Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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[DHT]Osiris

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CNN, ABC!

I looked at Peter Jennings on ABC every evening back then.
Eid al-Adha was held during the period (multi-day affair) of 9/11 in 2001. People were celebrating their holiday. Nobody was celebrating the towers, except the terrorists who committed the act.

Use your brain, why would random podunk goat herders know or give a fuck about someone they didn't know flying a magical space machines into glass and steel towers on the other side of the planet.
 

gothuevos

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A non vote is still a vote for the orange monkey. And if one really wants Biden to make a change, he needs an actual majority in congress.

Not necessarily, depending on the state you live in.
 
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gothuevos

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Gonna be real awkward for some voters in Michigan when Trump allows Israel to do whatever they want in Gaza, and then when these same voters turn out to protest, Trump unleashes the Insurrection Act to crush them.

Some people seem to only want to learn the hard way.
 
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Been avoiding this thread simply because I feel there are legitimate wrongs performed by Palestine & Israel.
For this round I am not choosing a side.

I heard an interview last night with a guy (apologies I forgot his name) from a Muslim voter block. When asked when the election comes will you vote Republican?
His answer was essentially:
I will never vote republican (with a bunch of Israel stuff), this came after a long explanation as to what Democrats are doing wrong.
Point being he will NEVER vote Republican, that leaves him with one choice. There is no reason to go out of your way to attempt to satisfy someone who cannot be satisfied, especially if it requires you to alienate even more voters.
Guy getting interviewed appeared to be smart, appeared to be knowledgeable and he offered NO solutions to the current problem. His time would be better spent working out a solution as opposed to complaining about what little is being done.
 

JTsyo

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So with Niki Haley dropping out looks like we're set for the Biden/Trump rematch. I have a hard time believing the polls but they do seem consistently in favor of Trump.
 

Indus

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Eid al-Adha was held during the period (multi-day affair) of 9/11 in 2001. People were celebrating their holiday. Nobody was celebrating the towers, except the terrorists who committed the act.

Use your brain, why would random podunk goat herders know or give a fuck about someone they didn't know flying a magical space machines into glass and steel towers on the other side of the planet.

Actually you should use your brain.

I've actually been around the world..

There's a reason Greeks don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Chinese don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Vietnam don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Pilipinas don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Thailand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason India don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Burma don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Singapore don't like Muslims
There's a reason Australia don't like Muslims.
There's a reason New Zealand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Laos don't like Muslims.
There's a reason LGBT don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Buddhists don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Parsies don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Zoroastrians don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Sindhi don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Punjabis don't like Muslims.
Heck even Russkies don't like Muslims.

Are 4 billion people more bigoted than us self righteous American progressives? Or maybe it could it be due to them killing other faiths and beliefs?
 
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fskimospy

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Actually you should use your brain.

I've actually been around the world..

There's a reason Greeks don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Chinese don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Vietnam don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Pilipinas don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Thailand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason India don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Burma don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Singapore don't like Muslims
There's a reason Australia don't like Muslims.
There's a reason New Zealand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Laos don't like Muslims.
There's a reason LGBT don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Buddhists don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Parsies don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Zoroastrians don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Sindhi don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Punjabis don't like Muslims.
Heck even Russkies don't like Muslims.

Are 4 billion people more bigoted than us self righteous American progressives? Or maybe it could it be due to them killing other faiths and beliefs?
Have you considered your various anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim views come from living in a very sheltered and bigoted place within NYC?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Actually you should use your brain.

I've actually been around the world..

There's a reason Greeks don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Chinese don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Vietnam don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Pilipinas don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Thailand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason India don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Burma don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Singapore don't like Muslims
There's a reason Australia don't like Muslims.
There's a reason New Zealand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Laos don't like Muslims.
There's a reason LGBT don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Buddhists don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Parsies don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Zoroastrians don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Sindhi don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Punjabis don't like Muslims.
Heck even Russkies don't like Muslims.

Are 4 billion people more bigoted than us self righteous American progressives? Or maybe it could it be due to them killing other faiths and beliefs?
Now you're being racist.

Don't get upset just because the facts don't fit your narrative.
 

Indus

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Now you're being racist.

Don't get upset just because the facts don't fit your narrative.

Nice try with ALTERNATIVE FACTS.

You're basically dismissing reality because it doesn't fit your vision.

Go outside your cubby hole and live outside the US like I did for 8 years and ask people how they really feel.

You'll see your alternative facts melt into oblivion! The US is what 3% of the world's population?? Your so called facts are nothing when the 97% gets involved!
 

Indus

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Well to be fair the people of Howard Beach probably REALLY hate Muslims.

Go to Athens, Greece on a holiday.. ask them how they feel about Howard Beach and how they feel about Muslims.

You'll get an earful on 1 subject and they won't even know the other!
 

fskimospy

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Go to Athens, Greece on a holiday.. ask them how they feel about Howard Beach and how they feel about Muslims.

You'll get an earful on 1 subject and they won't even know the other!
Why would people in Greece know about a small NYC neighborhood?
 

brycejones

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Nice try with ALTERNATIVE FACTS.

You're basically dismissing reality because it doesn't fit your vision.

Go outside your cubby hole and live outside the US like I did for 8 years and ask people how they really feel.

You'll see your alternative facts melt into oblivion! The US is what 3% of the world's population?? Your so called facts are nothing when the 97% gets involved!
Expects everyone to accept who they are. Stereotypes an entire religion.

I thought Indus was better than this but the last 3 years say otherwise.
 

Indus

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Why would people in Greece know about a small NYC neighborhood?

But they know a lot more about their Muslim neighbors.

All those countries I listed.. and Greece in particular.. they have a history of being exterminated by Muslims for their faith and beliefs. That isn't so easy to just erase in the name of being "progressive".

They'll just dismiss you calling them racist and it will basically come down to.. my parents and grandparents provided for me, cared for me, what have the Muslims ever done to my family? Tried to kill us? I won't miss them if they're exterminated.

And a lot more people think like that than you would like to believe.. if you travel outside of the US you will know that but only about 17% of the US even has a passport. We're very insulated from the world's problems since we have an ocean on both sides. Doesn't really affect us till they start saying they'll withhold their vote from Biden.

@MrSquished is right.. most of us here are Vulcans! We want our inner peace to live long and prosper! (all while ignoring the outside world and their way of life)
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Nice try with ALTERNATIVE FACTS.

You're basically dismissing reality because it doesn't fit your vision.

Go outside your cubby hole and live outside the US like I did for 8 years and ask people how they really feel.

You'll see your alternative facts melt into oblivion! The US is what 3% of the world's population?? Your so called facts are nothing when the 97% gets involved!
I've lived outside the US numbnuts. None of the above drivel changes the fact that nobody was dancing on the news because the towers fell. Now you won't ever believe that because you're racist but that doesn't make it less true.
 

repoman0

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Actually you should use your brain.

I've actually been around the world..

There's a reason Greeks don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Chinese don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Vietnam don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Pilipinas don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Thailand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason India don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Burma don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Singapore don't like Muslims
There's a reason Australia don't like Muslims.
There's a reason New Zealand don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Laos don't like Muslims.
There's a reason LGBT don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Buddhists don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Parsies don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Zoroastrians don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Jains don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Sindhi don't like Muslims.
There's a reason Punjabis don't like Muslims.
Heck even Russkies don't like Muslims.

Are 4 billion people more bigoted than us self righteous American progressives? Or maybe it could it be due to them killing other faiths and beliefs?
There are probably 4 billion people in the world who don’t like trans people too.
 
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fskimospy

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But they know a lot more about their Muslim neighbors.

All those countries I listed.. and Greece in particular.. they have a history of being exterminated by Muslims for their faith and beliefs. That isn't so easy to just erase in the name of being "progressive".
So what? I used to live right by Little Bangladesh in Brooklyn for years and knew lots of Muslims. They were just fine. In fact, they were a lot better neighbors than the Ultra Orthodox.
They'll just dismiss you calling them racist and it will basically come down to.. my parents and grandparents provided for me, cared for me, what have the Muslims ever done to my family? Tried to kill us? I won't miss them if they're exterminated.

And a lot more people think like that than you would like to believe.. if you travel outside of the US you will know that but only about 17% of the US even has a passport. We're very insulated from the world's problems since we have an ocean on both sides. Doesn't really affect us till they start saying they'll withhold their vote from Biden.
I've visited over 30 countries and every continent except Antarctica. Please though, tell me more about travelling outside the US.
 

Indus

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Woosh. Come on bro. People hate people for dumb things. You are hating people for dumb reasons while complaining that they hate you for dumb reasons.

When your ancestors have been massacred for their beliefs.. I think they'll call you dumb for "not understanding".

Progressive visions and equality seem dumb in comparison.

Even today in Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro.. they won't hire Muslims unless they are Muslims themselves. And that's civilized Europe FFS.

I'm all for progressive beliefs but it's like mission impossible to get someone to erase their family suffering trauma!
 

fskimospy

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When your ancestors have been massacred for their beliefs.. I think they'll call you dumb for "not understanding".

Progressive visions and equality seem dumb in comparison.

Even today in Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro.. they won't hire Muslims unless they are Muslims themselves. And that's civilized Europe FFS.

I'm all for progressive beliefs but it's like mission impossible to get someone to erase their family suffering trauma!
Plenty of people massacred by Christians for their beliefs yet I don't see similar sentiments. Germans have a lot more to be angry at Catholics about than the countries you mentioned, after all.
 

Indus

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Plenty of people massacred by Christians for their beliefs yet I don't see similar sentiments. Germans have a lot more to be angry at Catholics about than the countries you mentioned, after all.

Excuse me?

Have you willfully ignored about 24,000 Christian Sharia being evil threads in here just like @pcgeek11 does??
 

fskimospy

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Excuse me?

Have you willfully ignored about 24,000 Christian Sharia being evil threads in here just like @pcgeek11 does??
Those threads are generally about Christians doing bad things NOW, which seems like a perfectly good reason to dislike them.

You're saying that historical wrongs justify anti-Muslim bigotry so my question to you is why far more significant historical wrongs aren't used justify anti-Christian bigotry in places like Germany, where wars with Catholics killed as much as 50% of the population.
 
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Even today in Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro.. they won't hire Muslims unless they are Muslims themselves. And that's civilized Europe FFS.
You're just being a racist asshat. Congratulations.

People in Serbia are not wanting to hire Muslims is not for the reason you claim. It's probably more like they don't like them and are upset that they couldn't complete their ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 90s.
 
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Indus

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Those threads are generally about Christians doing bad things NOW, which seems like a perfectly good reason to dislike them.

You're saying that historical wrongs justify anti-Muslim bigotry so my question to you is why far more significant historical wrongs aren't used justify anti-Christian bigotry in places like Germany, where wars with Catholics killed as much as 50% of the population.

Negative. I'm saying I would be totally justified in not trusting any Christian fascist after the things they've done.. burning people at the stake!
 
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