23" dell eips good for gaming? 200 bucks

[calvin0416]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...69999&PID=1225267&ViewItem=&item=220720983198


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Don't know what IPS monitors are buy it seems to be the 'in' thing now. I tried wiki but all I got was it has better color representation.

So, what do you guys think?

Anyone know anything about these IPS displays?

 

[Spike]

All I game on are IPS or PVA LCD's. They are great for everything but usually cost a fair but more than TN panels. These ultra's (the 22" is also $199) are great and they come with the same 3 year advanced exhange warranty.

 

[Darkrage]

nice deal, I read or watched a review that for a IPS panel it wasn't to bad for gaming.

 

[SkuLLyRT]

The main thing people like myself like about IPS panels over TN are color reproduction and viewing angles. I used to do a lot of photo work so color reproduction was important to me. Since I've gotten out of that field, the IPS perk left for me is the viewing angle. On a large TN based monitor you can shift your head from side to side and colors on the far end of the monitor will change. On IPS based monitors they won't. If that's important to you, you can't go wrong with the Dell. It's a great monitor with some minor QC issues. I had to exchange one of mine two times because of backlight bleed, but Dell is easy to work with and will keep shipping them out until you're happy.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm

 

[Corporate Thug]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...69999&PID=1225267&ViewItem=&item=220720983198


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Don't know what IPS monitors are buy it seems to be the 'in' thing now. I tried wiki but all I got was it has better color representation.

So, what do you guys think?

Anyone know anything about these IPS displays?

it's not really the "in thing now." it's always been the in thing. In all fairness, TN panels are getting better by the day. Regardless, an e-ips 23 incher for under 200 is a sweet deal.

 

[ss284]

In for one 3x1 eyefinity setup!

You can use mrrebates for $6 cash back.

 

[calvin0416]

Yeah well the viewing angle thing doesn't concern me much because I only use 1 monitor. Games that I play or plan to play doesn't use 3 monitors. I'll probably do it when they do RPGs with 3 monitor setup by then it'll probably be $100.

It's so easy to get stucked with a bunch of LCD monitors. I guess the rule to follow is buy it if you need one.

edit: I think they couldn't make much money off of regular LCD that they need to sell these new tech monitor. Like the digital camera market where even a 15MP became so cheap they had to turn to SLR to up the price.

 

[magomago]

wow i was about to jump in for 2 after sveral hours of deliberation, and it just ended...

that'll teach me to carefully consider my actions next time...

 

[Kaido]

Anyone know how e-IPS compares to like the 23" Viewsonic or NEC?

 

[themodernlife]

IPS panels are really all anyone should buy for computer use if you are coming from a CRT monitor. TN panels are just awful in so many ways that it's quite shameful how it has become the norm for so many years now. If you are going for size anything over 24" is far too expensive in ips, while you can get nice 28" tn monitors for under 250$ typically with 2ms response.

I got the dell u2410 to replace my aging 24" sony fw-900 last year and couldn't be any happier with it. The price is still around 5-600 dollars but you can buy used ones and refurbs for under 400$ if you look around. Often times if you keep an eye out you can find the u2211 on dell site with a coupon that brings the price down dramatically.

 

[killster1]

IPS panels are really all anyone should buy for computer use if you are coming from a CRT monitor. TN panels are just awful in so many ways that it's quite shameful how it has become the norm for so many years now. If you are going for size anything over 24" is far too expensive in ips, while you can get nice 28" tn monitors for under 250$ typically with 2ms response.

I got the dell u2410 to replace my aging 24" sony fw-900 last year and couldn't be any happier with it. The price is still around 5-600 dollars but you can buy used ones and refurbs for under 400$ if you look around. Often times if you keep an eye out you can find the u2211 on dell site with a coupon that brings the price down dramatically.

i own ips mva tn etc, i dont really care about what panel i have or use as im not a big photo editing nut. Everything looks fine to me even a ebay 22" TN westinghouse 50$ lcd. (first lcd i ever bought as i always used 21-24" crt at super high res) Sure good viewing angles is great if you watch movies on the lcd from diff parts of the room. (my mva and ips are used for that) IF you are die hard then worry about it or if you want to waste extra $$ hehe but most people prob are fine with TN 2x28" for less price as ips 600$ lcd

 

[brencat]

IPS panels are really all anyone should buy for computer use if you are coming from a CRT monitor. TN panels are just awful in so many ways that it's quite shameful how it has become the norm for so many years now. If you are going for size anything over 24" is far too expensive in ips, while you can get nice 28" tn monitors for under 250$ typically with 2ms response.

I delayed buying an LCD for years until the BenQ G2400 / V2400 series came out 2 years ago. Had used a top of the line IIYama Vision Master Pro 19" CRT from 1998 - 2009. Ended up buying the V2400W for $305 shipped in Jan 2009 and it has been a wonderful TN panel. No backlight bleed at all and I have it calibrated and looks great. Absolutely no input lag either, as all I play are shooters like BFBC2 and L4D2.

But the real gem is that it is 16:10 aspect vs the shit 16:9 so many panels are today. I can't believe how panel manufacturers have totally chizzled on their offerings. The Dell U2311 is nice but I just can't bring myself to go 16:9... and it would be for my kids by the way. I'm keeping my BenQ.

 

[tracerbullet]

I've been debating between this and the Viewsonic and NEC that supposedly use the same panels. I've been thinking about this for around a month and finally decided on the Dell version. Looked here tonight to see if there may be any Dell deals, and found this. Everyone is likely familiar with the excitement then disappointment I felt over the last couple minutes. Rats!

 

[deepinya]

The only time Id consider a tn panel is if I wanted 120hz. No matter how nice an IPS panel is it wont reproduce the silky smooth 120hz when gaming.

For everything else, IPS all the way.

 

[Modular]

The most experience I have with TN panels are on laptops, and the TN's they have on those things are intolerable.

 

[Stas]

eIPS panels normally have pretty hefty input lag. I would pass, if looking for a gaming monitor. Very good deal otherwise.

 

[MrCoyote]

The only time Id consider a tn panel is if I wanted 120hz. No matter how nice an IPS panel is it wont reproduce the silky smooth 120hz when gaming.

For everything else, IPS all the way.

??? Not even a TN panel will produce 120Hz, unless it is 120Hz panel. 120Hz has nothing to do with being IPS. Also the speed of IPS panels have improved. The 12ms rating is for a full black to white pixel response. TN panels are rated GTG, which is why you see the silly 2ms ratings which don't mean squat.

 

[deepinya]

uhh yeah I was referring to 120hz TN panels. I would never consider a 60hz TN panel even for just web surfing.


120hz TN: sucks for color but great for gaming
60hz IPS: great colors but sucks for gaming

 

[magomago]

uhh yeah I was referring to 120hz TN panels. I would never consider a 60hz TN panel even for just web surfing.


120hz TN: sucks for color but great for gaming
60hz IPS: great colors but sucks for gaming

We'll see. I bit on the 21.5" version of this screen (had to think about it for a while...wait for the next 23" deal, or just go to 21.5" but I think i was okay because (a) high pixel density and (b) i run duals anyways) so we'll see how it does for gaming. I'll post an update when i get a chance to setup and play the games I'm used to

 

[CurseTheSky]

Lots of misinformation in this thread.

IPS panels generally are in the middle for input lag. TN panels tend to be faster (though not by a ton), and PVA/MVA panels tend to be quite a bit slower. As long as the monitor itself (and it truly is a case-by-case basis) doesn't have a lot of pre-processing done on the image, input lag on a IPS monitor should be a non-issue for gaming. Some monitors (or TVs) have a "game mode" just for this reason - it eliminates a lot of the pre-processing and gives you lower input lag. IPS monitors without "game mode" aren't necessarily worse - you'll have to read up on the specs and reviews to determine what the normal input lag is. Generally anything under 15-20ms shouldn't be a problem.

I game on my e-IPS NEC EA231WMi all the time and I notice absolutely no issues compared to a TN panel monitor. My Dell 2408WFP with it's S-PVA panel, on the other hand, gave me all kinds of trouble, to the point where I almost gave up on FPS games until I realized the monitor was the problem.

 

[llmercll]

^ Absolutely, I have no issues playing fps games on my u2331h.

Even when using one, moderately sized TN, the gamma shift drives me crazy. With no gamma shift and very accurate colors, IPS is my display of choice. ONLY weakness is the glow.

I hope they eventually replace TN's altogether as the "mainstream" =)


Just beware with these U2331H's. Some suffer from tinting issues (ie one side of the screen is slightly pink, or green)

 

[magomago]

^ Absolutely, I have no issues playing fps games on my u2331h.

Even when using one, moderately sized TN, the gamma shift drives me crazy. With no gamma shift and very accurate colors, IPS is my display of choice. ONLY weakness is the glow.

I hope they eventually replace TN's altogether as the "mainstream" =)


Just beware with these U2331H's. Some suffer from tinting issues (ie one side of the screen is slightly pink, or green)

Nice - you got the monitor whose deal i initially missed out on haha

I realized that the stuff I read online seemed to suggest that these two monitors, the 21.5 and 23 inch versions, were okay for games. I even came across a review that said "they are kinda slow though, not really for gamers. Two years ago, they would have been fast compared to TN panels, but not today". I laughed and told myself, "Well if that is the case I'm fine as I played many FPS on my 6-7 year old TN panels without any lag so i'm okay!"
But I chose not to say anything, because i know personal experience trumps any guesses/theories

 

[deepinya]

Now if someone can make a 120hz panel with IPS color reproduction/viewing angles Ill be in love.

 

[kmmatney]

Lots of misinformation in this thread.

IPS panels generally are in the middle for input lag. TN panels tend to be faster (though not by a ton), and PVA/MVA panels tend to be quite a bit slower. As long as the monitor itself (and it truly is a case-by-case basis) doesn't have a lot of pre-processing done on the image, input lag on a IPS monitor should be a non-issue for gaming. Some monitors (or TVs) have a "game mode" just for this reason - it eliminates a lot of the pre-processing and gives you lower input lag. IPS monitors without "game mode" aren't necessarily worse - you'll have to read up on the specs and reviews to determine what the normal input lag is. Generally anything under 15-20ms shouldn't be a problem.

I game on my e-IPS NEC EA231WMi all the time and I notice absolutely no issues compared to a TN panel monitor. My Dell 2408WFP with it's S-PVA panel, on the other hand, gave me all kinds of trouble, to the point where I almost gave up on FPS games until I realized the monitor was the problem.

I also own the NEC EA231WMi, along with a Soyo Topaz 24", and a few TN LCDs. The Soyo is an MVA display, but I find it much better than the NEC, with a better picture, less back-light bleed, and no difference in input lag. The biggest issue I have with this display is just how small a 1080P monitor looks, compared to a 24" 1920 x 1200 display. It's too bad we;ve gone backwards over the last few years in this regard.

 

[Pollock]

So sad I missed this!