Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

[Amol S.]

Not saying the chicken little people are even remotely correct. But Biden does have more to worry about than the orange monkey. While these Haley voters say they are fed up with the orange monkey, they’ll fall in line and choose party over country in November. Unfortunately history in 2016 has already shown, Dems and Ind will stay home instead of choosing neither candidate they hate.

To be honest...... there are people who do not even go to vote in a primary. So the [primary results may not be always that reflective.

 

[Amol S.]

I can not imagine how the presidential debate will be. With JFK Jr. around the 10%-20% range, there is a chance he might end up getting invited to the official presidential debate. Imagine seeing 2 out of the three conspiracy theory acceptors battling each other. To be honest, the only base Trump has any fear to loose to JFK Jr. would be the anti-vax base. Then there will be Biden standing on stage getting annoyed by the quarreling between Trump and the person who has no chance of winning.

 

[Indus]

I can not imagine how the presidential debate will be. With JFK Jr. around the 10%-20% range, there is a chance he might end up getting invited to the official presidential debate. Imagine seeing 2 out of the three conspiracy theory acceptors battling each other. To be honest, the only base Trump has any fear to loose to JFK Jr. would be the anti-vax base. Then there will be Biden standing on stage getting annoyed by the quarreling between Trump and the person who has no chance of winning.

There won't be any debates!

Biden hurts himself by choosing to have one with Trump.

 

[eelw]

To be honest...... there are people who do not even go to vote in a primary. So the [primary results may not be always that reflective.

For sure, die hards vote in the primary. It’s not about the margin here. It’s how 10,000 votes will be the difference in these swing states in November.

As to the talk about media creating something out of nothing, the final annual physical Biden had today. In the press pool today. Reporter asked did the doctors perform a cognitive test?

 

[K1052]

There won't be any debates!

Biden hurts himself by choosing to have one with Trump.

The RNC withdrew from the only org that Biden would or should participate in debates via: the CPD.

No real conversation to be had unless or until they reverse that decision.

 

[raildogg]

Not voting for Biden is good because he is helping Israel commit genocide but voting for Trump is not the answer because he will be very hawkish on Iran, as well as giving Israel everything they want. So there is not much choice here.

American establishment too close to Israel.

 

[K1052]

Not voting for Biden is good because he is helping Israeli commit genocide but voting for Trump is not the answer because he will be very hawkish on Iran, as well as giving Israel everything they want. So there is not much choice here.

American establishment too close to Israel.

The Israeli right and Trump are two peas in a pod and anybody who doesn't think a 2nd Trump administration won't be tangibly worse for all Palestinians is delusional.

 

[raildogg]

The Israeli right and Trump are two peas in a pod and anybody who doesn't think a 2nd Trump administration won't be tangibly worse for all Palestinians is delusional.

This is very true, but the thing is that there is no meaningful left in Israel - it is right, very right and extreme right. So when we say Israel, it's just extreme right wing at this point. That's who run Israel and make their policies. Even the people are very extreme now and many are blocking aid trucks trying to go in to Gaza.

Biden has enabled Israel to do the genocide, Trump will add more fuel to it. Not a huge difference but it shows you that Trump is not the answer.

 

[dank69]

This is very true, but the thing is that there is no meaningful left in Israel - it is right, very right and extreme right. So when we say Israel, it's just extreme right wing at this point. That's who run Israel and make their policies. Even the people are very extreme now and many are blocking aid trucks trying to go in to Gaza.

Biden has enabled Israel to do the genocide, Trump will add more fuel to it. Not a huge difference but it shows you that Trump is not the answer.

Any Republican president would be worse for Palestine.

 

[Pens1566]

Any Republican president would be worse for Palestine.

Yeah, just need to remind them where the last one moved the embassy.

 

[raildogg]

Any Republican president would be worse for Palestine.

You are very right, they are terrible but I don't see too much difference in the Democrat party, though I am not an expert here. I see Rashida Tliab was censured because she repeated a chant so that shows you the level of bias in American politics. This guy Andy Ogles said to basically kill all Palestinians but I hear of no punishment against him. Very biased system that seems to not respect lives of certain people. Some peoples get a certain level of treatment while others are dehumanized.

And that chant "River to the sea"

Well, Netanyahu used that in a speech not long ago and there was no protest against him. But Rashida Tlaib cannot say it though.

 

[eelw]

You are very right, they are terrible but I don't see too much difference in the Democrat party, though I am not an expert here. I see Rashida Tliab was censured because she repeated a chant so that shows you the level of bias in American politics. This guy Andy Ogles said to basically kill all Palestinians but I hear of no punishment against him. Very biased system that seems to not respect lives of certain people. Some peoples get a certain level of treatment while others are dehumanized.

And that chant "River to the sea"

Well, Netanyahu used that in a speech not long ago and there was no protest against him. But Rashida Tlaib cannot say it though.

Well let’s say the UK had to bomb Ireland terrorist. Obviously inhuman act by Britain but the US is supposed to ignore partnership between long term allies?

But one part of the American Palestinian’s demands, stop providing weapons to Israel makes sense. Like why should various first world nations aid packages to them include weapons? This isn’t Ukraine.

 

[raildogg]

Well let’s say the UK had to bomb Ireland terrorist. Obviously inhuman act by Britain but the US is supposed to ignore partnership between long term allies?

But one part of the American Palestinian’s demands, stop providing weapons to Israel makes sense. Like why should various first world nations aid packages to them include weapons? This isn’t Ukraine.

The problem with the US situation with Israel is that Israel is a heavily dependent country. It needs to import basically everything, including weapons for the most part. This means that unless Israel is fighting Egypt, the hundreds of billions of weapons to that country are primarily used against Palestinians, people who mostly live under Israeli occupation and in a open air concentration camp. And maybe hundreds of billions does not sound much to you but if we look at the population of Israel - 9 million - that might be the most aid in the history of the world in terms of per person aid. That means the US essentially is a partner of Israel, not just an ally. So this means that the US has so much leverage over Israel if it wanted to use it but because of the power of the Israeli groups in America, that power cannot be used.

 

[cytg111]

Well there was a no confidence movement that actually got some traction, numbers big enough to get power coupons.

 

[MrSquished]

Well let’s say the UK had to bomb Ireland terrorist. Obviously inhuman act by Britain but the US is supposed to ignore partnership between long term allies?

But one part of the American Palestinian’s demands, stop providing weapons to Israel makes sense. Like why should various first world nations aid packages to them include weapons? This isn’t Ukraine

Oh just that one part? Just that we give them money?

Nevermind the indiscriminate killing of tens of thousands of civilians, and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians off the map, no matter who is paying for the weapons. Man you are a sick puppy. You keep saying this insane horrific shit in this thread basically turning an entire ethnic culture as just annoying expendable beings because your party might be criticized for how they are handling it, and that is annoying to you in an election year. To you these are pesky Palestinians, getting in the way of Israeli bombs and gunfire. An election year nuisance.

God forbid we criticize American foreign policy under Biden because we think it might hurt him in the general. You've become like MAGA in that way. Obviously Dems are not nearly as bad as MAGA, that's not what I'm saying, but your cavalier attitude, and select others here, about what is happening in Palestine, is MAGA level despicable. About this topic.

Imagine being part of a party where you dehumanize a whole society to deflect criticism of said party for the sake of what your perceive is an obstacle to power for them. There's a name for that. Oh, a cult.

 

[gothuevos]

This is fine.

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey

Former President Trump is pulling more support than President Biden in at least seven swing states that are likely going to determine the election, a survey released this week found. The Bloomberg …

thehill.com

 

[fskimospy]

This is fine.

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey

Former President Trump is pulling more support than President Biden in at least seven swing states that are likely going to determine the election, a survey released this week found. The Bloomberg …

thehill.com

We need a diaper refill in aisle 5!

 

[Pens1566]

This is fine.

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey

Former President Trump is pulling more support than President Biden in at least seven swing states that are likely going to determine the election, a survey released this week found. The Bloomberg …

thehill.com

Holy shit!!!

Wait until former President Jeb Bush hears about this one.

 

[APU_Fusion]

This is fine.

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey

Former President Trump is pulling more support than President Biden in at least seven swing states that are likely going to determine the election, a survey released this week found. The Bloomberg …

thehill.com

Jesus. Are you on suicide watch yet? I have seen other polls showing Biden ahead it is meaningless noise

 

[Indus]

This is fine.

Trump leading Biden in 7 swing states: Survey

Former President Trump is pulling more support than President Biden in at least seven swing states that are likely going to determine the election, a survey released this week found. The Bloomberg …

thehill.com

Uncommitted 2024!

 

[gothuevos]

We need a diaper refill in aisle 5!

And you need better jokes by now.

 

[Roger Wilco]

And you need better jokes by now.

Why are you confusing jokes with medical advice?

 

[fskimospy]

And you need better jokes by now.

If you have a problem with people saying the same thing over and over - change starts at home!

 

[Indus]

And you need better jokes by now.

There's always this classic:

 

[nakedfrog]

That reminds me I actually got called (on my cell phone) for one of these polls recently, but it was right before a meeting so I couldn't participate.