20yo Carjacker in St. Louis dies after being shot by victim

[Jaepheth]

There's also the possibility they'll charge the accomplice with felony murder of his compatriot and attempted murder of the victim.

 

[skyking]

If it was me or my family in danger, all bets are off. If no longer in danger, I'd not loose a bullet over a car. They don't always go or stop where you intend them to.

 

[Adrenaline]

Wouldn't the victim just have to say that the guy was pointing a gun at him as he started to drive away and thought he was going to shoot him?

 

[Rakehellion]

Wow he was black no way

We consider this a racist statement, which we do not allow on ATF.

Perknose
Forum Director

The shooter must not be a white guy. If he was, CNN would be burning down the city by now.

Since the shooting happened a month ago and the guy just died, it probably went from assault to murder or something.

You have a documented history of making thinly veiled racist comments here. This must stop.

Perknose
Forum Director

Wow, everyone here really dislikes black people.



I see you're going for the toofer. Mod baiting along with racist posts.

You need to stop.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Exophase]

If someone car jacked me I would probably not resist, preferring instead to call the police and let them handle it. I don't think I would shoot unless I firmly believed the situation was kill or be killed.

And the outcome suggests that would have probably been the better choice. He almost got killed by the accomplices who shot back.

 

[skyking]

And the outcome suggests that would have probably been the better choice. He almost got killed by the accomplices who shot back.

No kidding.

 

[clamum]

Too bad the two scumbags accomplices didn't die too. Glad the carjacker died, nothing of value was lost. Society as a whole benefited.

:thumbsup:

If someone car jacked me I would probably not resist, preferring instead to call the police and let them handle it. I don't think I would shoot unless I firmly believed the situation was kill or be killed.

Yeah it would have to be a life or death situation to make me pull out my piece. Who can say though, in the heat of the moment? I'd like to think it would be a last resort for me, though.

 

[Craig234]

If someone car jacked me I would probably not resist, preferring instead to call the police and let them handle it. I don't think I would shoot unless I firmly believed the situation was kill or be killed.

You're a better person than most who posted before you.

 

[Exophase]

You're a better person than most who posted before you.

It's the more merciful and humane thing to do, but it's also (usually) the much safer thing to do. I mean, for your own sake. I hope that people wouldn't really be quickly to shoot to stop someone from stealing your things.

 

[kaerflog]

http://fox2now.com/2016/06/09/downtown-carjacking-wounded-in-shootout-dies-police/



Of course his facebook page is filled with people saying he didn't deserve it, that he was a good kid, etc..

https://www.facebook.com/kgroove14?ref=br_rs

Of course they would. Its his FB page. Its all his relatives and homies.

 

[Strk]

There's also the possibility they'll charge the accomplice with felony murder of his compatriot and attempted murder of the victim.

I've always been a fan of felony murder charges.

 

[Sonikku]

You're a better person than most who posted before you.

It's kind of you to say. Although I understand the point of view of those who posted before me. I believe our first instinct is often to seek retaliation against those that wrong us immediately after the fact, the sooner the better if possible. But it is my opinion that little is usually gained by rapidly escalating the situation before thinking through the consequences.

The quick knee jerk reaction following 9.11 may be an example of that. After we were hurt our first instinct was payback and the president was quick to offer us a war that aimed to advance that sentiment. But unfortunately the rush to retribution is often fraught with outcomes that end up not improving the original situation and, at times, making things even worse than if we had done nothing at all.

 

[Craig234]

There is another part to this where it's sad that a lot of people are having everything from economic problems to being damaged making them think crime is ok.

In other words, I have sympathy for the perpetrators - before the crime.

That in no way excuses their criminals acts, but is an important part of the situation.

There is an issue here of the need to respect human life. That means the criminals' lives as well as the innocent victim's.

It does give the innocent victim the priority - if he's threatened he can kill in self defense.

But it also means that wanting to kill the criminal just because you hate their crime, is not justification for killing them.

Ironically, that same lack of respect for others' lives is somewhat the same between the criminals and the people who support killing them outside of self defense.

 

[clamum]

Of course they would. Its his FB page. Its all his relatives and homies.

But still, he din do nuffin. He was shot for no reason!

Offensive racist memes are not welcome here.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Mayne]

it's only a car...geez!

 

[waggy]

it's only a car...geez!

well no. that's part of the problem. people just see the item.

That item is hundreds of hours worked away from family/friends etc. Even if they have insurance and it is covered they are still going to be out a lot. That's more missed time away from family.

why? because someone lazy son of a bitch thinks he deserves that item more then the person who worked for it?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

it's only a car...geez!

If it's worth risking your life to steal it's worth killing to defend.

 

[Humpy]

If someone car jacked me I would probably not resist, preferring instead to call the police and let them handle it. I don't think I would shoot unless I firmly believed the situation was kill or be killed.

I'd hand the keys over with a smile and a pat on the ass.

Kind of tired of my car anyway.

I just hope homie doesn't get pissy about the stick shift.

 

[Artdeco]

There's also the possibility they'll charge the accomplice with felony murder of his compatriot and attempted murder of the victim.

Yes, many states will charge the accomplices with the homicide if a member of the group dies as a result of their criminal activity.

Yep, Missouri has that:

Charges could be upgraded now that Brown's accomplice has died; murder charges are often filed against one suspect when his partner in crime dies if the fatal injuries came during the commission of a felony.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_7ecb9bb9-81da-5506-ab54-65aef5062d60.html

 

[waggy]

I'd hand the keys over with a smile and a pat on the ass.

Kind of tired of my car anyway.

I just hope homie doesn't get pissy about the stick shift.

heh i think stick shifts are the best anti theft . I know 3 people that know how to drive them.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

heh i think stick shifts are the best anti theft . I know 3 people that know how to drive them.

See, that's one of the things wrong with this country. The criminals are so lazy they don't even bother learning to drive a manual.

 

[skyking]

If I left my truck's transfer case in neutral by habit, it would stop many would be thieves.
transfer case plus manual transmission = WTF is this thing not moving? Puts it in gear WTF?? I'm outta here.

 

[Craig234]

But still, he din do nuffin. He was shot for no reason!

My first objection to your post is the racist 'black accent' you attempt to mock.

My second objection to your post is the straw man. There's a difference between 'no reason' - which clearly isn't the case - and 'not enough reason'.

My third objection to your post is that your attitude leads criminals to have no reason NOT to just kill people when they carjack. If this guy had, he'd be alive now.

 

[Craig234]

well no. that's part of the problem. people just see the item.

That item is hundreds of hours worked away from family/friends etc. Even if they have insurance and it is covered they are still going to be out a lot. That's more missed time away from family.

why? because someone lazy son of a bitch thinks he deserves that item more then the person who worked for it?

It's absolutely a huge crime - worse than you stated. The issue is valuing human life and putting it above property despite the huge crime.

 

[umbrella39]

But still, he din do nuffin. He was shot for no reason!

Grow up...