Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
So Georgia decided to start a war on the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympics? Not that I like how Russia is flexing its muscles again (they looked at what Bush did and doesn't really care anymore), but isn't that an act of war? Why would a small country like Georgia pick a fight with Russia?
The history that spawned these problems between Georgia and the breakaway regions goes back a long way. Neither the Russians or Georgians have handled the situation really well.
It looks more like Putin is exploiting the situation as an expeditious way to curb further erosion of Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia was due to be offered NATO membership within the next year thus putting it out of reach.
Putin is now shaking the stick at Ukraine for the same reasons but there is no pretext there for military action and the Ukrainian military isn't a pushover.
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
So Georgia decided to start a war on the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympics? Not that I like how Russia is flexing its muscles again (they looked at what Bush did and doesn't really care anymore), but isn't that an act of war? Why would a small country like Georgia pick a fight with Russia?
The history that spawned these problems between Georgia and the breakaway regions goes back a long way. Neither the Russians or Georgians have handled the situation really well.
It looks more like Putin is exploiting the situation as an expeditious way to curb further erosion of Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia was due to be offered NATO membership within the next year thus putting it out of reach.
Putin is now shaking the stick at Ukraine for the same reasons but there is no pretext there for military action and the Ukrainian military isn't a pushover.
Well yes, I don't know much about the history but I imagine that's the case. However, it was still Georgia who started the fighting.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
So Georgia decided to start a war on the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympics? Not that I like how Russia is flexing its muscles again (they looked at what Bush did and doesn't really care anymore), but isn't that an act of war? Why would a small country like Georgia pick a fight with Russia?
The history that spawned these problems between Georgia and the breakaway regions goes back a long way. Neither the Russians or Georgians have handled the situation really well.
It looks more like Putin is exploiting the situation as an expeditious way to curb further erosion of Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia was due to be offered NATO membership within the next year thus putting it out of reach.
Putin is now shaking the stick at Ukraine for the same reasons but there is no pretext there for military action and the Ukrainian military isn't a pushover.
Well yes, I don't know much about the history but I imagine that's the case. However, it was still Georgia who started the fighting.
Supposedly the South Ossetia separatists were attacking Georgian positions/personnel which re-ignited the conflict and led up to the Georgians shelling parts of the city. "Start" in the terms of this region is a very relative term.
I'm not saying that the Georgians or the Russians are in the right. They're both being retarded.
I do find it convenient however that Russia had strike aircraft and elements of their 58th Army (to included hundreds of heavy tanks) ready to roll into the area on such short notice.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
So Georgia decided to start a war on the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympics? Not that I like how Russia is flexing its muscles again (they looked at what Bush did and doesn't really care anymore), but isn't that an act of war? Why would a small country like Georgia pick a fight with Russia?
The history that spawned these problems between Georgia and the breakaway regions goes back a long way. Neither the Russians or Georgians have handled the situation really well.
It looks more like Putin is exploiting the situation as an expeditious way to curb further erosion of Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia was due to be offered NATO membership within the next year thus putting it out of reach.
Putin is now shaking the stick at Ukraine for the same reasons but there is no pretext there for military action and the Ukrainian military isn't a pushover.
Well yes, I don't know much about the history but I imagine that's the case. However, it was still Georgia who started the fighting.
Supposedly the South Ossetia separatists were attacking Georgian positions/personnel which re-ignited the conflict and led up to the Georgians shelling parts of the city. "Start" in the terms of this region is a very relative term.
I'm not saying that the Georgians or the Russians are in the right. They're both being retarded.
I do find it convenient however that Russia had strike aircraft and elements of their 58th Army (to included hundreds of heavy tanks) ready to roll into the area on such short notice.
Georgia was amassing troops and conducting military exercises with US trainers in the area right before the invasion. Plus this is a volatile region for Russia in general, near Chechnya, and Beslan, which is in North Ossetia. It is absolutely not surprising to me that they had 58th army there. I was more surprised that it took them so long to launch aircraft to suppress Georgian forces shelling the capital. I think they were holding back so that the record would be clear that Georgia started this.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
So Georgia decided to start a war on the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympics? Not that I like how Russia is flexing its muscles again (they looked at what Bush did and doesn't really care anymore), but isn't that an act of war? Why would a small country like Georgia pick a fight with Russia?
The history that spawned these problems between Georgia and the breakaway regions goes back a long way. Neither the Russians or Georgians have handled the situation really well.
It looks more like Putin is exploiting the situation as an expeditious way to curb further erosion of Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia was due to be offered NATO membership within the next year thus putting it out of reach.
Putin is now shaking the stick at Ukraine for the same reasons but there is no pretext there for military action and the Ukrainian military isn't a pushover.
Well yes, I don't know much about the history but I imagine that's the case. However, it was still Georgia who started the fighting.
Supposedly the South Ossetia separatists were attacking Georgian positions/personnel which re-ignited the conflict and led up to the Georgians shelling parts of the city. "Start" in the terms of this region is a very relative term.
I'm not saying that the Georgians or the Russians are in the right. They're both being retarded.
I do find it convenient however that Russia had strike aircraft and elements of their 58th Army (to included hundreds of heavy tanks) ready to roll into the area on such short notice.
Georgia was amassing troops and conducting military exercises with US trainers in the area right before the invasion. Plus this is a volatile region for Russia in general, near Chechnya, and Beslan, which is in North Ossetia. It is absolutely not surprising to me that they had 58th army there. I was more surprised that it took them so long to launch aircraft to suppress Georgian forces shelling the capital. I think they were holding back so that the record would be clear that Georgia started this.
US military advisers have been in Georgia for the past few years based on our closer ties and the expectation that they would be offered NATO membership this year. Even a cursory look at Georgia's military would dissuade anyone from thinking they they have the ambition to go toe to toe with the Russian army on their own initiative. Nor would the US ever support such action as it would be impossible to come to Georgia's aid in a meaningful way.
Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Scary to think that tiny Georgia has, supposedly, knocked out 40 tanks and shot down 10 planes.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
So Georgia decided to start a war on the day of the opening ceremony of the Olympics? Not that I like how Russia is flexing its muscles again (they looked at what Bush did and doesn't really care anymore), but isn't that an act of war? Why would a small country like Georgia pick a fight with Russia?
The history that spawned these problems between Georgia and the breakaway regions goes back a long way. Neither the Russians or Georgians have handled the situation really well.
It looks more like Putin is exploiting the situation as an expeditious way to curb further erosion of Russia's sphere of influence. Georgia was due to be offered NATO membership within the next year thus putting it out of reach.
Putin is now shaking the stick at Ukraine for the same reasons but there is no pretext there for military action and the Ukrainian military isn't a pushover.
Well yes, I don't know much about the history but I imagine that's the case. However, it was still Georgia who started the fighting.
Supposedly the South Ossetia separatists were attacking Georgian positions/personnel which re-ignited the conflict and led up to the Georgians shelling parts of the city. "Start" in the terms of this region is a very relative term.
I'm not saying that the Georgians or the Russians are in the right. They're both being retarded.
I do find it convenient however that Russia had strike aircraft and elements of their 58th Army (to included hundreds of heavy tanks) ready to roll into the area on such short notice.
Georgia was amassing troops and conducting military exercises with US trainers in the area right before the invasion. Plus this is a volatile region for Russia in general, near Chechnya, and Beslan, which is in North Ossetia. It is absolutely not surprising to me that they had 58th army there. I was more surprised that it took them so long to launch aircraft to suppress Georgian forces shelling the capital. I think they were holding back so that the record would be clear that Georgia started this.
US military advisers have been in Georgia for the past few years based on our closer ties and the expectation that they would be offered NATO membership this year. Even a cursory look at Georgia's military would dissuade anyone from thinking they they have the ambition to go toe to toe with the Russian army on their own initiative. Nor would the US ever support such action as it would be impossible to come to Georgia's aid in a meaningful way.
Russian military was prepared for Georgian actions, thankfully, otherwise Georgians would have succeeded in destroying a city full of civilians. But it's absolutely not surprising to me that Russians had troops ready in the area. Caucuses is the most volatile region of Russia, so they have a lot of troops stationed there anyways, plus most observers could see Georgia was preparing for action both in terms of amassing equipment and training on Ossetian border. I don't know why Saakashvili thought Russia would stay out. I think it's been made as clear as he could have been made that he would not be allowed to resolve this conflict militarily, especially not with the atrocity of shelling a city full of civilians in the middle of the night.
Supposedly the South Ossetia separatists were attacking Georgian positions/personnel which re-ignited the conflict and led up to the Georgians shelling parts of the city. "Start" in the terms of this region is a very relative term.
Originally posted by: K1052
They are escalating the conflict outside of the scope of the separatist area and in to general war between the two nations.
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: K1052
They are escalating the conflict outside of the scope of the separatist area and in to general war between the two nations.
Kinda like how the US/NATO bombed all of Serbia during the kosovo conflict, huh?
Russia doesn't forget.
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: K1052
They are escalating the conflict outside of the scope of the separatist area and in to general war between the two nations.
Kinda like how the US/NATO bombed all of Serbia during the kosovo conflict, huh?
Russia doesn't forget.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: K1052
They are escalating the conflict outside of the scope of the separatist area and in to general war between the two nations.
Kinda like how the US/NATO bombed all of Serbia during the kosovo conflict, huh?
Russia doesn't forget.
I suppose it might have been preferable to let Serbia systematically exterminate the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and risk the conflict spilling over into a still volatile region of the world that already had spawned one world war.
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: K1052
They are escalating the conflict outside of the scope of the separatist area and in to general war between the two nations.
Kinda like how the US/NATO bombed all of Serbia during the kosovo conflict, huh?
Russia doesn't forget.
I suppose it might have been preferable to let Georia systematically exterminate the ethnic Ossetians in North Ossetia and risk the conflict spilling over into a still volatile region of the world that already had spawned one war.
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Colt45
Originally posted by: K1052
They are escalating the conflict outside of the scope of the separatist area and in to general war between the two nations.
Kinda like how the US/NATO bombed all of Serbia during the kosovo conflict, huh?
Russia doesn't forget.
I suppose it might have been preferable to let Serbia systematically exterminate the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and risk the conflict spilling over into a still volatile region of the world that already had spawned one world war.
There was no genocide, it was fabricated. It was merely a crackdown on a terrorist group that had been killing police officers.
It's besides the point anyways, an independent kosovo is doomed to failure. You can't run a legitimate country on trafficking drugs, arms, and people.
Originally posted by: K1052
The general idea was to run them out of the country by terror, the killings the Serbs staged worked to that end. Murdering a village full of people here and there to accomplish that wasn't beneath them.
Originally posted by: z0mb13
since Georgia is a US alley, will US do anything about this?? bush is still in beijing for gods sake..
Originally posted by: senseamp
NATO just couldn't resist poking it with a stick.