20yo Carjacker in St. Louis dies after being shot by victim

TechBoyJK

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http://fox2now.com/2016/06/09/downtown-carjacking-wounded-in-shootout-dies-police/

ST. LOUIS (KTVI) – The carjacking suspect wounded in a shootout near Busch Stadium last month has died.

The attempted carjacking took place Monday, May 30 around 10:30 p.m., in the 900 block of Spruce Street, within walking distance of the stadium, the Westin Hotel, and other bars and popular downtown hotspots.

The 27-year-old victim told police was in his pickup truck when a person walked up and announced a carjacking. The victim got out of his truck and the suspect got inside. However, the victim was armed and fired five shots at the suspect, striking the individual at least once.

The carjacker sped off in the stolen truck, but crashed a short distance away. Two accomplices in a Mitsubishi began firing shots at the victim, who returned fire. The two people in the Mitsubishi got the injured carjacking suspect and drove off.

The victim ran to a nearby business to get help and call police. He was taken to a hospital and treated for a gunshot wound to the leg.

Meanwhile, the people in the Mitsubishi attempted to bring the suspected carjacker to a hospital, but were detained by police. The driver of the Mitsubishi, 27-year-old Phillip Brown, was arrested at the hospital. His accomplice, an unidentified woman, ran away and remains at-large.

The carjacking suspect was identified as 20-year-old Tyrell Patrick.

Investigators have reclassified the case to a homicide.

Of course his facebook page is filled with people saying he didn't deserve it, that he was a good kid, etc..

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sunzt

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Homicide? really? What if the victim shot the guy while the victim was still in the car? Would that be self defense?
 

Insomniator

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Wow he was black no way

We consider this a racist statement, which we do not allow on ATF.

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Viper GTS

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The article doesn't really specify, but I'd bet the accomplices are the ones facing homicide charges - Not the guy they tried to carjack.

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gorcorps

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The article doesn't really specify, but I'd bet the accomplices are the ones facing homicide charges - Not the guy they tried to carjack.

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That's not how it reads at all. They're charging the guy who pulled the gun and shot the carjacker with homicide. The law always says you may fire in self defense, but in this case the guy already gave up his car and the criminal was going to drive away. At that point he was not in danger in the eyes of the law, and THAT'S why it's a homicide.

I don't agree with it, but the law will always place life above personal property, even if it's the life of a worthless criminal.

maybe I'm wrong though, it just doesn't read that way to me
 
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Slew Foot

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The shooter must not be a white guy. If he was, CNN would be burning down the city by now.

Since the shooting happened a month ago and the guy just died, it probably went from assault to murder or something.

You have a documented history of making thinly veiled racist comments here. This must stop.

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Linflas

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That's not how it reads at all. They're charging the guy who pulled the gun and shot the carjacker with homicide. The law always says you may fire in self defense, but in this case the guy already gave up his car and the criminal was going to drive away. At that point he was not in danger in the eyes of the law, and THAT'S why it's a homicide.

I don't agree with it, but the law will always place life above personal property, even if it's the life of a worthless criminal.

maybe I'm wrong though, it just doesn't read that way to me

The article doesn't say that anyone has been charged with anything, all it says is the case has been reclassified as a homicide.

To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from manslaughter to murder, with multiple degrees of each representing the gravity of the crime.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/homicide-definition.html
 

waggy

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That's not how it reads at all. They're charging the guy who pulled the gun and shot the carjacker with homicide. The law always says you may fire in self defense, but in this case the guy already gave up his car and the criminal was going to drive away. At that point he was not in danger in the eyes of the law, and THAT'S why it's a homicide.

I don't agree with it, but the law will always place life above personal property, even if it's the life of a worthless criminal.

maybe I'm wrong though, it just doesn't read that way to me

oh. in that case understandable. That is not self defense.

though i won't cry over the guy getting killed.
 

GagHalfrunt

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oh. in that case understandable. That is not self defense.

though i won't cry over the guy getting killed.

Yeah, legally it's homicide.

Realistically, if I was on the jury for that guys trial he'd walk. There's no way a DA will take that case to trial, they'll change him because they have to and then plead it out to something much much less.
 
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glenn1

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Yeah, legally it's homicide.

Realistically, if I was on the trial for that guys jury he'd walk. There's no way a DA will take that case to trial, they'll change him because they have to and then plead it out to something much much less.

The jury would not only refuse to convict, they'd likely line up afterwards to give a high five to the defendant for doing a public service.
 

edro

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It's up to the evidence and jury as to whether it was self defense, or retaliation.
I'm sure it could be argued that the carjacker could have used the car against him (ran over victim).

There have been many cases of shooting robbers in the back and the shooter is charged with murder.
It's not always a clear cut case.
 

DrunkenSano

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Too bad the two scumbags accomplices didn't die too. Glad the carjacker died, nothing of value was lost. Society as a whole benefited.
 

Sonikku

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If someone car jacked me I would probably not resist, preferring instead to call the police and let them handle it. I don't think I would shoot unless I firmly believed the situation was kill or be killed.
 

dainthomas

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If someone car jacked me I would probably not resist, preferring instead to call the police and let them handle it. I don't think I would shoot unless I firmly believed the situation was kill or be killed.

Probably this. Though I would be pretty annoyed because I just paid my truck off and it's in great shape.
 

flexy

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Homicide? really?

The term "homicide" merely implies that one human "caused the death of another human". It does not imply guilt of any party nor that a crime has been committed. So yes it is homicide.
 
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