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[KIRBYEE]

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[miketheidiot]

stop posting.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't think a change in our gun laws would much affect what happens in Finland.

I do know that frustration and emotion don't change external realities or propound logical and coherent solutions to the source of agitation.

For example, if all the other students had been armed he might have only gotten one.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
stop posting.

You are attacking the poster without supplying any meaningful content.

 

[KIRBYEE]

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[KIRBYEE]

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[SilthDraeth]

Moonbeam is right. He may be a raving lunatic at times, but then so am I.

"stop posting" post amounts to nothing more than being a troll.

To the OP.

The youtube video of the previous shooter had him planning the attack on youtube, and then carrying it out. So yes, I don't mind that governments look at youtube, and myspace etc, public forums and looking for people planning violence.

On the other hand, a youtube video of someone at a fireing range, and not saying anything untoward, then getting investigated seems weird. One could argue, that he got investigated for it, was smart enough to realize why, and crazy enough to get pissed off about the investigation, and being a nutjob decided to go and start shooting people.

Who knows, clearly the nutjobs kill people, and firearms are a double edged sword. As long as they exist, then criminals WILL have them, so it only makes logical sense that citizens in good standing should have access to them if they so choose.

 

[KIRBYEE]

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[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: KIRBYEE

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
Moonbeam is right. He may be a raving lunatic at times, but then so am I.

"stop posting" post amounts to nothing more than being a troll.

To the OP.

The youtube video of the previous shooter had him planning the attack on youtube, and then carrying it out. So yes, I don't mind that governments look at youtube, and myspace etc, public forums and looking for people planning violence.

On the other hand, a youtube video of someone at a fireing range, and not saying anything untoward, then getting investigated seems weird. One could argue, that he got investigated for it, was smart enough to realize why, and crazy enough to get pissed off about the investigation, and being a nutjob decided to go and start shooting people.

Who knows, clearly the nutjobs kill people, and firearms are a double edged sword. As long as they exist, then criminals WILL have them, so it only makes logical sense that citizens in good standing should have access to them if they so choose.

I love Moonbeam. :heart:

The rights of the majority are taken away because of some few nutjobs. It's really frustrating being treated like that. It's not right and it's not fair. But when is the government fair...

I've been following the gun threads here with some interest. Now we're going to have and already have been having that same discussion here in Finland because of these shootings. It goes around in circles with all the same arguments being used over and over, just like on this board.

in my opinion, its not because of those nutjobs, some people are looking for any excuse to take the rights away, the nutjobs just grease the wheel

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: KIRBYEE

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
Moonbeam is right. He may be a raving lunatic at times, but then so am I.

"stop posting" post amounts to nothing more than being a troll.

To the OP.

The youtube video of the previous shooter had him planning the attack on youtube, and then carrying it out. So yes, I don't mind that governments look at youtube, and myspace etc, public forums and looking for people planning violence.

On the other hand, a youtube video of someone at a fireing range, and not saying anything untoward, then getting investigated seems weird. One could argue, that he got investigated for it, was smart enough to realize why, and crazy enough to get pissed off about the investigation, and being a nutjob decided to go and start shooting people.

Who knows, clearly the nutjobs kill people, and firearms are a double edged sword. As long as they exist, then criminals WILL have them, so it only makes logical sense that citizens in good standing should have access to them if they so choose.

I love Moonbeam. :heart:

The rights of the majority are taken away because of some few nutjobs. It's really frustrating being treated like that. It's not right and it's not fair. But when is the government fair...

I've been following the gun threads here with some interest. Now we're going to have and already have been having that same discussion here in Finland because of these shootings. It goes around in circles with all the same arguments being used over and over, just like on this board.

:heart:

Here the government can't take away our rights so easy because we have the 2nd amendment and a Constitutional right to bear arms. But the answer is not guns but creating a life with a future. Young people go over the deep end because they lose their way in finding meaning. The psychic damage done to kids is hard to fix.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

The conservative right-wing groups will blame metal and horror movies for it. The fact that he was a right-wing extremist who also listened to Nazi music has nothing to do with it, right?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
The conservative right-wing groups will blame metal and horror movies for it. The fact that he was a right-wing extremist who also listened to Nazi music has nothing to do with it, right?

That's not possible. The forum experts have declared that the far-right has no influence in Europe.

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
The fact that he was a right-wing extremist who also listened to Nazi music has nothing to do with it, right?

Are you just running your mouth or have you something to back that up? Besides, if he was, pretty stupid to kill your fellow caucasians...

Originally posted by: KIRBYEE

Umm... I hate this nanny state piece of shit country. Police checking videos on Youtube for potential school shooters. Bah.

They were right thought. He went postal the next day. And believe I read somewhere that he threatened to kill everybody on that youtube video. That enough for me to bring him in for questioning...

 

[Colt45]

It's not the guns or the music, it's the lack of sunlight

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Colt45
It's not the guns or the music, it's the lack of sunlight

Interesting to speculate that it could be that simple.

So is it ideas that make people crazy or do crazy people latch onto crazy ideas?

 

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[MikeO]

Originally posted by: KIRBYEE
I'm not a criminal

Yet.

why can't I own any gun I like?

Because when you turn into a criminal I'd rather you have a sharp stick than a gun.

 

[KIRBYEE]

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[KIRBYEE]

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[KIRBYEE]

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[KB]

He killed 10 people with a .22? Imagine if he had a real weapon like a .45 or 9mm.

If our police investigated everyone who posted a video of them shooting on youtube then we would have a police force dedicated just to that.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
The fact that he was a right-wing extremist who also listened to Nazi music has nothing to do with it, right?

Are you just running your mouth or have you something to back that up? Besides, if he was, pretty stupid to kill your fellow caucasians...

The media here reported on some of the bands he liked, and at least one of them was known for 'Nazism worship'.

Don't know what the basis for this attack was, maybe he just hated those people, maybe he was just a copycat, maybe he thought they were 'supporting the enemy', no idea. Let's wait for more news first.