Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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[DHT]Osiris

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They need to pick a few effective things and just pound it.

I think the classified documents + general security threat, should be very high on that list.
Then abortion/judges.
Then Economy/taking away healthcare/doing nothing for middle class.

Everyone knows he is an asshole, attacking his character isn't going to change a single mind.
And focus on the things his administration has been doing that Republicans want to take away. Attack the whole platform, not just Trump.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
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Trump is, has said, and has done a lot of things people don't actually like and using a billion dollars in ads to remind them of that I think is going to be at least somewhat effective.
Maybe on specific policy stuff. Playing ads about how he made fun of the disabled reporter will change zero minds. If there is a good clip of him being very specifically racist/sexist maybe, or very anti-union.

All Trump voters know he is an asshole and either don't care, or like that he is an asshole to the people they don't like.
 
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fskimospy

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Maybe on specific policy stuff. Playing ads about how he made fun of the disabled reporter will change zero minds. If there is a good clip of him being very specifically racist/sexist maybe, or very anti-union.

All Trump voters know he is an asshole and either don't care, or like that he is an asshole to the people they don't like.
I agree - 'Trump is an asshole' is baked in.

As you mentioned though there are a lot of things about Trump that people will dislike further. It's surprising what percentage of voters don't seem to be aware of Trump's various criminal proceedings and his culpability for ending abortion rights.
 
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K1052

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Maybe on specific policy stuff. Playing ads about how he made fun of the disabled reporter will change zero minds. If there is a good clip of him being very specifically racist/sexist maybe, or very anti-union.

All Trump voters know he is an asshole and either don't care, or like that he is an asshole to the people they don't like.

I think most of the character stuff is probably fairly well down the list of stuff they'll go after him for because his shittyness also shines through on the policy front.

Saying right into the cameras that he banned abortion repeatedly is certainly going to appear.
 

Indus

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Maybe on specific policy stuff. Playing ads about how he made fun of the disabled reporter will change zero minds. If there is a good clip of him being very specifically racist/sexist maybe, or very anti-union.

All Trump voters know he is an asshole and either don't care, or like that he is an asshole to the people they don't like.

Not hard to imagine why.. Very easy to be reactionary and say I'll vote Trump in response to being called a bunch of names over here. (like many posters over here)

Lots of people just want backlash and revenge no matter what the cost! And facts don't matter to them.. it's just walls of text they'll never read!
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I think most of the character stuff is probably fairly well down the list of stuff they'll go after him for because his shittyness also shines through on the policy front.

Saying right into the cameras that he banned abortion repeatedly is certainly going to appear.
I think drilling down on his anti-military-members would be a good place too. That hasn't been hit hard enough imo and our military is one of the few things that's pretty radioactive to criticize, at least if you're a liberal.
 
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eelw

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Phillips dropping out.
But sadly RFK Jr still chugging along. And any word from no labels if they still plan to run someone after Manchin stating he won’t attempt to run? And haven’t see anything from Cornell West recently.
 

K1052

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But sadly RFK Jr still chugging along. And any word from no labels if they still plan to run someone after Manchin stating he won’t attempt to run? And haven’t see anything from Cornell West recently.

No Labels is a disaster and is unlikely to mount a presidential campaign due to they can't find anybody to run and signature deadlines coming up.
 

hal2kilo

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No Labels is a disaster and is unlikely to mount a presidential campaign due to they can't find anybody to run and signature deadlines coming up.
Plus they claim that they won't run anyone if it will cause Trump to be elected. It's just obvious as the margins are paper thin that they should just shut the effort down.
 

fskimospy

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But sadly RFK Jr still chugging along. And any word from no labels if they still plan to run someone after Manchin stating he won’t attempt to run? And haven’t see anything from Cornell West recently.
I'm not sure if RFK staying in is a bad thing. I think I've seen polling showing he takes more voters from Trump than Biden, which makes sense given his status as an anti-vaxx crank.
 

Indus

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No Labels is a disaster and is unlikely to mount a presidential campaign due to they can't find anybody to run and signature deadlines coming up.

No Labels was a disaster when it was founded. There's no room inbetween Center Right Dems and Far Right GQP.

Now if they wanted to court someone from the left, they'd have a real chance but we can't have nice things paid for by billionaires!
 
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No Labels was a disaster when it was founded. There's no room inbetween Center Right Dems and Far Right GQP.

Now if they wanted to court someone from the left, they'd have a real chance but we can't have nice things paid for by billionaires!
Are the center-right Democrats in the room with you right now?

It's clear that Democrats as a whole have become more progressive (ie, moved left) since the Obama years, so not sure why people are obsessed with making this "center-right" claim.
 

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My instincts are telling me that misinformed, frightened white people are the greater threat to North American democracy in the immediate future.
White people don't see what the benefits of diversity and multiculturalism is to their daily lives when they hear stuff about "whiteness" and "privilege" every day.

How is that supposed to benefit them in any constructive way?
 

Indus

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Are the center-right Democrats in the room with you right now?

It's clear that Democrats as a whole have become more progressive (ie, moved left) since the Obama years, so not sure why people are obsessed with making this "center-right" claim.

Overton Window.

Universal Paid Healthcare - Technically it should be a pretty common sense center position, but we're not even there and it seems we've given up on it.. so we've moved Center-Right at the very least.

And I'm not stupid enough to just start believing Fox which labels Bernie/ AOC as the most extreme far left communist!
 
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