23"-24" LCDs

[DasFox]

I just recently tried out two Apple 23" displays, what junk, at least for me they both turned out with problems, so those went back to the store promptly for my refund.

I'll never look at another Apple LCD again. Turns out they have a known leakage with the 23" and Apple's Quality Control seems to be lacking as well.

Now I'm on the hunt again for something in the 23"-24" range. There really doesn't seem to be to much, at least for high-end SLI gaming at 1920x1200 that is.

Two I have in mind at this moment are the HP L2335 and the Sony SDM-P234.

But I keep hearing people tell me if I can wait, then hold on some new stuff is on the way. Well my reply is what and they are all like, I don't really know other the Dells, which my reply is I don't want a Dell. But I also heard there might be a new HP coming, now I'm not sure how accurate this information is.

Does anyone know if besides Dell there has been some other company information out for other LCD models soon to be coming?

I mean I'm looking at it like, well if something is out there, then I don't mind waiting, BUT waiting for how long?

THANKS

 

[akugami]

There will always be new products coming. How soon, I have no clue. From what I hear the 23" Apples are nice. At least from all the reviews, though I've never used one. Large LCD's are hard to keep uniform as far as backlighting goes. I've yet to hear about any LCD model with completely uniform lighting and large LCD's exacerbate the problem. It just depends on how bad it is and your tolerance level.

 

[DasFox]

I know there is always going to be something coming. It's just some people where making it sound like it was a known in the community about some particular models. I mean we all know about the new Dell 24" coming, that everyone has been waiting for. So the way it was being said, it seemed like there where other LCDs known of like this on the way soon, but personally I have not heard of anything out there other then the Dell.

AS of now this is the only changes I have seen taking place in the industry;

"Samsung, Sony agree to expand LCD production"

http://www.physorg.com/news63904058.html

As far as HP goes Well I don't see anything in the HP "News Release"

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2006/index.html

I think if there was going to be anything on new LCDs it would certainly be listed here, yes?

Here is the Sony One I believe:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/

Nothing there other then the Samsung Joint Venture on New LCDS for 2007

ALOHA

 

[pkme2]

I'm waiting for the new 24" Dell 2407 to arrive on the market, so maybe I'll get a deal on the 2405s, whether new or refurbished. I don't game but I've seen the 24" Dell and I'm sold. If the price is right, and if it fits my budget, I'll be just happy!!!!!

I've also seen the Samsung and Apple lcds, great for others, too rich for me.

 

[DasFox]

pkme2, well if you read up, I just returned two 23" ACDs, the first one looked nice, if it wasn't for the background leaks, I might still have it.
You should of seen Fear and Oblivion in it blazing in all glory at 1920x1200, LOL

ALOHA

 

[bunnyfubbles]

From how far I've looked into it, there aren't any flawless "gaming" LCDs above 20". The only "flaw" with 20" and lower would be lack of resolution, the highest being 1600x1200 in a non-wide 20". It might be several months before we have a 23-24"er (or at least one that can do 1920x1200 or higher) that doesn't really sacrifice anything.

 

[DasFox]

Ok I found out, here is what's coming over the next few months from what I gather.

Samsung 245T (S-PVA)
BenQ PF241W + BFI variant (no idea what panel, my guess its LG philips)
HP 2465 (P-MVA but I maybe wrong, the 6ms response time matches the samsung but the viewing angle matches the AUO M-PVA panel, UK confirmed late April availability)
DELL 2407FPW (S-PVA, confirmed May 6th UK availability)
Apple 23" (no details on this but likely before WDC in august)
NEC 23" AS-IPS (LM230WU3 LCD module is available, my guess this will be available after the HP and DELL screens)

Also 30" samsung but S-PVA.

Someone gave me this info over at the Hardforum:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1045016&page=3&pp=20

 

[imported_Crusader]

I prefer the 20inch screens for their resolution.
I use a 2005FPW that I paid $550 for on first release, but currently my favorite overall is the NEC 20WGX2. Great monitor for gaming.

24inchers are too small to be a TV and too high resolution to game on without turning down details or running dual GPU.

Not to mention the Dell 2405, in particular, is not a true 8bit panel. So I'd research double time if you are going with any 24inch.

 

[DasFox]

Crusader, well have a look at my GameRig. I'm running SLI, two 7900GTs, so I hope, I mean GOSH I sure hope I can game 1920x1200 for the next few years to come MAX detail and still have a great gaming experience.

ALOHA

 

[humanentity]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Crusader, well have a look at my GameRig. I'm running SLI, two 7900GTs, so I hope, I mean GOSH I sure hope I can game 1920x1200 for the next few years to come MAX detail and still have a great gaming experience.

ALOHA

NO WAY MAN in 6 to 9 months directx 10 may be launched then with the new instructions coders might do MASSIVE USE of shaders and then any directx 9 rig would experience a great performance decrease with the most recently released content

 

[DasFox]

humanentity, yeah no kidding. I think the smartest bet is a nice 20"-21" at the moment. People sure are ranting over the NEC 20WGX2. Has anyone heard anything on the Viewsonic VX2025wm?

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/xseries/vx2025wm/

Well guys unless these new LCDs boast gaming on a 23"-24" with the same performance as a 20"-21" MAX details without performance loss, looks like honestly, that gaming on the 21" range the safer bet for MAX detail and a better gaming experience.

I'm starting to get the feeling that gaming at 1900x1200 is going to have it's downside, of course we all know the frames are going to drop, that is a given.

But what about more game lag, slower response, stutter, etc...


Well all I can say is at this point performance and quality still seem to be somewhere within the grasp of the 21" LCDs and 23" are more towards leaning on the image side, with a drop in the performance.

But all I can hope is if you have a awesome 21" LCD, that the image quality isn't going to be that much different at 1600x over say 1900x

 

[DasFox]

Well I'm in the same boat as most, trying to find a killer LCD for gaming without all the problems typically associated with LCDs at present.

There have been some nice rants over the Viewsonic VX2025wm and the NEC 20WGX2, besides these two are there any other LCDs in the 20"-21" range to compete with these?

Ultimately I wanted to game with a 23" at 1900x1200 MAX details, but there is no way to get around a decrease in performance. Now some new 24" range LCDs are on the way in the next few months, so there is no telling if they will give better performance like the smaller LCDs at the 1600x resolutions.

Next another dilemma of DX10 on the way, changing everything we have now in the way of performance, and taking possibly another hit on it.

So maybe for the next few years, real quailty and performance will still rest on the shoulders of the 20"-21" LCDs and for the bigger sizes we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime do tell and let us hear about any other great 21" range gaming LCDs, if there is any?

How does the Viewsonic VX2025wm, NEC 20WGX2 and Dell 2007WFP compete against each other? And any other hot 20"-21" gaming LCDs, besides these?

THANKS

 

[Overgloc]

I love my Sony 23" 1920x1200 ROX!! Sad thing is i just lost my job and i might end up selling it.

 

[DasFox]

Originally posted by: Overgloc
I love my Sony 23" 1920x1200 ROX!! Sad thing is i just lost my job and i might end up selling it.

Oh man sorry to hear, don't go selling your things man, just hang in there.

 

[xtknight]

From what I've read, the VX2025WM is a close second behind the NEC 20WMGX2. I wouldn't recommend the Dell 2007WFP at all; it has a defective component that causes color banding which to our knowledge has not been fixed yet. They may have sent reviewers ones from the small batch that didn't have the problem.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: DasFox
Well I'm in the same boat as most, trying to find a killer LCD for gaming without all the problems typically associated with LCDs at present.

There have been some nice rants over the Viewsonic VX2025wm and the NEC 20WGX2, besides these two are there any other LCDs in the 20"-21" range to compete with these?

Ultimately I wanted to game with a 23" at 1900x1200 MAX details, but there is no way to get around a decrease in performance. Now some new 24" range LCDs are on the way in the next few months, so there is no telling if they will give better performance like the smaller LCDs at the 1600x resolutions.

Next another dilemma of DX10 on the way, changing everything we have now in the way of performance, and taking possibly another hit on it.

So maybe for the next few years, real quailty and performance will still rest on the shoulders of the 20"-21" LCDs and for the bigger sizes we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime do tell and let us hear about any other great 21" range gaming LCDs, if there is any?

How does the Viewsonic VX2025wm, NEC 20WGX2 and Dell 2007WFP compete against each other? And any other hot 20"-21" gaming LCDs, besides these?

THANKS

I like my Samsung 215tw in the 21" lineup, its not gonna be the same as an Nec cause opticlear does make a difference image wise, but I think for the price the 215tw is pretty damn good. I have had mine for a little while now and still cant find any reviews which was the same way with my 204b I got rid of for this one. Comparing the 204b and this one is like night and day IMHO.

 

[josh6079]

That opticlear stuff, or whatever makes the monitor have a glossy finish, isn't that what a lot of CRT's had? I thought the no glare attribute to the LCD's was one positive thing for a monitor? Does anyone here have it? I would think not having to worry about lights being behind you would be nice, but I could be wrong. I do like the NEC except for the no height adjustment and maybe the glossy coat thing.

Just how much does it improve the image quality?

 

[redbox]

I don't think it helps at all with the image. it's one thing to have nice colors it is another to see your reflection in those nice colors.

 

[DasFox]

The Nec site lists it as, "Wide-Format" I guess that's there way of saying "Wide-Screen"?

So do this thing glare back in your face?

I'd hate to deal with reflections in the face.

WaTaGuMp you game on that Samsung? If so, have you seen any ghosting problems, or anything?

Background leakage, bleeding, banding, screendoor effect, and all the other LCD nasties, have you seen anything with this thing, or heard anything from anyone, or anywhere.

I mean let's face it, there is no such thing as the perfect LCD.

ALOHA

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: DasFox
The Nec site lists it as, "Wide-Format" I guess that's there way of saying "Wide-Screen"?

So do this thing glare back in your face?

I'd hate to deal with reflections in the face.

WaTaGuMp you game on that Samsung? If so, have you seen any ghosting problems, or anything?

Background leakage, bleeding, banding, screendoor effect, and all the other LCD nasties, have you seen anything with this thing, or heard anything from anyone, or anywhere.

I mean let's face it, there is no such thing as the perfect LCD.

ALOHA

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Yup I got it for gaming and im very happy with it. There is MINOR bleeding that I ONLY really notice when my screensaver is on and its so minimal that I have yet to see it in games. I have some info over at WS forums also, its below your topic near the bottom.


Link

 

[josh6079]

What is bleeding? Does the liquid leak out of the monitor or something? Are half of the things that are negative sides to LCD's even noticable in games or are they simply seen on monitor "benchmarks"? I kind of have an idea of what "backlight" issues are, but I barely am able to tell when looking at a plain black screen. (Gee, how often do I do that?). I've got an idea of what banding is, colors aren't transitioned smoothly, lines form after each shade and stuff. But I'm still confused as to what "leakage" or "bleeding" is.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: josh6079
What is bleeding? Does the liquid leak out of the monitor or something?

No, it's just that the diffusion film for the backlight isn't 'perfect'.

Are half of the things that are negative sides to LCD's even noticable in games or are they simply seen on monitor "benchmarks"?

In really dark games (Doom 3, FEAR) it may start to get on your nerves, if it's seriously bad. In bright games though, such as Far Cry or Half Life 2, it wouldn't annoy you.

I kind of have an idea of what "backlight" issues are, but I barely am able to tell when looking at a plain black screen. (Gee, how often do I do that?). I've got an idea of what banding is, colors aren't transitioned smoothly, lines form after each shade and stuff. But I'm still confused as to what "leakage" or "bleeding" is.

Light appears uneven on the screen, usually in the corners it is brighter than in the rest of the screen. More backlight is coming through at the corners.

 

[josh6079]

Oh, okay. I played FEAR (its probably one of may all time favorites) and didn't notice anything. Sorry but when you got a little girl who is trying to vaporize you, you tend not to stop and look at the details of the monitor. Seriously though, I know most people think that my monitor is the worst creation since George Bush, but I swear I would have to "train" my eyes to look for those negative qualities. And in most of those dark games, your character is equiped with a flashlight for a reason. I personally wouldn't move in FEAR while my flashlight was charging in a dark area.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Oh, okay. I played FEAR (its probably one of may all time favorites) and didn't notice anything. Sorry but when you got a little girl who is trying to vaporize you, you tend not to stop and look at the details of the monitor. Seriously though, I know most people think that my monitor is the worst creation since George Bush, but I swear I would have to "train" my eyes to look for those negative qualities. And in most of those dark games, your character is equiped with a flashlight for a reason. I personally wouldn't move in FEAR while my flashlight was charging in a dark area.

Do you have the 2005FPW or the 2007WFP?

 

[DasFox]

What's considered the best panels for gaming?

THANKS