold climate. The average American living paycheck to paycheck can’t afford this nonsense. Even the ones that can look at these complex geothermal systems and say to themselves, if this shit breaks it’s gonna be expensive to fix.

It’s a flawed policy at its core and it’s artificially inflating energy costs for the average consumer. I’ve laid my argument but I’m sure I’ll get “Hurr durr, GOP talking points, hurr durr.” Keep voting blue and see how bad it gets. There’s a reason people are fleeing California and NY and moving to Texas and Florida. It’s getting pretty toxic and unaffordable.
Oh and as a Texan, I’ve had to spend $10K on installing a whole home generator to make sure my family doesn’t freeze or over heat during the next multi-day power outage thanks to the low regulatory environment you’ve been touting.

I’ve also spent $$$ on a decent contingency water filtration system because during long power outages the water becomes contaminated.

It’s like a 3rd world country here infrastructure wise. But hey for my tax dollars they work hard on drowning immigrants and restricted healthcare from women and children.
 

APU_Fusion

Senior member
Dec 16, 2013
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This is why you get so much grief on this forum. I know you've posted this exact same nonsense in the past and people with real life experience detailed the steps that Transgender youth and their family have to take in order to get on puberty blockers, and all of the medical professionals that are involved in that decision. Then you disappear and come back a few months later like you never had that conversation.
Pcgeek is brainwashed and likes sticking his nose into other family decisions. Why is he involved in parental care of their children? Because he is hypocrite who believes in small government when it is convenient. How about keeping your ignorant, science free, misygonistic, both-sidism ass out of the personal lives of other people you pathetic old MAGAT. You are literally brainwashed Fox News watching fool. You have no idea what those families go through and blindly swallow Fox News lies. I bet you believe Hilary Clinton drinks the blood of babies in pizza parlor basement.

you are disgusting troll.
 
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AMCRambler

Diamond Member
Jan 23, 2001
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New nuclear? Yes.
Nope. Largest battery in the US produces 1,400mwh of power and cost $550 million. The new nukes mentioned above cost $30 billion but produce 17,200,000 mwh of power. Battery can’t touch nuclear. Not by a long shot.

We need more prime movers and less sunshine and unicorn farts powering our grid. Stop believing the propaganda the green lobby and the media is feeding you.

Sources:

 
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AMCRambler

Diamond Member
Jan 23, 2001
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Oh and as a Texan, I’ve had to spend $10K on installing a whole home generator to make sure my family doesn’t freeze or over heat during the next multi-day power outage thanks to the low regulatory environment you’ve been touting.

I’ve also spent $$$ on a decent contingency water filtration system because during long power outages the water becomes contaminated.

It’s like a 3rd world country here infrastructure wise. But hey for my tax dollars they work hard on drowning immigrants and restricted healthcare from women and children.
Bro, you don’t need a whole home generator with automatic transfer capability. A little 5,000 watt kicker with a transfer switch would run your furnace and fridge just fine. Besides global warming is fixing that as we speak if the climate change scientists are accurate. Milder winters, hotter summers. Frozen gas regulator stations and injection plants will cease to be a problem.
 
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APU_Fusion

Senior member
Dec 16, 2013
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Nope. Largest battery in the US produces 1,400mwh of power and cost $550 million. The new nukes mentioned above cost $30 billion but produce 17,200,000 mwh of power. Battery can’t touch nuclear. Not by a long shot.

We need more prime movers and less sunshine and unicorn farts powering our grid. Stop believing the propaganda the green lobby and the media is feeding you.

Sources:

Ah yes, the old media is lying to you schitck. Keeping sucking on that fox news cock my wonderful troll.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Bro, you don’t need a whole home generator with automatic transfer capability. A little 5,000 watt kicker with a transfer switch would run your furnace and fridge just fine. Besides global warming is fixing that as we speak if the climate change scientists are accurate. Milder winters, hotter summers. Frozen gas regulator stations and injection plants will cease to be a problem.
I award one for this post.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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34,461
136
Nope. Largest battery in the US produces 1,400mwh of power and cost $550 million. The new nukes mentioned above cost $30 billion but produce 17,200,000 mwh of power. Battery can’t touch nuclear. Not by a long shot.

We need more prime movers and less sunshine and unicorn farts powering our grid. Stop believing the propaganda the green lobby and the media is feeding you.

Sources:


Total cost is north of $30B and it's taken 17 years and one primary contractor bankruptcy to get them going. It's a massive debacle that no other US utility is interested in going through.

Utilities are investing in renewables and batteries because it's gotten cheap and is getting cheaper and can be brought online in a fraction of the time.
 

APU_Fusion

Senior member
Dec 16, 2013
922
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Bro, you don’t need a whole home generator with automatic transfer capability. A little 5,000 watt kicker with a transfer switch would run your furnace and fridge just fine. Besides global warming is fixing that as we speak if the climate change scientists are accurate. Milder winters, hotter summers. Frozen gas regulator stations and injection plants will cease to be a problem.
Dear Jesus you are ignorant. You think global warming is about milder winters and hotter summers? Jesus Christ you are definitely uneducated Fox News MAGAT. Go get an education about the impacts of global warming outside of your Fox News delusions.
 
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