Discussion 2024 USA Election Thread: Biden and Dems might have problems in 2024 swing states - The Gaza Issue

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Leeea

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That's a war crime.
absolutely, but are you sure who is committing the war crime here?

Nobody sees who fires the bullets.


You think I am jaded? You think Hamas would not kill Palestinians to make Israel look bad? You think Likud would not kill Israelis to make Palestinians to look bad?

All is justified in the name of <insert name of diety/struggle/cause here>.
 
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MrSquished

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absolutely, but are you sure who is committing the war crime here?

Nobody sees who fires the bullets.


You think I am jaded? You think Hamas would not kill Palestinians to make Israel look bad? You think Likud would not kill Israelis to make Palestinians to look bad?

All is justified in the name of <insert name of diety/struggle/cause here>.

Israel is known for taking out civilians to people that read actual real news. Over the last two decades they have murdered thousands of Palestinian civilians, and injured many more. Often with snipers. If you pay attention to what Israel actually does, they have target practice with civilians, sometimes going for a knee, etc...
 
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K1052

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Dumb and dumber:


Eh these voters are between hard to impossible to turn out in the first place and have been trending conservative in recent elections because Muslims tend to be conservative. The idea that they'd vote for somebody who would see them all rounded up and shipped abroad (at best) if he got the power to do it is certainly something.
 

MrSquished

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Eh these voters are between hard to impossible to turn out in the first place and have been trending conservative in recent elections because Muslims tend to be conservative. The idea that they'd vote for somebody who would see them all rounded up and shipped abroad (at best) if he got the power to do it is certainly something.

uhhh that population segment elected Rashida Tlaib. They are not conservative. I mean the genocide has been televised. I mean people can be primarily a one issue voter, and I think for some people genocide just might be strong enough.

People vote against their general self-interests all the time, this should not certainly be something. And they don't have to vote for Trump in this case, they just have to not support that really insane thing by simply not voting Biden.
 

K1052

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uhhh that population segment elected Rashida Tlaib. They are not conservative. I mean the genocide has been televised. I mean people can be primarily a one issue voter, and I think for some people genocide just might be strong enough.

People vote against their general self-interests all the time, this should not certainly be something. And they don't have to vote for Trump in this case, they just have to not support that really insane thing by simply not voting Biden.

Tlaib who is easily the biggest and most vocal critic of Israel in the entire congress? Yeah not a huge mystery.

Well they can congratulate themselves on that principled stand of not voting when Trump cancels their family members visas for posting ant-Israel stuff on Facebook or whatever.
 

dank69

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Good, nuanced take here on how Biden loses to Trump solely on the immigration issue.

This is why some of us have been sorely disappointed with the Dems the last 8 years - despite everything Trump and the GOP have done, Dems still can't find a way to solidly out message them. Burying their heads in the sand on this issue, for example, will prove to be costly.

I have said this multiple times but I'll say it again because some of you still don't get it:

Democrats will never be able to come close to "messaging" as well as Republicans because Democrats don't have literal armies of brain dead dittoheads absolutely whipped into frothy rages on a daily basis to the point that they can't help shoehorning their misinformation into every single conversation they have, no matter how irrelevant.
 
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MrSquished

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Tlaib who is easily the biggest and most vocal critic of Israel in the entire congress? Yeah not a huge mystery.

Well they can congratulate themselves on that principled stand of not voting when Trump cancels their family members visas for posting ant-Israel stuff on Facebook or whatever.

You do know she's actually very progressive on all issues right?

I find it sad that people are dismissing the concerns of Arab Americans of the US supporting a fucking genocide as like oh just fucking deal with it. It's pretty ridiculous. It's literally spitting in their face and saying we'll take you for granted fuck little things like genocide and apartheid state oppression. You silly people.

Sure I think they should vote for Biden over Trump duh but when liberals are this dismissive over such a serious issue I mean that's just nasty
 
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K1052

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You do know she's actually very progressive on all issues right?

I find it sad that people are dismissing the concerns of Arab Americans of the US supporting a fucking genocide as like oh just fucking deal with it. It's pretty ridiculous. It's literally spitting in their face and saying we'll take you for granted fuck little things like genocide and apartheid state oppression. You silly people.

Sure I think they should vote for Biden over Trump duh but when liberals are this dismissive over such a serious issue I mean that's just nasty

Do I think her district would go R suddenly if she wasn't on the ballot? No. I said trending not is on the verge of being flipped. Her background confers major advantages with voters of Arab descent and her stance on Israel multiples them. Depending on who you want to believe Trump did between 5-10% better with Arab voters from 2016 to 2020 and this is a guy who had a literal "muslim ban" he tried to implement.

I'm not dismissive of their concerns. I personally think Biden should cut off the weapons supply to Israel until a new government is formed who will wind down the war and implement an actual 2 state solution. Bibi should be shipped to The Hague where he can room with the Hamas leadership who's presently living it up in Qatar.
 

MrSquished

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Do I think her district would go R suddenly if she wasn't on the ballot? No. I said trending not is on the verge of being flipped. Her background confers major advantages with voters of Arab descent and her stance on Israel multiples them. Depending on who you want to believe Trump did between 5-10% better with Arab voters from 2016 to 2020 and this is a guy who had a literal "muslim ban" he tried to implement.

I'm not dismissive of their concerns. I personally think Biden should cut off the weapons supply to Israel until a new government is formed who will wind down the war and implement an actual 2 state solution. Bibi should be shipped to The Hague where he can room with the Hamas leadership who's presently living it up in Qatar.
I don't think she would lose her district either. But it goes beyond her district. Polling has shown that the Arab American population in those urban/suburban areas of Michigan have trended strongly Democrat as of late, but this is kind of a big issue to them. And they are being taken for granted, and at some point, people break.

Considering how fast Trump's mental faculties are failing, I think by the time we get to summer, he just might be toast in all the main swing states, so it may not be a problem for Biden. That was always a wildcard. But in general, the Dems should be concerned how that could affect other downballot races.
 

pmv

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You do know she's actually very progressive on all issues right?

I find it sad that people are dismissing the concerns of Arab Americans of the US supporting a fucking genocide as like oh just fucking deal with it. It's pretty ridiculous. It's literally spitting in their face and saying we'll take you for granted fuck little things like genocide and apartheid state oppression. You silly people.

Sure I think they should vote for Biden over Trump duh but when liberals are this dismissive over such a serious issue I mean that's just nasty

Yeah, it's pretty arrogant.

"Who else are they gonna vote for? us elite Americans are all just as racist as each other so they have no choice" seems like a curious position to take, morally and politically.
 

Indus

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Yeah, it's pretty arrogant.

"Who else are they gonna vote for? us elite Americans are all just as racist as each other so they have no choice" seems like a curious position to take, morally and politically.

Think they just wanna stick it to Biden to make the dems take notice not to take em for granted.
 

K1052

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Dictator numbers in SC. Phillips should go back to his day job in the House.
 
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