2100+ Tbred B (? -> yes!) at newegg for 92->101 dollars (1/14/03)

[Jen]

Originally posted by: cowdog
Whoa Shim, that's a lot of cpus! I thought I was bad having 2 2100+ TbredBs (0302 and 0249).

I played with the 0302 a little at first, and didn't have much luck above about 2200mhz (forget exactly). I do think my psu had problems at that point, so I should try it with the new psu. Plus there are some other differences. I now have the nb actively cooled and the sb passively cooled. Not to mention that I am getting a better feel for the 2100+ and 8RDA+ combo. I currently have the 0249 running at 2300mhz (11.5 x 200 @ 1.775vcore). I have had it running above 2400mhz, but I have been focused the last few days on slow methodical testing of higher fsb. 11x205 ran fine as well, although I didn't test it as comprehensively (yet). I am pondering this balance between higher mhz and higher fsb. Seems like there might be a sweet spot somewhere therein.

I am going to keep both 2100+ chips and setup a 2nd system. I am currently waiting for the 8RGA mobo to hit the states (and money to magically appear in my wallet).

BTW, figuring out which stepping is better seems like a tough task. For example, later 1.1 versions of the 8RDA+ mobo have an A3 northbridge chip. Some claim that change equates to higher fsb and better OCing. Actively cooling the nb seems to help get a higher fsb as well. So in addition to better cooling, variability in each cpu, and other obvious factors, it seems to me that there are some subtle factors influencing how well these 2100+ TbredBs are OCing as well.

i seen a Epx 8RDA 3+ should be around soon. dont know what all the options will be.


also Abit NF7 1.2 version is comeing very soon. suppose to have v core to 2.2 and memory to 3.2 . nothing said about the VDD yet




Jen

 

[EXman]

Hey all,

Yes last night I finally hopped onboard the Tbred train TOOT TOOT got a PCnut special 0248 for the premium cost of $110 shipped

I plan on running this on an Iwill XP333 that does have a 1/5 and 1/6 divider (the board was ahead of it's time) and I plan on using some PC3000 Kingston HyperX stuff that looked like a great buy in the Hot deals forum ($85 a 512mb stick so I got 2.) What are you all that don't have the higher multipliers unlocked through their motherboards doing about the multipliers? I'm not gonna cut anything but the 9v Battery gizmo sounds promising due to if you screw up there probably will be no evidence of tampering. I'm gonna go to 1.8v tops and see where stability resides. I do keep a CPU for a year or so so i do not want to blow it out prematurely.

Ya flame me on my mobo I like it and love to just drop a new chip in with the hassle of reformatting and all just do not have that kinda time on my hands.

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: EXman
Hey all,

Yes last night I finally hopped onboard the Tbred train TOOT TOOT got a PCnut special 0248 for the premium cost of $110 shipped

I plan on running this on an Iwill XP333 that does have a 1/5 and 1/6 divider (the board was ahead of it's time) and I plan on using some PC3000 Kingston HyperX stuff that looked like a great buy in the Hot deals forum ($85 a 512mb stick so I got 2.) What are you all that don't have the higher multipliers unlocked through their motherboards doing about the multipliers? I'm not gonna cut anything but the 9v Battery gizmo sounds promising due to if you screw up there probably will be no evidence of tampering. I'm gonna go to 1.8v tops and see where stability resides. I do keep a CPU for a year or so so i do not want to blow it out prematurely.

Ya flame me on my mobo I like it and love to just drop a new chip in with the hassle of reformatting and all just do not have that kinda time on my hands.

for myself i will be going to a nforce 2 board and some new memory so i can use higher or lower multiplier and to lock my agp/pci down


i have seen some hacked bios out there that allow higher multipliers on older motherboards. alas i havent found any hacked bios for my kx7 333r or i would be alot more happier with it


Jen

 

[Shimmishim]

COOL JEN!!!

what board you gonna get? 8rda(+) .... A7N8X? ..... MSI? .. chaintech?

do tell do tell!!!

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Jen

Originally posted by: EXman
Hey all,

Yes last night I finally hopped onboard the Tbred train TOOT TOOT got a PCnut special 0248 for the premium cost of $110 shipped

I plan on running this on an Iwill XP333 that does have a 1/5 and 1/6 divider (the board was ahead of it's time) and I plan on using some PC3000 Kingston HyperX stuff that looked like a great buy in the Hot deals forum ($85 a 512mb stick so I got 2.) What are you all that don't have the higher multipliers unlocked through their motherboards doing about the multipliers? I'm not gonna cut anything but the 9v Battery gizmo sounds promising due to if you screw up there probably will be no evidence of tampering. I'm gonna go to 1.8v tops and see where stability resides. I do keep a CPU for a year or so so i do not want to blow it out prematurely.

Ya flame me on my mobo I like it and love to just drop a new chip in with the hassle of reformatting and all just do not have that kinda time on my hands.

for myself i will be going to a nforce 2 board and some new memory so i can use higher or lower multiplier and to lock my agp/pci down


i have seen some hacked bios out there that allow higher multipliers on older motherboards. alas i havent found any hacked bios for my kx7 333r or i would be alot more happier with it


Jen

Any for the A7V266E??

 

[txxxx]

Got my AIUHB. On my MSI K7N2 , it does 2.2ghz @1.8v, however, the voltage regulation to CPU core on the MSI nForce2 is TERRIBLE. I had a ABIT KR7A-133 with pure triple phase power, and only varied in supply votage by a range of 0.02v. My MSI board is varying by a range of 0.12v! Its not my PSU for sure...

The internal diode is reading 55C on load, which is good I think, considering there's a silent Zalman cooling it I personally dont think this is bad at all , although if anyone know's whether the MSI K7N2 transform's that value from the core, I would like to know. Think it could go further but with the poor power regulation, not too far

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
COOL JEN!!!

what board you gonna get? 8rda(+) .... A7N8X? ..... MSI? .. chaintech?

do tell do tell!!!

Abit NF7 1.2
Epox 8RDA 3+
Epox 8RGA


one of those ............waiting to find out how good the new Abit will be as i have had no problems with Abits before. Cant say the same for Epox which wiped out 5 processors in a matter of weeks.



Jen

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: EXman
Hey all,

Yes last night I finally hopped onboard the Tbred train TOOT TOOT got a PCnut special 0248 for the premium cost of $110 shipped

I plan on running this on an Iwill XP333 that does have a 1/5 and 1/6 divider (the board was ahead of it's time) and I plan on using some PC3000 Kingston HyperX stuff that looked like a great buy in the Hot deals forum ($85 a 512mb stick so I got 2.) What are you all that don't have the higher multipliers unlocked through their motherboards doing about the multipliers? I'm not gonna cut anything but the 9v Battery gizmo sounds promising due to if you screw up there probably will be no evidence of tampering. I'm gonna go to 1.8v tops and see where stability resides. I do keep a CPU for a year or so so i do not want to blow it out prematurely.

Ya flame me on my mobo I like it and love to just drop a new chip in with the hassle of reformatting and all just do not have that kinda time on my hands.

Heya fellow ninja

You shouldn't have to do anything with your multis since you picked up good RAM

The 2100+'s have the lower multis I believe, so if you really wanted to push your bus, you could just drop the multi if your board is willing.

Otherwise, you should do fine with the 13 multi; 13 x 166 sould be no sweat for 2.176, and you can just go up from there up until its rated 185mhz or go somewhere lower with maybe more aggressive timings.

Let us know how it works out

Chiz

 

[chizow]

Jen, if pushing the OC is the main goal, I'd go with Epox simply b/c of their BIOS support and wide user base. I've read and followed some posts on the Abit, and they seem to be lagging behind in the BIOS/OC'ability department. The situation is getting better, but its only b/c people have found workarounds by blowing traces and modding voltages. I think it boils down to the quality of the BIOS released with any of the nForce2 boards, and currently I think Epox users have the most flexibility in regards to OC'ing b/c of the BIOS releases. The Asus board does well in all the reviews, but I think its a result of Asus holding back that's giving A7N8X users problems. Since DDR400 isn't officially supported yet, there's no doubt in my mind that something in the BIOS is causing the board to go haywire right around the 195FSB mark. You'll be hard pressed to find any A7N8X users with a 9700pro running a FSB over 200mhz; people are getting better results with GF4 cards b/c they seem to have a higher fault tolerance with the AGP out-of-spec.

Chiz

 

[EXman]

Chiz,

Thanks for the response <bows to fellow ninja>

I am hoping that the Ram I am to get will indeed do all its rated speed and more with relaxed timings it definately has some potential at a grrrrreat price.

Anyone getting the mid teens Multipliers to work so that they do not have to just use FSB to get high OC results.
Love to use 14x175ish to cheat a lil with PC3000 ram at more aggressive timings. I'm too cheap to buy Corsair LL sticks

I am currently in pickle with excaliberpc.com due to them overcharging me 2 times $280 due to an error on their webpage checkout system. So the Fraud dept. at my CC co. calls me wondering why there are 3 seperate charges to an internet site. Whoa! I droped them an e-mail and to my amazement they actually responded to me on a Sunday! they swear up and down that I was the only person to get screwed (not how they termed it of course) but they will try and correct the matter but since it is unusual it might take a long time. i told them thanks for speedy reply. I will hold them to it and if they want to keep my business a kind gesture of granting me a small credit on my next order will be much appreciated. we'll see how that goes i was gonna ask for an upgrade on my shipping but heck I got 3day anyhow.

I have heard that I might increase my chances of a better OC if I use only 1 stick of ram due to the boards voltage ever heard of that ( I have heard 1 stick for other reasons just not total board voltage?)

oh well i'll keep you all up to speed.

And Jen every board you get doesn't have to be an Abit! I remember you telling me you liked your 8k7a even though I was having problems with my floppy header killing drives. Or was that the board that ate your CPUs?:Q

If I wanted to change boards now I would go the Epox Nforce2 route. and next time I buy a board I will get one that is not as quirky and has a much larger user base than my silly ole XP333-R!

 

[Jen]

Originally posted by: EXman

And Jen every board you get doesn't have to be an Abit! I remember you telling me you liked your 8k7a even though I was having problems with my floppy header killing drives. Or was that the board that ate your CPUs?:Q

If I wanted to change boards now I would go the Epox Nforce2 route. and next time I buy a board I will get one that is not as quirky and has a much larger user base than my silly ole XP333-R!

if Abit can get its act together with this rev 1.2 then i will go that route. i am looking for 200 fsb plus and the current nforce 2 boards are hit or miss at the moment. some will do it while others wont.


my epox 8k7a was a good board till i lost 500 dollars worth of processors. that left me with a Pentium 600e for another 6 months while trying to get enough money together to get this Abit Kx7 333r motherboard etc.



i have had Abits for a long time and they never failed me yet. cant say the same for what happened with epox as i dont understand how come it went bad in a very bad way. also rma for any epox board to date requires a rma through the store which you bought it from. this means if you buy a used epox board on any sales forum etc you are stuck with it if it dies.



not doing well tonight ...........blanking out to much and to dizzy




Jen

 

[MetroRider]

sorry if this has been brought up before, but i was wondering......

what would be a good hs/fan that would sufficiently cool this chip while ~ 2166-2200 MHz while not being too loud like a Delta 7k screamer and at the same time costing < $30 (unlike an AX-7 + hs combo).

much thanks in advance...

 

[Shimmishim]

OVERKILLED QUESTION!!!!

HAHAHA...

j/k

slk-800 29.99 from svc.com

faN: your choice... either the ys tech variable or the TT smart fan 2

 

[Instigator]

I just picked up two of the XP 2100+ 0304 AIUHB, but only one is installed. It's currently running at (12.5 x 185) 2.230ghz at 1.7v. It can boot into windows at 2350mhz at 1.7v, but I can't get prime95 to run without errors. I've only tried up to 1.75v so there is more room. Temperature at full load is about 49c and 43c idle and that's with my Y.S. Tech adjustable fan set to about 3/4 speed. Seems like the sweet spot is 2.2ghz, without throwing more than 1.8v at it. Also, it runs very stable with Prime95 at (13 x 166) 2.166ghz at 1.675v. So that should give you some idea how the 0304's are doing. I really think my temps are high, because my XP 1700+ ran (11 x 185) 2.035ghz with 1.775v at 43c under full load. I may need to reapply my AC3 and reseat my SK7. I'll keep you posted.

 

[Shimmishim]

yes, try reseating it...

it took me 4 tries before i finally got my slk-800 to work properly....

and your temps should drop...

2350 @ 1.75V is pretty good....

i'm getting my 0304 by thursday... i'll post my results as well..

 

[dannybin1742]

what are you guys getting from default voltage ocs from the aiuhb 2100+s? i ask this cause i got a sn41g2 shuttel mini system (mini nf2) and i has no voltage adjustments so i'd like to know tha average default voltage oc from you aiuhb 2100+ ocs.--- an i mean with no multiplyer adjustments either. just straight up fsb raising


anyone?

 

[EXman]

UPDATE:

excaliburpc.com's weekend customerservice monitors AT forums so smile everyone! I just cancelled my order for my HyperX Ram due to smart-alec and arrogant customer service rep. Not only is their Website checkout screwed up and overcharges you hundreds of dollars they have the gaul to imply that there is a chance that it is your fault but ZERO chance that it is their fault at all. These are the facts!

So is it back to newegg or Mwave where I know I'll be treated with some common courtesy?

I made this Bold just for the guy at excaliburpc.com <waves>

 

[Shimmishim]

hahaha funny funny...

i didn't get overcharged at all.. i've had 2 good purchases from them so far...

oh well.. hehehe...

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: dannybin1742
what are you guys getting from default voltage ocs from the aiuhb 2100+s? i ask this cause i got a sn41g2 shuttel mini system (mini nf2) and i has no voltage adjustments so i'd like to know tha average default voltage oc from you aiuhb 2100+ ocs.--- an i mean with no multiplyer adjustments either. just straight up fsb raising


anyone?

i got 13 x 166 @ default voltage = 2158 ish...

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: EXman
UPDATE:

excaliburpc.com's weekend customerservice monitors AT forums so smile everyone! I just cancelled my order for my HyperX Ram due to smart-alec and arrogant customer service rep. Not only is their Website checkout screwed up and overcharges you hundreds of dollars they have the gaul to imply that there is a chance that it is your fault but ZERO chance that it is their fault at all. These are the facts!

So is it back to newegg or Mwave where I know I'll be treated with some common courtesy?

I made this Bold just for the guy at excaliburpc.com <waves>

Bleh, that sucks :disgust:

Yah, just as I figured, lotsa these websites (including NE unfortunately) have plants that monitor web chatter, which results in bait and switch type deals where they artificially lower prices on a hot item as loss leaders, then quickly raise them after a certain number of orders/hits. Excalibur PC is the latest example. Before the T-bred B's arrived, they had zero reputation and like 3 reseller rating comments. Now they offer a full "line" of T-bred B's based on stepping and week. Go figure

If you really wanna hit 'em where it hurts here at AT, post a similar comment over in the Hot Deals thread pimpin em

Also, about volt mods and multis; I've read numerous threads recommending volt mods, but I'm not into doing anything that is irreversible (non-software/BIOS related), as I upgrade often and doing something like that often hurts a potential resale (not to mention warranty ). Also, I'm pretty sure the BIOS' multis on these chips are below 12.5x for non-NF2 mobos. I'm not 100% sure on it though, but I was running 14 x 174 for 2430mhz very nicely on my samsung PC2700. I settled on 12.5 x 190mhz for 2375mhz though, as it allows me to run 1.80V and my FSB can't go much higher w.out video signal loss b/c of the AGP bus and 9700pro (suspected).

As for a good place, try Googlegear. I think they also have a very good price on that PC3000 HyperX, like $90 for a 512MB stick. They are a notch below NE, Monarch, Mwave, and Essential Computers in my book, but are still very good overrall. They consistently have the best prices on RAM too.

Dannybin, I was saying when I first got my 2100+ that 13 x 166 at default was easily do-able; I don't think anyone that has tried notching it straight to 166mhz w/out touching anything else has had any problems. You might be able to get up into the low ~170's, but that really depends on your chip and your RAM.

Chiz

 

[MetroRider]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
OVERKILLED QUESTION!!!!
slk-800 29.99 from svc.com

faN: your choice... either the ys tech variable or the TT smart fan 2

thanks for the input. one thing i was wondering about the fan though: Would a 2500 rpm 80mm fan be enough, or would one need a fan that spins at faster than 4000 rpm be needed in order to sufficiently cool this chip at such high a speed?

TIA

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: MetroRider

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
OVERKILLED QUESTION!!!!
slk-800 29.99 from svc.com

faN: your choice... either the ys tech variable or the TT smart fan 2

thanks for the input. one thing i was wondering about the fan though: Would a 2500 rpm 80mm fan be enough, or would one need a fan that spins at faster than 4000 rpm be needed in order to sufficiently cool this chip at such high a speed?

TIA

depends how much air it can push at 2500 rpm's...

i'm using the TT smart fan 2... and w/o it being overly loud, i have it set to 3500 rpm's and it keeps my 2100+ @ 2350 around 45C full load...

 

Ok, I am sick. I bought a 2200+ last month after being a knucklehead and not doing the research. It will do 12 * 166 but unstable. I settled for 11 * 166 for a while but still having problems.

Today I just went on Newegg and ordered a 2100+ so I can stop kicking myself I hope I can dump this 2200+ on Ebay for at around $90. If I get 2Ghz stable I will be a happy man.

 

[RadDavy]

I know this might not be the best place to post this but since I'm overclocking a 2100+ I guess it's ok. I've been trying different fsb/clock settings on this GA-7vaxp. This processor's upper limit seems to be around 2275Mhz so I've been trying to get the highest fsb/memory setting while staying below that speed. I had to connect the 5th L3 bridge so that i could use the manual multiplier switches on this board. (ohhhhh how i miss the kt7-raid bios). Anyway, at the moment it's running at 2250mhz/360fsb via 12.5x multiplier. So far the system has yet to crash while doing benches such as UT03,Q3, 3dmark03 etc. however, prime95 will quit the torture test in the first 10 min. while multitasking with MusicMatch, creative dvd (outputting 2Gb Mpg to t.v.), IE, Outlook, and Sandra (checking temps/voltages). My question is this; How relevant are errors while multitasking with prime95? Can other apps. interfere with prime95? I can run q3 timedemos while multitasking all the apps i mentioned with no problems so i'm wondering to do.

 

[cowdog]

Originally posted by: RadDavy
I know this might not be the best place to post this but since I'm overclocking a 2100+ I guess it's ok. I've been trying different fsb/clock settings on this GA-7vaxp. This processor's upper limit seems to be around 2275Mhz so I've been trying to get the highest fsb/memory setting while staying below that speed. I had to connect the 5th L3 bridge so that i could use the manual multiplier switches on this board. (ohhhhh how i miss the kt7-raid bios). Anyway, at the moment it's running at 2250mhz/360fsb via 12.5x multiplier. So far the system has yet to crash while doing benches such as UT03,Q3, 3dmark03 etc. however, prime95 will quit the torture test in the first 10 min. while multitasking with MusicMatch, creative dvd (outputting 2Gb Mpg to t.v.), IE, Outlook, and Sandra (checking temps/voltages). My question is this; How relevant are errors while multitasking with prime95? Can other apps. interfere with prime95? I can run q3 timedemos while multitasking all the apps i mentioned with no problems so i'm wondering to do.

I don't know the answer to your question. I personally have considered any error in prime95 (even ran it concurrently with 2 hours of Unreal II) to mean my system is unstable. My goal has been to get 100% benchies and torture test results while doing everything I can think of to whack the system. The last thing I want is some minor error that manifests in some unfavorable way at exactly the worst possible moment.