233 Killed In Iraq; Baghdad 'Security Net' Penetrated

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I wonder if Bush feels anything when hears about this if he hears about it at all.

.. prepares to get beat on by the Bush security force of ATOT.

I'm sure he cringes..... he's smart enough to know that some asshole reporter is going to ask hoim about it.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: blackangst1
And another of my favorites http://bootsonground.blogspot.com/

Here are some quotes, from your 'favorite':

The New Iraq?
100+ people kidnapped in broad day light from the Ministry of Higher Education and Scientific Research. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. This is just so outrageous. Someone needs to do something about this, the situation is TOTALLY out of control. I am so furious about this, is this the kind of crap me and my close buddies put our lives on the line for!? I've lost some of my best friends over there, actually doing their job trying to help the situation get better and this is what all our tears, sweat and blood has gone into? We can defeat any conventional army on the earth, but we can't even stop these militias from pulling these kinds of stunts. The jig is up, it has gotten to the point to where our troops cannot improve the situation anymore by staying there. Hats off to Donald Rumsfeld for completely stealing defeat from the jaws of victory. I feel very depressed for the Iraqi people who have to endure such hard times. Even their own government (Interior Ministry) is deep in this. I can't believe how bad things have gotten, this is just incomprehensible. I think it is time to pull our troops out, they're doing the best damn job they can, but it is incompetence all the way to the top and our presence does not improve things at all.

blackangst1, it seems you are secretly a Bush-basher in disguise, no? Your 'favorite' soldier in Iraq certainly is.

You have constantly railed against people who even suggest "pulling out" in other threads. Is your next move going to be calling out this traitorous soldier?

Well, Im really a prez basher at all. There are things I loved about Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush part II, and things I dont. I just so happen to support the REASONS we went to war (to bring democracy to Iraq). Im also realistic enough to know form history it will take a decade or more, and all this sh1t bashing doesnt help anyone, including soldiers. *shrug* But its only MHO.

Also I have never, nor will ever, suggest pulling out.

Utter nonsense. Bringing "democracy" to Iraq was NOT the reason Bush invaded Iraq. The "democracy" song and dance was the lipstick the Bush administration reached for AFTER the invasion as a host of other rationalizations failed to stick on that particular pig.

Fact: regime change is illegal under international AND therefore US law. Fact: Bush did not have UN approval for his invasion. If Bush in fact did invade in order to bring regime change then he is a criminal under international law. As international law us the Supreme Law of the land in the US that would make Bush a criminal, no? Now who in their right mind supports a criminal murderous enterprise?


Bush administration has used 27 rationals for war in Iraq

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Don't waste your time with him.. he trolls all day with that nonsense. Let's bring democracy to the whole world! Let's start with Iran, NK, and Sudan, ok?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

It would seem that freedom even with the death and chaos it has brought is far more enjoyable than living under the oppression of Saddam.

Death and Chaos is enjoyable?? Limbaugh been sharing his secret stash with you?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

It would seem that freedom even with the death and chaos it has brought is far more enjoyable than living under the oppression of Saddam.

Death and Chaos is enjoyable?? Limbaugh been sharing his secret stash with you?

Dude, he is right, 30-200 people dieing daily much better than the oppression of Saddam!

 

[blackangst1]

Don't waste your time with him.. he trolls all day with that nonsense. Let's bring democracy to the whole world! Let's start with Iran, NK, and Sudan, ok?[/quote]

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Excuse me? Troll? WTF are you talking about? Often I provide linkage and valid arguments for my point of view...unlike so many who just spew emotional responses...I try to be fair by doing so. Just because you disagree with me doesnt make me a troll. Sheesh.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excuse me? Troll? WTF are you talking about? Often I provide linkage and valid arguments for my point of view...unlike so many who just spew emotional responses...I try to be fair by doing so. Just because you disagree with me doesnt make me a troll. Sheesh.

You defined yourself as a troll with your earlier comment. Your words, not ours.

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I just occasionally like to poke sticks at the passionate hacks here. Why come here then? Cuz I love to watch trainwrecks

 

[M00T]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excuse me? Troll? WTF are you talking about? Often I provide linkage and valid arguments for my point of view...unlike so many who just spew emotional responses...I try to be fair by doing so. Just because you disagree with me doesnt make me a troll. Sheesh.

You defined yourself as a troll with your earlier comment. Your words, not ours.

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I just occasionally like to poke sticks at the passionate hacks here. Why come here then? Cuz I love to watch trainwrecks

Cue doublespeak or a dodge of the accusation in 4... 3... 2...

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: M00T

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Excuse me? Troll? WTF are you talking about? Often I provide linkage and valid arguments for my point of view...unlike so many who just spew emotional responses...I try to be fair by doing so. Just because you disagree with me doesnt make me a troll. Sheesh.

You defined yourself as a troll with your earlier comment. Your words, not ours.

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I just occasionally like to poke sticks at the passionate hacks here. Why come here then? Cuz I love to watch trainwrecks

Cue doublespeak or a dodge of the accusation in 4... 3... 2...

Gee, I guess you guys don't know what the meaning of the word "occasionally" is. Who here doesn't "occasionally" bait someone? Does that mean that they "troll all day"?

 

[M00T]

Originally posted by: JD50 04/19/2007 04:18 PM

Originally posted by: M00T 04/19/2007 04:11 PM

Cue doublespeak or a dodge of the accusation in 4... 3... 2...

Gee, I guess you guys don't know what the meaning of the word "occasionally" is. Who here doesn't "occasionally" bait someone? Does that mean that they "troll all day"?

7 minutes.

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: blackangst1
haha Ive said in other threads there are plenty of good news stories out there - including soldier's blogs. Why post em here though? To intentionally get flamed? lol you will think what you want...what the h3ll is a hack like me gonna do to change your mind? Thats right-nothing *shrug*

Why post here at all then?

Just admit there's no good news worth posting.

What could a soldier possibly do that would be more important than the lives being lost daily in tragedies like this? If you're a person who believes human life should be valued above all else, then the answer is: nothing.

Wow. I think you may be more of a tool than Dave...almost feel sorry for you

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not trying to ruin this thread or get involved in a heated discussion.. I wasted enough of my day doing that.

but I have a question...

After the fall of Saddam, what has been the biggest news headline that has been positive in favor of the Iraqi people?

I think the problem is this: We read headlines the news outlets decide to give us. Period. And because of today's saturation of news, we settle back and think between two or three news sources we know the whole story. Thats our own naivity. The other problem is when someone DOES post something positive, it's immediately attacked as being reported by <insert your favorite hated news source here> almost as if the good news stories are faked. What a shame. You attack the messenger, but wont acknowledge the source.

Such is the way with sheeple.

Ha you compare some one to Dave then in the very next post you use one of Dave's trademark -isms... sheeple.

Priceless

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I just so happen to support the REASONS we went to war (to bring democracy to Iraq). Im also realistic enough to know form history it will take a decade or more, and all this sh1t bashing doesnt help anyone, including soldiers. *shrug* But its only MHO.

If you were realistic you would realize that history shows us that nation rebuilding is very prone to failure and that there is no way in hell christians are going to be able to solve the sunni shia conflict.

Very prone? I suppose. But unlike our attempts in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Guatemala to name a few, Japan, Vietnam, Turkey (with UK also) to some extent after their acceptance into NATO, and South Korea are excellent examples of it WORKING. The great thing is, although all these countries are democracies of one flavor or another, they are NOT molded after the US of A. They built it from a framework we helped with.

Wait Vietnam and Cuba democracies ? What planet are you living on?

 

[Steeplerot]

Blackie, you may want to get a refresher on the history Cuba and Castro. Fidel - The Untold Story

 

[Aimster]

my friend who served in Iraq just sent out this Myspace Bulletin. :

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I was looking at the yahoo homepage I started to think about what the entire country is focused on.

Granted the tragedy at VA TECH is horrible. I feel bad for the families and students who have to deal with all of this. Its a shame. But it made me think...

This kind of violence happens EVERYDAY in Iraq.
Marines, Soldiers and Sailors are dying everyday!
Innocent Iraqi civilians die by the dozens all the time.

Its funny how the world stops turning when American college students are gunned down. But its just another day when a Marine dies to save another. Or a soldier dies to save an innocent Iraqi. Or a Navy Corpsman dies trying to help save the lives of his fellow Marines in combat.

ONCE AGAIN: I feel nothing short of heartfelt sympathy and my prayers go out to those involved with the VA TECH tragedy.

BUT! April 18th, 2007 in Iraq: 4 Large Bombs Kill 183 in Baghdad.
ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE!
That's not the whole country - That is ONE CITY in the SAME DAY!


So just for a change of media attention, and for the sake of recognizing true sacrifice, take a minute to consider how lucky you are right now to be sitting on your computer in peace. And not have to worry about bullets or bomb shrapnel whizzing over your head.

Freedom isn't free.
NEVER forget that someone else is paying YOUR share!
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[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Freedom isn't free.
NEVER forget that someone else is paying YOUR share!

I agree with everything your friend said, except that last little bit.

Although I can't blame him; a strong military runs on indoctrination.