21:9 will never have 100% support in games.

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bystander36

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And why do you think TV standardized for 16:9? Initially, 5:3 was the ratio used for widescreen content. But since in UK and US 1.85 ratio was used for theatrical films, they ended up with the 16:9, a mid term between both standards. So yes, 16:9 isn't popular because someone decided to be it, but because how good it is at being a middle ground to display any type of content.
Like I said, it wasn't due to PC use, only TV use. And yes, 16:9 was chosen because someone or some people made a choice for us. They of course chose something that worked pretty well for it's purpose (TV and movies). It's not exactly because 16:9 was just superior, as there are many other not so different resolutions that could have done the job just as well, but someone had to make a call and did. As you eluded too, it wasn't chosen everywhere either.
 

Thinker_145

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And the games that don't support it? They're the same 16:9 that I would get with a 16:9 panel...but on games that support it, then I get 21:9 goodness, and you don't. Failing to see the negative here.
Well I have always said this regarding monitors that once we get used to something we find the alternative inferior. You will be used to 21:9 I won't so playing a game in 16:9 won't be an equal experience for us. Not to mention until we move to OLED you will be dealing with backlight bleed and grey/black bars when using a 21:9 monitor at 16:9.

Secondly a 21:9 monitor running at 16:9 is not the same thing as a 16:9 monitor in the same price range because you could have had a much bigger 16:9 screen.
 

richaron

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Well I have always said this regarding monitors that once we get used to something we find the alternative inferior. You will be used to 21:9 I won't so playing a game in 16:9 won't be an equal experience for us. Not to mention until we move to OLED you will be dealing with backlight bleed and grey/black bars when using a 21:9 monitor at 16:9.

Secondly a 21:9 monitor running at 16:9 is not the same thing as a 16:9 monitor in the same price range because you could have had a much bigger 16:9 screen.

Not to mention when you will be dealing with backlight bleed and grey/black bars when using 16:9 monitor at 21:9.

Secondly I see no proof of price differences between aspect ratios, I suspect anyone who thinks this is a problem is imagining or exaggerating.
 

Thinker_145

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Secondly I see no proof of price differences between aspect ratios, I suspect anyone who thinks this is a problem is imagining or exaggerating.
What? You can get a 32" 1440p 16:9 for $500. What's the 21:9 alternative to that?
 

richaron

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What? You can get a 32" 1440p 16:9 for $500. What's the 21:9 alternative to that?

Good question.. You're the one who started comparing prices to aspect ratios.

We should also consider panel types, build quality, usage, connectivity, brands, availability, and all the rest though.
 

bystander36

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Given the cost of 16:10 screens, which are easier to compare to 16:9, the prices are a lot more. I'm pretty sure any non-mainstream resolution is also going to have similar cost issues.
 
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xthetenth

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What? 27" 2560x1440p is better at having 2 windows side by side than 29" 2560x1080p. Both can be found around the same price, have the same horizontal pixel count, and panel width of a widescreen 1080p 29" is only 13% wider than a 1440p 27", so while being more panoramic, the content displayed is a bit tinier. But with the 1440p panel, you get 360 pixels more in vertical, very helpful in multi window display, and when rotated to a vertical position if the panel allows it to achieve a 1440x2560 resolution, the experience becomes premium at web browsing or document writing.
And btw, multimonitor doesn't count as an argument in a ratio aspect discussion, as there are tons and tons of possible configurations suited for the best use.

Yes, a 16:9 screen of the same width is a superset of a 21:9, in much the same way that a 21:9 screen of the same height is a superset of a 16:9, and I'd argue that the 21:9 of the same height is always a superior monitor, and is superior in a way that a 34% larger 16:9 isn't. That 16:9 would be 15% bigger in each dimension, so roughly 3000x1660. That's got some really tall columns. It'd probably be solid for reading two docs side by side, but if you've got bookmarks on a pdf or something similar that's a source of problems. Same for browsing online with a tab list down the side like I use (tree style tabs). The real killer for me is that when I'm running two halves of a screen I can turn a bit to the half I'm using, while too much vertical range can be a problem. So the near square halves of 21:9 are really practical when using a very wide screen close up like a 34" 3440x1440. There's a certain point where if you want more space you have to go wider rather than taller just because of the way the human neck works.

The cost argument is definitely a problem for 21:9, but the ergonomic qualities of a screen have not, are not, and will never be determined by economies of scale, so making that argument is a cop-out when trying to determine which is a better aspect ratio to work on.

The reason I mentioned multimonitor is because that's what it takes to try and assemble something with the same capability as an ultrawide out of the same height 16:9 screens once you acknowledge there's some point at which going taller is limited.
 

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the LG 38" 21:9 is pretty tempting but it is the same width as a 40" 16:9. i would probably rather have the extra vertical res/inches.

but if the price dropped enough i could see getting the LG.
 

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the LG 38" 21:9 is pretty tempting but it is the same width as a 40" 16:9. i would probably rather have the extra vertical res/inches.

but if the price dropped enough i could see getting the LG.

That new LG is amazing, but I see it as almost where it needs to be, but it falls short of the ideal 4K+. You see, 3440x1440 is a 1440p monitor with extra pixels on the sides. Its everything a 1440p panel is plus more. The next logical ultrawide to upgrade to from 3440x1440, would be the same thing 1440p users might upgrade to, which is 4k of course. In the case of the ultrawide, it would simply be a 4K panel with extra pixels on the sides. The tech doesn't seem to be quite there yet for that, so the LG fills in the gap very nicely IMO. Its nice for those who miss 2560x1600, the old school king of resolutions. They get their beloved resolution back with the new LG plus more on the sides. 38" is also fantastic. What a great size for an ultra wide. That's like, so perfect for shock factor but not too big to fit on your desk and have it close enough to use it comfortably. Any larger than 38" though and you have to start moving the thing back kind of far. I think 34-38" 21:9 is the perfect PC screen size. Absolutely fantastic.
I expect the pinnacle of the tech to reach 34-38" 8K 21:9 as the dead end monitor from where there is nowhere else to go without a fundamental change in viewing tech.
 

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I expect the pinnacle of the tech to reach 34-38" 8K 21:9 as the dead end monitor from where there is nowhere else to go without a fundamental change in viewing tech.

I'd sit almost but not quite too close to one.
 

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I don't know how you guys can stand the uber-rectangles. Unless you buy super big, you're gonna be squinting when reading text. Vertical space yo.

It's a shame that 5:4 has been abandoned. Square is king.
 

bystander36

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I don't know how you guys can stand the uber-rectangles. Unless you buy super big, you're gonna be squinting when reading text. Vertical space yo.

It's a shame that 5:4 has been abandoned. Square is king.
If it's all about vertical space to you, why not turn a 16:9 into a 9:16. Some monitors do come with the ability to turn them sideways.
 

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I picked up a 34" LG34UC98. Super happy with it. I bought it so I'd have more screen real estate for work and general use, but gaming on it is great too! Worst case scenario I play at 2560x1440p for older games. I think going forwards ultrawides will be well supported.
 

bystander36

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Because then there's no horizontal space. 5:4 is a great balance.
Basically you like 5:4 because you started with 5:4. For documents, 9:16 is superior, or even 21:9 (two documents side by side), but for gaming, I'd say 16:9 is much better, as it is more immersive, same with movies, as they are made even wider than 16:9.

Everything is a compromise in the end.
 

MajinCry

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Basically you like 5:4 because you started with 5:4. For documents, 9:16 is superior, or even 21:9 (two documents side by side), but for gaming, I'd say 16:9 is much better, as it is more immersive, same with movies, as they are made even wider than 16:9.

Everything is a compromise in the end.

Oh, I've used a 16:9 monitor. Didn't like it, was too squashed. And if I were to get one that had the same vertical size as my 5:4 Philips, I'd not even have space for a single Edirol.

16:9 at 1080p only has 56 more Y pixels than 1280x1024. That's hardly any difference for viewing documents 'n' such. And 1280x720 is just a fuggedaboudit ordeal. I think 1600x1200 would be nice on a 30" monitor, tho'.
 

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I actually still think 4:3 isn't as bad as it seems now on 16:9 screens. A 50" 4:3 TV was one heck of a bad ass display to watch sports on.
 

Stuka87

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Most competitive games will never support 21:9. Games like Overwatch force the game to run in 16:9 because it otherwise gives a huge advantage to people using 21:9 displays.
 

crisium

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True, the e-sports will stick with 16:9 for a long time. But most people play more than that.

I still want to see 3:2 in desktop, but it has to be big to allow letterboxing to 16:9. 2880x1920 for desktop use, and then 2880x1620 for 16:9 games and videos. So it'd have to be about 27-28 inch when letterboxed 16:9. so larger 3:2 size, around 32-33 inches would do it. You'd get a little better PPI than 27-inch 2560x1440 in 16:9 mode, and way more working area with the 3:2 size.

I don't think that many people would be interested though - possibly not enough myself but it would tempt me.
 

Stuka87

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Mhmm, such as...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcowJYevuXU

More and more people will be getting these monitors and it will become standard for PC gaming. The old square screens are pretty square in comparison.

I don't see 21:9 becoming a standard. Sure there will be people that use them. Admittedly I cannot stand ultra wide monitors as I highly dislike the lack of vertical space. But with just about all content being pointed towards 16:9 going into the semi-far future (1080, 4k, 8k, all 16:9) 21:9 is going to be a nitch.
 

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Wrong.gif

Any 2 documents that will fit side by side at 3440x1440 will fit side by side at 3840x2160.

Except the aspect ratio is way off. 3440x1440 with 2 = 1720 x 1440 each

3840x2160 = 1920 x 2160, so you have more vertical than width.

And I don't think I could find a 21:9 27" screen immersive. Just too small.

I wouldn't go for a 27" ultrawide. But 34" is amazing. Width wise it's ~32" of screen which fills my field of vision very well.

You'd have to have ~40" 4k monitor to have the same width (but then much taller). Since our natural field of view is wider than tall, the ultrawide feels very good here.
 

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Except the aspect ratio is way off. 3440x1440 with 2 = 1720 x 1440 each

3840x2160 = 1920 x 2160, so you have more vertical than width.
if i want to look at my documents in a 1720x1440 window then i'll make the windows that size. and still have extra real estate left over.

i don't think a 34" ultrawide could physically fit on my desk. my 32" is already pushing it, and that's ~28" of screen width + some bezel. ~probably 29.5" overall. at the very least i'd have to go for a soundbar to have the speakers under the monitor rather than flanking it (venerable ACS-48s, older than many posters here i'm sure). was looking at the vizio 28.1 which would be the perfect width.

but, until someone comes out with a 2160p ultrawide, i'd be giving up lines. and given how weirded out i was moving from a 19" CRT at 1440x1080 to a 20" LCD at 1680x1050, i doubt i'd do that. i missed those 30 lines for years.
 
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moonbogg

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I don't see 21:9 becoming a standard. Sure there will be people that use them. Admittedly I cannot stand ultra wide monitors as I highly dislike the lack of vertical space. But with just about all content being pointed towards 16:9 going into the semi-far future (1080, 4k, 8k, all 16:9) 21:9 is going to be a nitch.

What lack of vertical space? Its the SAME as a 16:9 monitor with extra on the sides. Nothing is taken away.
 

Stuka87

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What lack of vertical space? Its the SAME as a 16:9 monitor with extra on the sides. Nothing is taken away.

I should have noted that I prefer 16:10 displays. I do have a 16:9 on my gaming machine, but only because there was no 16:10 144Hz displays at the time.
 
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